i havent said anything like that. but u guys are the ones expecting **** like that. out of no where ur just like 07 will whoop it easily omg.

get a life. this threads just about why i beat one. ur car is all u have

 

It's so interesting that all the '07 owners are saying their cars will beat all previous and I haven't seen a single timeslip yet with proof of the car seen running that time. At the track I go to it surely isn't the case. Maybe the '07 drivers I've seen can't drive but, until I see it or, see it proof positive; something smells.

I call

Prove it at the track. Rag or Street racing means nothing. Too many variables.

It also funny that the 07 drivers are saying why fight about it? Then say Oh, and my car is better than all other years to fuel the fire. That one crack my up. I was ROTFLMAF

 

I went to the track my 04 vs an 07 from my club. I hooked a helluva alot better off the line pulled better 60 fts by far. 2.0 -2.1, He was pulling 2.3-2.4 in his 07, he barely got the car so he was having trouble launching, but after we were rolling he could shift.

6 speed to 6 speed. My 60 ft jumped me a head then we came neck and neck till about mid track, thats when that thing pulled like a rabid gorilla, after we hit the mid point his car walked away, we finished the quarter mile with me having full view of his license plate.

07's have better powerband period. It was as close to stock vs stock as you could get as I had uninstalled all of my power adders. If you want to roll with the 07's you need mods, and you need to hook.

 

HUH?

So you're saying the 07 is not the fastest of the 350s?

car magazine times
more HP under the NEW SAE ratings
some guy posting 13.1
some impressive dynos

what more do you need? maybe you should take off the butt hurt blanket and see the light.

what more do you need?

 

We are talking stock to stock ....

Do you have picts or video. I'd like to see that one. It's not that way it is at our track. Maybe he powershifted you? BTW a lighten flywheel is suppose to make a worse holeshot and allow you to rev faster down track or, on a road course where you are moving and want to rev up fast. Heavier flywheel gains you momentum on a drag strip generally. How did you pull that off? Your not stock so.... I still call BS. Still too many varibles.

I see 1.7 04.5 launches. Another point that your holeshot as good as it is has been compromised.
You need to work on that a bit. You actually may have slowed your car down with your mods for the drag. But, on the road course you set up is good.

 

Your not serious are you? Show me a 1.7 60ft on street tires with 04.5 stock, seriously I don't even think the new 07's have done that. You need to show me some timeslips and videos for that, especially since not one stock car on our boards has hit 1.7 60ft on street tires, unless the guys you roll with are Vin Diesel and Paul Walker, I call BS.

The flywheel dropping rpms doesnt matter so much when your powershifting either, while also reducing weight on places that count. Also explain how a lightened flywheel will kill my launch, you slip the clutch. Seeing as 2.0's aren't by any means slow on street tires.

I forgot to mention that I also powershifted while racing, though to my advantage by that time I had my JWT Clutch and and lightened flywheel in, so in his defense I wasn't exactly stock. I will have to dig through my cup-o-time slips.

Equal driver to equal drivers their cars are putting down stock what we put down with practically full bolt ons. Kicking out 2.0-2.1 60 fts I was by no means going easy on the car...trust me, I would like to prove that our old DE's are more then a match for the HR's but, that's how technology works.

You act as though 04.5's are more then a match for an HR in stock trim, they aren't. If you want truth, compare their dyno's, more power and better powerband in the same vehicle usually = a win with equal drivers. On top of that your looking for perfect conditions, that just won't happen.

The whole point that your also missing...he had a worse 60 ft then me and I got the jump on him by about a half a car if not more.

 

so by that logic, i guess all guys who buy Vipers drive around gassing it all the time?

just because i added a few ponies to the car doesn't mean that every time i go out, i am flooring it. i drive my car like a normal 28 year old male who is passed his days of "boy racer, look at me".

do i enjoy the car on occasion? yes. but 99% of the time i drive it nice, shifting between 3-4k, gas ain't cheap.

jim

 

Once again .... your not stock .... and now it sound like he wasn't. I see if I can look up something on why the lighter flywheel is supposed to be worse for launches. One of the big reasons I don't go that way with my drag car. I'll also see if I can get the owner to repost the timeslip. Sorry, we didn't get it on video. But, a lot of z club members present. On DOT tires.
Every pro racer I know tells me you don't use lightened flywheels for a drag car. I wanted one so bad to help me rev quicker. They say reduce rotational mass and balance the motor, use rev kits etc.....

I'll see if I can find the timeslip the guy posted it a last year after we saw it done. There are witnesses... ;-)

Never said 04 would beat a 07 just that your test was flawed and you might have compromised you results and performance with your mods for a drag track. On a road course your truely going to have an advantage over that '07.

I just want to see a stock to stock race with two good drivers then have them trade and see what happens.

Let I said I guess the '07 drivers we have seen don't know how to drive then. Dunno yet....

 

lulz..........like a CANNIBAL! attack the credibility of a fellow "non-07 owner"?

geez, the guy just told a story and you're all butthurt. i guess when the next Z model comes out, i get to act like a jackass because it's faster huh?

jim

 

Not worried just said I haven't seen it yet and he was running a flawed stk to stk test. I actually think the '07 are faster stk to stk but, his post doesn't prove it.

View post #128 when I confirmed my belief for a second time. Now this is a third. It just seems funny that the '07 drivers are fueling the fire.

Ease up on your insults ....

 

Your gonna need more the testimonial to prove that, you need video and slips. You realize the best drag racers on this board nationally have never gotten a 1.7 60ft? Audible Mayhem with a 15 compression motor and full slicks got a 1.7 60ft, and your telling me this guy got that on street tires? Again BS.
So this nameless guy needs to post up his info, because apparently he can school the best of us.

The whole point even with modifications, it pummeled me. He had more power up top, thats what happens when they have more RPM and more useable power, and just more power in general. I had the better launch and the jump, and he walked me, not much more to the story then that.

I think Veetec, Jeremy, Alberto, or someone needs to set you straight on things.

 

If you want a super accurate comparison.
Same driver, cars both stock. Arguably currently the best stock driver on our board, at least no one has knocked him off his number one spot yet.

4. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft Verified

1. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.354@103.69mph 1.958 60ft Verified

 

if you are then agreeing that the 07, stock for stock, is faster..........why are you busting his stones over this? it wasn't a flawed test, he never said it was stock vs stock. he said CLOSE TO stock.

as for the insults, i never actually called you any names. if the shoe fits, wear it and if you think you are acting like a jackass, that's on you.

bottom line, i love all Zs. auto, MT, coupe, roadsters, 03 to 07. as technology improves, cars in this category get faster (for the most part) and handle better. doesn't make the cars that came before it any worse. i just don't get why 03-06 owners seem to have to justify themselves and get all defensive about the 07s.

jim

 

BTW - I'm not harping on your 2.0. I'm lucky to get a 1.9 myself.


Now the drag car is different story.....

 

Where does he say close to stock. I might have missed that in another post in the 7-8 pages. He actually says his friend has NISMO exhaust and he forgets to tell us his car isn't stock we have to read that in his sig.

 

well i was actually referring to oro and your last couple posts to him. but if you want to get technical, the OP mentioned his intake in the first sentence of his first post.

jim

 

Nah, jim I was refering to your post stating he said close to stock. I see your point. Intake isn't what I'm talking about. It's the wheels, lightened flywheel, JWT clutch, and all that stuff that he DOESN't mention in the post and you only see in his sig. No were near close to stock. I hear it all the time "Ah, I only have an intake and then you find out later all the mod they really have. Lol !!! That cracks me up.
Those are some major mods guys. What at least $4K in mods?

For those of you wanting to know more about lightened flywheels ... I repost this from the web:

Lightening

"A common sight on modified Type 1 engines is a lightened flywheel. Lightened flywheels are usually used on cars used for drag racing (I'll give you this) or for road racing. Most street engines would be better off with the stock weight to retain long bearing life and higher gas mileage.

Lightening a flywheel decreases the rotating mass of the crank assembly, and results in fast acceleration. Of course, less momentum is stored as a result,(This is why I am told it is bad for a drag car) and it results in fast rpm drops when you make off the flywheel. This will also result in decreased fuel mileage, so knowing how you are going to drive your car will be best determining if lightening is for you.

Commonly, a lightened flywheel weighs anywhere from 12-13 lbs; any less than this and the engine suffers with bearing failure. It's is important to remove the weight from the outer edge of the flywheel, closest to the starter gear. If you remove too much weight from behind the clutch surface closer to the center, flywheel warpage can result."

If this doesn't prove my point that he might have compromised his car on a drag strip.... I give up. ;-)

Enjoy the ride....

 

The point of me getting a lightened flywheel was that my clutch and flywheel were shot. The wheels and tires I had originally were also bald. I think your putting way too much emphasis on the flywheel. I could see if I was turbo'd RPM's drop boost goes to crap, hence why most Supra guys keep the stock flywheels.

This isn't that extreme of an application, also seeing as I did in fact powershift, how many RPM do you think the I actually dropped while powershifting? Powershifting is by no means a slow clutch engagement.
Also with the lightenined flywheel when you back out of the gas your RPM stays up for a second before dropping, almost like it is spinning fast enough that it has to lose its momentum to then drop, powershifting doesn't really allow it to drop in that time.

If anything my wheels and tires may have helped me hook better which put me in better shape against the 07...yet I still lost...which is the point im trying to make.

 

It actually not the rpms. It's the momentum and hitting weight you lose.
Your front tires are wider and will cause more friction going down the track. Wider tires can ballon on take off and we don't know if you were at the right pressure on the rears.

I know I'll never convince you. Someday we'll have to meet on a track so I can show you.











It's now obvious you don't believe me .... I'm done here.

 

Z. Enjoy the ride ....