do not purchase from kayfunk
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Originally Posted by ComBat
KramyKram, you know for a fact that he WILL NOT refund your money. Don't ask that scamming fool for your money any more cause it sounds that you are begging for your cash. I know what he did is absolute bullcrap. Let Visa handle the situation. Plus, there's seven pages of HARD facts about his responds and reactions about the situation. His day will come boss. His day will come.
Originally Posted by ComBat
Kayfunk, I think every 350Z owner in the United States knows what a great scammer you are. There's a lot of us watching each other's back. I wouldn't be surprised if you find your car on bricks.
Seriously man, stop the thugging, pay the guy back and apologize for being a douche bag. You insulted 90% of the 350z community, scammed a member, and acted like you're all tough. Tell you what, if you could say this IN PERSON - AT AN ATL MEET, then I'll tell you you're tough. Shoot I sure hope someone got a camera because I'd love to see you calling everyone out IN PERSON that they're idiots.
Alright tough guy?!
Originally Posted by AlvinHuyN
This would NEVER happen! Why would anyone wanna steal his Foose wheels or whatever he has on there anyway. This guy is so ****ing cheap - probly why he's scamming Kramy out of the $700 anyway.
Hope it all works out in the end for you kramy. It's just horrible how people try and get away with stuff like this.
Originally Posted by kayfuNk
Money spent? It's a $1400 exhaust, brand new, without shipping and install. He paid $700 that's less than half with no install charge and im offering to fix the small damages.
Last edited by jmunzing; Feb 2, 2008 at 11:50 PM.
Originally Posted by kayfuNk
Noted. But as previously stated, the only time that exhaust has ever been off my car was when it was taken off for Kramy. I never saw it. If i were to ship it to someone or someone had asked for pictures before buying i would have ablidged and let them know the condition. Kramy came the day after i put it up for sale and took it from me, he urged that wens was his only day off and he wanted to come pick it up then, i even said a later date would be better due to me having work and it would be hard to work out. But if he came early i could make it happen. I'm not going to say i have no fault here because in the same aspect i too should have looked at it. The way the transaction was made makes me look dishonest and as if he got ripped, when in reality this is not the case.
Last edited by invazn; Feb 3, 2008 at 12:41 AM.
Originally Posted by AlvinHuyN
This would NEVER happen! Why would anyone wanna steal his Foose wheels or whatever he has on there anyway. This guy is so ****ing cheap - probly why he's scamming Kramy out of the $700 anyway.
Seriously man, stop the thugging, pay the guy back and apologize for being a douche bag. You insulted 90% of the 350z community, scammed a member, and acted like you're all tough. Tell you what, if you could say this IN PERSON - AT AN ATL MEET, then I'll tell you you're tough. Shoot I sure hope someone got a camera because I'd love to see you calling everyone out IN PERSON that they're idiots.
Alright tough guy?!
Seriously man, stop the thugging, pay the guy back and apologize for being a douche bag. You insulted 90% of the 350z community, scammed a member, and acted like you're all tough. Tell you what, if you could say this IN PERSON - AT AN ATL MEET, then I'll tell you you're tough. Shoot I sure hope someone got a camera because I'd love to see you calling everyone out IN PERSON that they're idiots.
Alright tough guy?!
Ban that poon.. He's an idiot...
Okay, after reading alllll the posts on this I think there's one thing that's important that was not mentioned.
I understand he should have looked at the exhaust after it was taken off prior to buying...of course, only if indeed he was allowed back there and wasn't told to stay in the waiting room (not being allowed in the back is the general rule for all car shops due to insurance so it's not out of the ordinary to be told not to).
Even with all that being true or not, what's got me puzzled is YOU being the seller who has repeatedly claimed you never saw the exhaust, didn't bother to look yourself at the exhaust once it came off!? Shouldn't you actually have been the first to inspect it since you knowingly were selling it without having ever seen it until that day?
If I read correctly from your other post your friend took the exhaust off your car and installed the new one on to yours right? So you had just as much chance to inspect it as well, which you should have done.
You are just as much to blame as he is for not inspecting the exhaust, if not more since you were the one selling it and were the one who SOLD it prior to inspection. I know in one post you admit to being in just as much fault for not checking it either and that you called him the idiot for not checking....but in my opinion the importance on inspecting fell greater in you doing it. That's like a chef sending out a dish and disregarding the dead rat in it and having the customer eat through it until finally discovering the rat....guess who usually wins when that happens?
The fact that you admit you should have inspected it as well means, right there, at that admittal, you should refund, regardless of what he's done in thread's on here about your character. I am sure, using that same chef/rat example that you would have made a scene at the restaurant if you were the customer and continue it even after getting a refund...and then I am sure you would have gone and told all your friend's NEVER to eat there again...regardless of the restaurant trying to do what's right after the mistake. Well, the buyer is in that position as well. So, in my opinion, your stance on "principle" just can't really hold as an argument.
I'm really not trying to take side's but with my parent's owning a restaurant for 15+ years and myself being in the mortgage business this is a classic example where the customer has every right to argue, *****, moan, and provide negative feedback. To me, it seems more like you are being hard headed. I see where you think offering to pay for the "fixes" as being nice, but again, that's like telling the customer who ate the dish with a rat that you'd be more than happy to take the rat out of the dish and re-heat the remaining food and do nothing more since he should have seen the rat prior to eating.
Also, I do think at least one refund is in order as you allegedly took care of the installation for him when you said you left $50 for your friend, but it appears the buyer still paid another $50 out of his pocket once it was completed. Unless him not hvaing to pay like I read in a post wasn't actually part of the agreement.
I understand he should have looked at the exhaust after it was taken off prior to buying...of course, only if indeed he was allowed back there and wasn't told to stay in the waiting room (not being allowed in the back is the general rule for all car shops due to insurance so it's not out of the ordinary to be told not to).
Even with all that being true or not, what's got me puzzled is YOU being the seller who has repeatedly claimed you never saw the exhaust, didn't bother to look yourself at the exhaust once it came off!? Shouldn't you actually have been the first to inspect it since you knowingly were selling it without having ever seen it until that day?
If I read correctly from your other post your friend took the exhaust off your car and installed the new one on to yours right? So you had just as much chance to inspect it as well, which you should have done.
You are just as much to blame as he is for not inspecting the exhaust, if not more since you were the one selling it and were the one who SOLD it prior to inspection. I know in one post you admit to being in just as much fault for not checking it either and that you called him the idiot for not checking....but in my opinion the importance on inspecting fell greater in you doing it. That's like a chef sending out a dish and disregarding the dead rat in it and having the customer eat through it until finally discovering the rat....guess who usually wins when that happens?
The fact that you admit you should have inspected it as well means, right there, at that admittal, you should refund, regardless of what he's done in thread's on here about your character. I am sure, using that same chef/rat example that you would have made a scene at the restaurant if you were the customer and continue it even after getting a refund...and then I am sure you would have gone and told all your friend's NEVER to eat there again...regardless of the restaurant trying to do what's right after the mistake. Well, the buyer is in that position as well. So, in my opinion, your stance on "principle" just can't really hold as an argument.
I'm really not trying to take side's but with my parent's owning a restaurant for 15+ years and myself being in the mortgage business this is a classic example where the customer has every right to argue, *****, moan, and provide negative feedback. To me, it seems more like you are being hard headed. I see where you think offering to pay for the "fixes" as being nice, but again, that's like telling the customer who ate the dish with a rat that you'd be more than happy to take the rat out of the dish and re-heat the remaining food and do nothing more since he should have seen the rat prior to eating.
Also, I do think at least one refund is in order as you allegedly took care of the installation for him when you said you left $50 for your friend, but it appears the buyer still paid another $50 out of his pocket once it was completed. Unless him not hvaing to pay like I read in a post wasn't actually part of the agreement.
Last edited by thanh27; Feb 3, 2008 at 02:57 AM.
P.S. COme on man, let's just keep it real you are obviously either hard headed or just might not have the money to refund because your stance on not refunding because he is trying to ruin your reputation just doesn't cut it. From the time he opened this thread only 3 people responded before yours and none bashed you (and in the link for the thread that he's selling you were actually the first response once he said he was no longer selling it). At the moment of your first post you easily could have apologized, let him know he was also wrong for not checking, and that you would be more than glad to refund it....upon doing that, do you really think you would have lost all respect on here? I think not, in fact you probably would have gained it.
Sure he made an initial statement that was pretty harsh, but anyone would have with what he discovered. BUT Kramykram obviously would have stopped right there and would have probably thanked you publicly for the refund and for being an HONEST seller...and it all would ahve stopped right there. Instead it's now gotten to this point where you truly are being labeled the red headed step child when you could have avoided it, easily.
Sure he made an initial statement that was pretty harsh, but anyone would have with what he discovered. BUT Kramykram obviously would have stopped right there and would have probably thanked you publicly for the refund and for being an HONEST seller...and it all would ahve stopped right there. Instead it's now gotten to this point where you truly are being labeled the red headed step child when you could have avoided it, easily.
Regardless who screwed up where, you should refund his money. You should be the better person, even if it was him who screwed up.
I dont know who screwed up, don't care who screwed up.
All I care about is this issue getting resolved.
Not taking sides as I don't know either one.
Kramykram, if you ****ed up, please don't cheat him out of his money.
I dont know who screwed up, don't care who screwed up.
All I care about is this issue getting resolved.
Not taking sides as I don't know either one.
Kramykram, if you ****ed up, please don't cheat him out of his money.
Originally Posted by kayfuNk
It is cosmetic, it can be welded and fixed. Thus making no leak. I know what a flange does. I'm being as decent as possible and offering to fix it. If i was in his position i'd take the money get it fixed and run the exhaust i bought. If anything i'd be beating myself up for being negligent and not checking **** out before i bought it.
Because with your logic, a simple weld should do the trick. Your logic is completly jacked. As stated before, there are many who live near you, and ALL have chimed in on the road conditions. Unless your fukcing driveway is 45 degrees, there is no way simply "bottoming out" could mangle an exhaust like the piece of sh*t you sold.
As far as the facts are concerned, it seems more than likely that your piece of sh*t mechanic told him to stay out of the area due to insurance reasons, and maybe even because he knew you were scamming him. Either way, you being the seller, you should have inspected the exhaust before putting it on. I simply cannot see where your argument of "principle" lies. If 700 dollars truly is nothing to you, than take back your POS exhaust, and refund him the money.
If anything, this idea of "principle" should have been brought up when your P.O.S mechanic charged him another 50 dollars for installation, when you "supposedly" already paid him. Sounds like a P.O.S mechanic that I've dealt with in the past.
Since your reputation is already tarnished, I don't really see the point in refunding the money because you are already a douche bag regardless.
To the OP, let VISA take care of the money situation. I'm sorry that there are people in the world like this, but it is what it is. I hope you get your money back soon.
Also, Kayfunk, for someone who claims to have "clients" etc. (i'm assuming you have to be pretty smart or successful to have "clients", I guess I was wrong), the correct way to say "I never said he wasn't aloud to go in the installation area," it's allowed you piece of sh*t.
Oh yea, in your not so TEASER thread you started when you got your v2 bumper, with the holes in it etc, you told me coilovers were in the works. For the love of god, don't get any sorta suspension mods. If anything, LIFT your Z. God knows what will happen to that HKS exhaust after you drop it...
P.S. Your new rims don't look any better than the stock poser timeattacks you had before. Just FYI
Last edited by Allen331; Feb 3, 2008 at 03:37 AM.
Guys lay off of Kayfunk... he's just a poor scumbag that needs to profit off of scams like this. Luckily the OP was smart enough to at least pay by his credit card. I would've called my CC a few days ago instead of disputing it through paypal. Who knows what falsified info the seller will be submitting...
^credit card requires you to go through paypal first, since their service was used. If paypal doesnt get the money or 30 days go by, then the cc company will get the money
It's a process.
It's a process.
