EOI: Titanium Brake Shims for OEM Akebono (Sport) Brakes
12-22-2009, 04:48 PM
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EOI: Titanium Brake Shims for OEM Akebono (Sport) Brakes
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After coming across this...
after a track session with the Akebono brakes I've been thinking that to keep heat out of the caliper could be through Titanium brake shims.
Version for the OEM 350Z/G35 Bembos:
Titanium is a poor conductor of heat and relatively lightweight given its strength. It is an ideal substance to use for this application.
Z1Auto (manufacturer of the above shims) will consider making these for the Akebono brakes if there is sufficient demand. Therefore, I'm posting this on G37/370Z related webistes to gauge interest only.
I'm doing the Akebono upgrade on my 350Z and hope that a product like this will assist other 350Z/370Z/G37 owners.
After coming across this...
after a track session with the Akebono brakes I've been thinking that to keep heat out of the caliper could be through Titanium brake shims.
Version for the OEM 350Z/G35 Bembos:
Made of 1mm thick titanium, these are a simple and effective way of keeping heat in the rotor where it belongs, and away from the seals in the caliper, as well as away from the fluid. This leads to increased component life (you track guys know how finicky the stock seals can be!), and more consistent performance. Sold in sets of 4 (enough for your front calipers).
Z1Auto (manufacturer of the above shims) will consider making these for the Akebono brakes if there is sufficient demand. Therefore, I'm posting this on G37/370Z related webistes to gauge interest only.
I'm doing the Akebono upgrade on my 350Z and hope that a product like this will assist other 350Z/370Z/G37 owners.
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12-22-2009, 05:12 PM
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Rough pricing would be around US$100 (the 350Z Brembo versions goes for that price) depending on the amount of material required. That is for 4 to do the front.
Rears can also be done for similar price I believe.
Rears can also be done for similar price I believe.
12-22-2009, 09:45 PM
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I have been running a pair from TiSpeed for a few years now. Maybe they can help.
http://tispeed.com/
http://tispeed.com/
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03-06-2010, 05:35 AM
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here is what i got from carbotech ....
DON'T USE THIS PRODUCT!
That's my official warning against the titanium shims. No "true racing" brake system in the world comes with these shims, as they claim. The truth of the matter is, these create more heat, not less. The titanium shims don't allow the heat to dissipate as it should from the pads and that creates more heat. It can and will overheat your rotors, causing them to warp, and the boots on the caliper can melt as well. If you want to reduce the temp of the caliper, spindle and thus the fluid, run air ducts to the brakes, caliper and rotor. A good 3" or 4" line from the front of the car back would be adequate, there are kits available for about what the shims would cost you.
Put in a high performance fluid like the ATE Super Blue or Gold, the Brembo LCF600, Motul RBF600 or the Castrol SRF (best stuff in the world) and run the ducts and you will be fine. Have you added stainless flexible lines? I would highly suggest doing that as well. We have the Goodridge Racing lines, not the street lines (like you see at Tire Rack) in stock for the 350Z right now, we have all of the fluid in stock as well.
Thanks,
Mike Jr.
and this is why i had this question ...
DON'T USE THIS PRODUCT!
That's my official warning against the titanium shims. No "true racing" brake system in the world comes with these shims, as they claim. The truth of the matter is, these create more heat, not less. The titanium shims don't allow the heat to dissipate as it should from the pads and that creates more heat. It can and will overheat your rotors, causing them to warp, and the boots on the caliper can melt as well. If you want to reduce the temp of the caliper, spindle and thus the fluid, run air ducts to the brakes, caliper and rotor. A good 3" or 4" line from the front of the car back would be adequate, there are kits available for about what the shims would cost you.
Put in a high performance fluid like the ATE Super Blue or Gold, the Brembo LCF600, Motul RBF600 or the Castrol SRF (best stuff in the world) and run the ducts and you will be fine. Have you added stainless flexible lines? I would highly suggest doing that as well. We have the Goodridge Racing lines, not the street lines (like you see at Tire Rack) in stock for the 350Z right now, we have all of the fluid in stock as well.
Thanks,
Mike Jr.
and this is why i had this question ...
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Im going to go ahead and agree with the above post. the issue you will then come up with is the pad not being able to tranfer heat to the larger body (the rotor) and you can get reduced efficiency. You can always get ducting or a more efficient brake setup.
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Here is the couterarguement (quick because I don't have alot of time at the moment)
Brakes work by virtue of friction. The heat needs to be maintained in the frictional surfaces...the pad and the rotor. Yes and high temp fluid is a part of that equation 9and no SRX is not "the best stuff in the world" though it is very, very good. Stainless lines are more a reliability/longevity mod on modern cars and not the performance enhancing mod they once were (ie on a 350Z, pedal feel is not going to be dramatically improved by chaning to stainless lines though the stainless ones will outlast OE lines which are prone to cracking over time). However, keeping heat away from the fluid is what lets the car brake consistently. Ducting may very well be part of that equation, but on some cars (the Z among them) proper ducts are not easily executed. As far as the dust boots, titanium is a fantastic barrier to heat...far better than the standard stamped steel shims that are usually used. The boots end up seeing less heat at their face, not more. The heat is retained in the pad and rotor, and blocked from the dust seals. We've had more than a few customers (Evo, STi and 350Z brembo are our current offerings) also report extended pad intervals (and the majority of these cars are track day machines, using pads ranging from DS3000's, Endless CCRG, Hawk Blues)
FWIW, Stoptech directly offers such shims for various platforms/calipers including their own. Albeit at a higher cost than ours. I don't want to guess as to how many track only cars are using their brake kits...I am sure it's alot though
Brakes work by virtue of friction. The heat needs to be maintained in the frictional surfaces...the pad and the rotor. Yes and high temp fluid is a part of that equation 9and no SRX is not "the best stuff in the world" though it is very, very good. Stainless lines are more a reliability/longevity mod on modern cars and not the performance enhancing mod they once were (ie on a 350Z, pedal feel is not going to be dramatically improved by chaning to stainless lines though the stainless ones will outlast OE lines which are prone to cracking over time). However, keeping heat away from the fluid is what lets the car brake consistently. Ducting may very well be part of that equation, but on some cars (the Z among them) proper ducts are not easily executed. As far as the dust boots, titanium is a fantastic barrier to heat...far better than the standard stamped steel shims that are usually used. The boots end up seeing less heat at their face, not more. The heat is retained in the pad and rotor, and blocked from the dust seals. We've had more than a few customers (Evo, STi and 350Z brembo are our current offerings) also report extended pad intervals (and the majority of these cars are track day machines, using pads ranging from DS3000's, Endless CCRG, Hawk Blues)
FWIW, Stoptech directly offers such shims for various platforms/calipers including their own. Albeit at a higher cost than ours. I don't want to guess as to how many track only cars are using their brake kits...I am sure it's alot though
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