First Look: KPtechnologies Push Button Start
man this looks awesome. can you mount the sensor on say the left part of the console by the seatbelt buckle so you could leave your keys in your pocket and still start? that would be awesome. Hopefully somebody can get one on a Z soon.
I know you don't recommend it, but for those of us that would like to remove the brake/clutch safety feature that prevents the car from being shut of unless the brake is pressed. Is it possible ?
I was playing with our smart key Nissan Murano today and got me thinking...
I was playing with our smart key Nissan Murano today and got me thinking...
I don't think the antenna range is long enough to reliably read the fob in your pocket. You will have to have the keys out anyway to unlock the car so it shouldn't be to inconvenient to drop them in a cup holder or wave them by the antenna.
You won't be able to bypass the brake shut down. The brake wire now has to be hooked up properly to get the RFID stuff working (it is a wake up). If you connect it directly to 12vdc to "bypass" it it will kill the vehicles battery in a short time due to the RFID transmitter always being on. The OEM systems have the luxary of using the P/NP switch to determine when the car is in Park or Neutral and only allowing you to shut the car off under those circumstances - this module doesn't have that so it needs some sort of other safety interlock to prevent someone from shutting the car off while driving.
You won't be able to bypass the brake shut down. The brake wire now has to be hooked up properly to get the RFID stuff working (it is a wake up). If you connect it directly to 12vdc to "bypass" it it will kill the vehicles battery in a short time due to the RFID transmitter always being on. The OEM systems have the luxary of using the P/NP switch to determine when the car is in Park or Neutral and only allowing you to shut the car off under those circumstances - this module doesn't have that so it needs some sort of other safety interlock to prevent someone from shutting the car off while driving.
Really? From your pocket to the side of the center console shouldn't be any more then 6inches away. The range is really that bad? It'd be nice to just unlock and put the key back in your pockets, so you won't forget it in the center console (plus the z doesn't "really" have a center console area to throw the keys in like the g35 does. Have you mounted this anywhere on the z? I can't seem to picture anywhere, where it would look stock.
I haven't installed one in a Z. I know at least one Z member has one installed but I'm not sure where he put the pushbutton.
If you do leave the keys over the antenna when you open the door the unit will beep at you to remind you to grab the keys. Also, if you forget the keys you won't be able to lock the door which should remind you to grab them.
If you do leave the keys over the antenna when you open the door the unit will beep at you to remind you to grab the keys. Also, if you forget the keys you won't be able to lock the door which should remind you to grab them.
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You guys are funny.
I guess, looking back, I never should have mentioned the stage 3 idea - especially because I don't even have a prototype idea laid out. I got caught up in concepts and wasn't focused on reality.
The reality of it is:
1. A secure stage 3 module is going to be expensive
2. A stage 3 module will definately require professional installation - it will NOT be a DIY type module
3. A stage 3 module will require mechanical modfications to the steering column to defeat the mechanical wheel lock
4. Depending on how it is installed if a stage 3 module fails your car may not be drivable.
There are some pretty major "cons" to such a system, and those are the things we have to consider BEFORE we spend thousands of dollars designing and developing a system. If we only have a market for 5-10 units then obviously we won't waste the time.
At the present time, I think the only way we could really develop a module like this and make it practical is if we had a commitment from install shops to carry and install our products. I don't really see this being a "sell to consumer" product, because most people will return them when they can't find anyplace that can install them.
I guess, looking back, I never should have mentioned the stage 3 idea - especially because I don't even have a prototype idea laid out. I got caught up in concepts and wasn't focused on reality.
The reality of it is:
1. A secure stage 3 module is going to be expensive
2. A stage 3 module will definately require professional installation - it will NOT be a DIY type module
3. A stage 3 module will require mechanical modfications to the steering column to defeat the mechanical wheel lock
4. Depending on how it is installed if a stage 3 module fails your car may not be drivable.
There are some pretty major "cons" to such a system, and those are the things we have to consider BEFORE we spend thousands of dollars designing and developing a system. If we only have a market for 5-10 units then obviously we won't waste the time.
At the present time, I think the only way we could really develop a module like this and make it practical is if we had a commitment from install shops to carry and install our products. I don't really see this being a "sell to consumer" product, because most people will return them when they can't find anyplace that can install them.
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I don't think the antenna range is long enough to reliably read the fob in your pocket. You will have to have the keys out anyway to unlock the car so it shouldn't be to inconvenient to drop them in a cup holder or wave them by the antenna.
You won't be able to bypass the brake shut down. The brake wire now has to be hooked up properly to get the RFID stuff working (it is a wake up). If you connect it directly to 12vdc to "bypass" it it will kill the vehicles battery in a short time due to the RFID transmitter always being on. The OEM systems have the luxary of using the P/NP switch to determine when the car is in Park or Neutral and only allowing you to shut the car off under those circumstances - this module doesn't have that so it needs some sort of other safety interlock to prevent someone from shutting the car off while driving.
You won't be able to bypass the brake shut down. The brake wire now has to be hooked up properly to get the RFID stuff working (it is a wake up). If you connect it directly to 12vdc to "bypass" it it will kill the vehicles battery in a short time due to the RFID transmitter always being on. The OEM systems have the luxary of using the P/NP switch to determine when the car is in Park or Neutral and only allowing you to shut the car off under those circumstances - this module doesn't have that so it needs some sort of other safety interlock to prevent someone from shutting the car off while driving.
Nissan does it be using an active battery powered transmitter built in to the smart key. You have to change the batteries every so often.
They also used antennas placed all over the car so that the signal strength can be minimized and still achieve acceptable, repeatable results. With a centrally mounted antenna you need to use more transmitter power to achieve the same results, resulting in changing batteries more frequently.
Our current design, since it is passive, uses no batteries. Once it is installed it just works, no need to worry about batteries or dead transmitters. Our keyfobs are extremely durable and should stand up to most types of typical key ring abuse.
They also used antennas placed all over the car so that the signal strength can be minimized and still achieve acceptable, repeatable results. With a centrally mounted antenna you need to use more transmitter power to achieve the same results, resulting in changing batteries more frequently.
Our current design, since it is passive, uses no batteries. Once it is installed it just works, no need to worry about batteries or dead transmitters. Our keyfobs are extremely durable and should stand up to most types of typical key ring abuse.
However, only two of the tags will be usable as one will be the "master" programming tag. The master tag can be reprogrammed to any of the tags, you just need to have one designated master for security.
The PB50 is finally on our site!
http://www.kptechnologies.com/products.php#/18
KPtechnologies is also proud to announce, after months of hard work, we have a completely new web site! The new site should be a little easier to use then the old site, and the new layout is better suited for our wide variety of products!
http://www.kptechnologies.com/products.php#/18
KPtechnologies is also proud to announce, after months of hard work, we have a completely new web site! The new site should be a little easier to use then the old site, and the new layout is better suited for our wide variety of products!
The PB50 is the push button control system - it includes the button and the module to control it, but it has no provisions for ignition switching - that is left up to the key.
The IG50 is an optional add on RFID based Ignition Control system. It is what allows the PB50 to be operated with no key. With the IG50 you will also still need an OEM security bypass (like what they use for remote starts) and you'll need to bypass the mechanical wheel lock.
The PB50 and the IG50 are completely seperate and always will be - this is to maintain flexibility. The PB50 can be installed now and the IG50 can be added at any time (once it is released) to convert the system to keyless.
Currently there are only two IG50s in existance - one in my G35 and one on my test bench. I am awaiting a few more parts before I can make the test versions. The IG50 should be available in a few months.
The IG50 is an optional add on RFID based Ignition Control system. It is what allows the PB50 to be operated with no key. With the IG50 you will also still need an OEM security bypass (like what they use for remote starts) and you'll need to bypass the mechanical wheel lock.
The PB50 and the IG50 are completely seperate and always will be - this is to maintain flexibility. The PB50 can be installed now and the IG50 can be added at any time (once it is released) to convert the system to keyless.
Currently there are only two IG50s in existance - one in my G35 and one on my test bench. I am awaiting a few more parts before I can make the test versions. The IG50 should be available in a few months.
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stage 3 sounds awesome, let me kno when stage 3 comes out, keys are sooo out-dated nowadays with all this crazy technology going on...these techies(tech guys) make this world a better place!!
