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Old 08-21-2008, 05:35 PM
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Track - TWS CCW 2.9 miles
Date 8/16/08
Best lap time 2:08.3
Car 08 nismo
Tires RT615 245/255 18 on LMGT4
brakes DS2500
other mods: in sign

my first time at TWS... green group in the morning, blue in the afternoon
tires quite greasy and with the instructor on the passenger seat I didn't went fast... I'm just trying to "qualify to solo" ASAP

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Track - GSS 1.3 miles CW + horseshoe
Date 8/30/08
Best lap time 1:07.9
Car 08 nismo
Tires RT615 245/255 18 on LMGT4
brakes DS2500

first time in this configuration for everybody at the track... so was even
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Old 09-03-2008, 05:24 AM
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Track: Hallett Raceway (West of Tulsa, OK)
Date: 29 Aug 2008
Best Lap: 141.062
Car: 2006 Infiniti G35 Coupe, 6MT
Tires: F-245/35/19, R-255/40/19 Falken FK452...stock OEM 19" Rays Wheels
Brakes: Stock rotors, Project Mu B Force Pads and ATE Super Blue fluid
Suspension: Hotchkis Sway bars

This was my first time tracking this car or any car. My lap times were dropping quickly as seat time went up. I know I could have taken a few more seconds off the top as figured out "The *****" (actual name for one of the turns). This track is a must for anyone in the midwest region! No video, my in car cameras kept shutting off for some reason I need to upgrade my suspension, wheel/tire combo, and rotors to really knock some time off.

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Old 09-03-2008, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by twin001
This was my first time tracking this car or any car. My lap times were dropping quickly as seat time went up.

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I need to upgrade my suspension, wheel/tire combo, and rotors to really knock some time off.
:Sigh: You've been on track once. The car is not what's holding you back. Why not learn how to drive, how to handle changing conditions, how to set up the car you have, before going out and modding it?

I'm not picking on you specifically twin001, but on the mentality that seems so common here (and elsewhere) that the most important thing about track driving is bolting things onto the car. Unless you're Lewis Hamilton, no matter what car you have, or what you've done to it, you won't be using 75% of its capabilities until you've run dozens of track days.

The engineers who built your car weren't dummies, and were probably smarter than you. By modding your car, you're just pushing the car's capabilities out further beyond your own skills. You could also be making it harder to drive, since you don't have the experience yet to know what's what. It's better to start learning in a slower, less powerful, less nimble car, and learn the basic skills first, then improve the car, if necessary.

The perfect example of this happened earlier this year at a FATT at Summit Point. A young guy in a brand new $90,000 Viper, his first day on track. He spun it at least once in each of the first two sessions. In the third session he did it again, but this time drove it into the woods, totalling the car and getting himself a ride to the hospital. (I never found out how serious his injuries were.)

Sure, you can make a hobby out of modding your car. Plenty of guys do. But don't fool yourself into thinking that a faster or more powerful car makes you a better driver. Or that the car is holding you back, at least not in your first few years of track driving.

--James
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119 track days on 18 tracks in 6 cars over 9 years
Instructor for FATT at Summit Point, NASA, BMWCCA
Old 09-03-2008, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by commasense
:Sigh: You've been on track once. The car is not what's holding you back. Why not learn how to drive, how to handle changing conditions, how to set up the car you have, before going out and modding it?

I'm not picking on you specifically twin001, but on the mentality that seems so common here (and elsewhere) that the most important thing about track driving is bolting things onto the car. Unless you're Lewis Hamilton, no matter what car you have, or what you've done to it, you won't be using 75% of its capabilities until you've run dozens of track days.

The engineers who built your car weren't dummies, and were probably smarter than you. By modding your car, you're just pushing the car's capabilities out further beyond your own skills. You could also be making it harder to drive, since you don't have the experience yet to know what's what. It's better to start learning in a slower, less powerful, less nimble car, and learn the basic skills first, then improve the car, if necessary.

The perfect example of this happened earlier this year at a FATT at Summit Point. A young guy in a brand new $90,000 Viper, his first day on track. He spun it at least once in each of the first two sessions. In the third session he did it again, but this time drove it into the woods, totalling the car and getting himself a ride to the hospital. (I never found out how serious his injuries were.)

Sure, you can make a hobby out of modding your car. Plenty of guys do. But don't fool yourself into thinking that a faster or more powerful car makes you a better driver. Or that the car is holding you back, at least not in your first few years of track driving.

--James
2003 Track model, bone stock, except for roll bar and harnesses
119 track days on 18 tracks in 6 cars over 9 years
Instructor for FATT at Summit Point, NASA, BMWCCA
GREAT post, man! VERY well said.

I hear so many funny things from people who never track their cars. They look at me like I was crazy when I used to take my ~160K mile car with only Bridgestone S03 tires and Axxis Ultimate brake pads (EVERYTHING else stock) to the track. You really don't need much to have fun on a track, particularly if you are really there to learn how to drive fast.

My philosophy is I want to be able to drive any car fast, not one particular car.
Old 09-06-2008, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by commasense
:Sigh: You've been on track once. The car is not what's holding you back. Why not learn how to drive, how to handle changing conditions, how to set up the car you have, before going out and modding it?

I'm not picking on you specifically twin001, but on the mentality that seems so common here (and elsewhere) that the most important thing about track driving is bolting things onto the car. Unless you're Lewis Hamilton, no matter what car you have, or what you've done to it, you won't be using 75% of its capabilities until you've run dozens of track days.

The engineers who built your car weren't dummies, and were probably smarter than you. By modding your car, you're just pushing the car's capabilities out further beyond your own skills. You could also be making it harder to drive, since you don't have the experience yet to know what's what. It's better to start learning in a slower, less powerful, less nimble car, and learn the basic skills first, then improve the car, if necessary.

The perfect example of this happened earlier this year at a FATT at Summit Point. A young guy in a brand new $90,000 Viper, his first day on track. He spun it at least once in each of the first two sessions. In the third session he did it again, but this time drove it into the woods, totalling the car and getting himself a ride to the hospital. (I never found out how serious his injuries were.)

Sure, you can make a hobby out of modding your car. Plenty of guys do. But don't fool yourself into thinking that a faster or more powerful car makes you a better driver. Or that the car is holding you back, at least not in your first few years of track driving.

--James
2003 Track model, bone stock, except for roll bar and harnesses
119 track days on 18 tracks in 6 cars over 9 years
Instructor for FATT at Summit Point, NASA, BMWCCA
Thanks for the words of encouragement, if that is what they were. Yes, I am improving my driving/track skills. You need to remember, you had a "first" time too.

Edit: BTW, I have been looking for a dedicated track car since Hallett. I found a 84 300z in great shape that I think we are going to buy. I would like to stay in the Z family. Also, our Z car club will be doing more events at Hallett in the future.

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Old 09-13-2008, 01:31 PM
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Track: Hallett Motor Racing Circuit (1.8 miles)
Date: 8-29-08
Best Lap: 1:39
Car: 2004.5 350z base (open differential)
Tires: 100% stock. Stock 17 inch wheels, stock potenza re040 rubber.
Brakes: centric rotors, carbotech xp8, rbf600
Suspension: stock
120lbs passenger.
Temps: Mid 90's




My #1 issue was not having a LSD. After a few sessions and I figured out the line and the braking zones.... I was flirting with the limits, but when it came to powering out of/around turns..... I was constantly babysitting the inside tire and it was VERY annoying. I've decided I'm either getting a LSD before next year, or getting my own kart instead (much faster and better bang for the buck IMO).

Twin001 did just fine for his first time on a track. It was my first time at hallett. For me, knowing a track like the back of my hand is 90% of the battle... unless I get a ton of laps in, it takes me a few days for everything to sink in.... especially at hallett where there are tricky elevation changes and blind turns. The track is surprisingly technical (a very welcome surprise, though). The course officials mentioned in the drivers meeting that it was a technical course, and if you can drive fast at hallett, you can drive fast anywhere.

I would have liked to seen more 350's & G's out, since it was the midwest Z fest.
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A few more updates from me:

Track: VIR Full Course
Date: 10/5/2006
Best Lap: 2:05
Car: 2004 Nissan 350Z TT with 400whp estimate...power was dropping off towards the end, so who knows....running on 1 of my 2 turbos.
Tires: Hoosiers R6 295/315
Brakes: Stop Tech
Suspension: TEIn SRC
WEIGHT: 3100lbs without driver
Temps: 80's
Old 10-19-2008, 10:03 AM
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Track: VIR Full Course
Date: Oct. 11-12
Best Lap time: 2:27
Car: 2004 Base Model 350Z 6spd
Tires: 275/35/18 Kumho Ecsta XS
brakes: Factory non-Brembo's with Hawk HP+
Est. wheel hp: 225whp (stock)
Weight: Full weight Base model and my 135lb skinny ***.
Other Modifications: 18x9 +30 wheels
Lap Notes (Rain, heat, etc): High 70's, sunny, dry, perfect track day

This was my 4th weekend on track, 2nd weekend at VIR, 1st track day with the tires and wheels. With better brakes and attacking Oak Tree and the top of the roller coaster harder I could probably knock off a couple seconds. I could probably go a little faster through turn 1 also. The car feels pretty loose going up the S's. I definitely have room for improvement.
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Updated:

Track: Barber Motorsports Park
Date: 11/13/08
Best Lap time: 1:37
Car: 2004 350Z JWT TT
Tires: 295/315 Hoosier R6
Brakes: Stop Tech BBK 6/4
Old 11-17-2008, 07:27 AM
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Track: Eagles Canyon Raceway, Denton TX
Date: 10/12/2008
Best Lap time: 2:00.572
Car: 2003 350z Enthusiast
Tires: 275/40/17 AVON Tech R
Brakes: Stoptech - 13" front, stock rear
Pads: Ferodo DS3000 front, Hawk Blue rear
Lap Notes: Timed with AMB transponder during Sunday's qualifying for a NASA race. Ran in ST2 class. First weekend running at this track and my second weekend door to door racing.
Link to event results http://mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=993502
Old 12-01-2008, 10:07 AM
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are mid-high 1:40's comon for Z's on R-compounds around R.A.? seems kinda slowish no offense unless i missed somethin.
Old 12-02-2008, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ke0ki2k
are mid-high 1:40's comon for Z's on R-compounds around R.A.? seems kinda slowish no offense unless i missed somethin.
Considering full blown ITS and ITR cars average around 1:43 - 1:39, then yes Mid 1:4x's is pretty good.
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Track: Gingerman Raceway. South Haven, MI.
Date: 5/26/08
Best Lap time: ~1min 49sec (using video camera display timer)
Car: 2006 350Z Enthusiast m/t
Tires: Stock Potenza
brakes: Stock non-brembo
Other Modifications: Cobb Springs/Sways
Lap Notes (Rain, heat, etc): Novice driver, first trip to Gingerman, HPDE.
1.9mi, 11 turns.

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New personal Best:
VIR Full
Date: 12/1/08
best Lap : 2:09:22 (Traqmate)
Car: MKII Factory Five Spec in SPO Trim
Tires: RA1s (two years old)
Lap notes : only got 2 1/2 laps in the car. I really think the thing is a sub 2:00 car. It was AWESOME!!
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^ car?
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I just wanted to say I agree 100% with what commasense had to say!
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Originally Posted by mhoward1
New personal Best:
VIR Full
Date: 12/1/08
best Lap : 2:09:22 (Traqmate)
Car: MKII Factory Five Spec in SPO Trim
Tires: RA1s (two years old)
Lap notes : only got 2 1/2 laps in the car. I really think the thing is a sub 2:00 car. It was AWESOME!!


does this mean i will be competing against it next season in SPO with marty behind the wheel ?
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Originally Posted by Billhyco
does this mean i will be competing against it next season in SPO with marty behind the wheel ?
still up in the air, but there's a chance
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Originally Posted by xDIEGOx
^ car?

Originally Posted by mhoward1
Car: MKII Factory Five Spec in SPO Trim
not me or the same car

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Track - Road Atlanta
Date 12/08
Best lap time 1:39
Car GTR
Tires Stock
brakes Stock
other mods: none

What a Ride!

btw Marty, you need to buy that FFR!


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