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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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Anyone used ATS/Carbonetic 2 way carbon LSD? or Carbonetic twin carbon clutch kit?

According to their website, it will accelerate faster using carbon LSD in the cornering and minimum weight transfer for changing gear making gradual transition of each gears with carbon clutch.

I've only have experience using Kaaz LSD and Daikin race metal disc before, but I am wonder if this is real true.

Before I buy them, I was hoping to get some feedback of above regards.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 05:56 PM
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I use the ATS three disc carbon clutch and lightweight flywheel, and a Nismo mechanical clutch type LSD.

The LSD will allow you to hook up on corner exit better, and thus put more power down than an open differential, which should deliver better corner exit velocity that you will carry all the way down the ensuing straight.

The lightweight flywheel has less inertial mass to overcome, so it will rev up/down faster with less energy, and is much easier to match revs on downshifts.

If you track the car, both are good mods to research and consider using.

Be aware of the street civility compromise from both of these mods.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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I haven’t road raced yet, but I have autocrossed for almost two years now.

I use the Quaife and absolutely love it!

It puts power to the tire with the most grip. (Usually the outside tire in a turn, and actually helps the car turn. (As well as hook up, coming out of a turn.)

At the tail of the dragon this year, (ZdayZ) I swapped cars with a road racer who uses the stock VLSD and we both agreed the quaife was far better than the stock LSD. Also, the Quaife is smooth as butter while it does its thing. All you feel is traction.

The stock LSD always seemed a hair late. As I would feed in throttle, I would feel the inside tire spin for just a fraction of a second before the outside tire would join in. The Quaife seems like it's always waiting on the driver, always ready.

I know you didn't ask about the Quaife, and I have no experience with a clutch-type LSD, but I was looking at clutch-type LSD's for a bit before I even knew what a Quaife LSD was or that Quaife made one for the Z. So I thought I would add my 2 cents, just in case you are in the same boat I was.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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Autocross is fun...only autocross I've done was at Skip Barber Viper GTS 2day racing school 15 years ago at Sears Point, CA.

I've graduated Skip Barber Racing taking all Formula courses prior my racing career start wtih front wheel drive touring car...what an offset!

Well Z1NONLY , every experience count~

Quaife is well known.....just too expensive for me to consider long time ago at price of $1,500 range, but I have no idea how much they run now.

All I know is that Quaife is good product too.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 01:39 PM
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Impulse, all of the cars we track are running the Carbonetics Carbon LSD and their twin/triple disc clutches. Great units, and definately the smoothest for street use. Eagle1 described what a LSD will do for you on the track. A lot of people prefer the Carbonetic and Quaife units, becuase they are also very streetable, and seamless for street usage as well.

Let us know if you have anymore questions. We are master distributors for Carbonetics, and carry them in stock.
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Being sponsor and experienced, I have more confident now after reading your reply Sharif@Forged

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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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The Quaife is a terrific unit, what they call a "torsen" or torsion sensing gear driven approach. It would be worth your while to read up on the actual workings of both the mechanical and torsen type units, and the viscous lsd that comes in the car. The Viscous is really more for safety, and is not a high performance type unit that is for hard driving/track use. For a car that is to be driven on the street with the occasional track day, if you can afford it, you will be very pleased with the smooth Quaife type lsd. The clutch/mechanical types are "bad boys" that will give you chatter-lurch in slow speed sharp turns, especially noticeable in parking lots and at street corner turns. You can learn to manage it by giving a smooth straight acceleration then depressing the clutch and gliding through the sharp turn and re-engaging clutch as you straighten out, so as not to discomfort passengers or scare nearby pedestrians into dropping their grocery bags and leaping on top of their cars for safety. For hard track work I have seen the Quaife break on other cars, but that was a 600 rwhp Z driven by Mike B and he was going like gangbusters on it. Unless you are in the upper 5% of drive with your hair on fire advanced skill drivers, I suspect the Quaife is up to whatever you can throw at it.
I have not tried the carbonetics lsd, but if Sharif likes it, that would be very persuasive to me.
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Old Sep 19, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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The Quaife is a terrific unit, what they call a "torsen" or torsion sensing gear driven approach. It would be worth your while to read up on the actual workings of both the mechanical and torsen type units, and the viscous lsd that comes in the car. The Viscous is really more for safety, and is not a high performance type unit that is for hard driving/track use. For a car that is to be driven on the street with the occasional track day, if you can afford it, you will be very pleased with the smooth Quaife type lsd. The clutch/mechanical types are "bad boys" that will give you chatter-lurch in slow speed sharp turns, especially noticeable in parking lots and at street corner turns. You can learn to manage it by giving a smooth straight acceleration then depressing the clutch and gliding through the sharp turn and re-engaging clutch as you straighten out, so as not to discomfort passengers or scare nearby pedestrians into dropping their grocery bags and leaping on top of their cars for safety. For hard track work I have seen the Quaife break on other cars, but that was a 600 rwhp Z driven by Mike B and he was going like gangbusters on it. Unless you are in the upper 5% of drive with your hair on fire advanced skill drivers, I suspect the Quaife is up to whatever you can throw at it.
I have not tried the carbonetics lsd, but if Sharif likes it, that would be very persuasive to me.
Yeah....I didn't even know I am old school now. I think I am upper 6% had FIA Group C international license.

Prior my 350Z I bought recently, my first Nissan was R32 GTS-t single turbo (T-88) 300hp at track use. Loved GTR and still, but just cant afford it.

Met Jenson Button at F3 prior he left to F1 following year....oh no~ I wasn't competing with him. At that time I was retire and driving M5 at the track for F3 emergency standby driver with doctor in the car. If huge accident happen, we go out first.

I can't recall the U.K. doctor's name, but he said that he never went to see his daughter's birthday for last 16 years. It just happen to be same date as
F1 racing that he was needed for his service.


Back to~~ I will be trying ATS/Carbon for now. For some reason, I think Japan car need Japanese parts for best performance. Its proven at the track for long period of time to work overall. Plus, carbon last twice longer keeping same performance, so....

I am still new here....newbie feels good~here.
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