PC interface and software
11-16-2005 | 12:09 AM
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PC interface and software
Hi all
Anybody knows about an interface that works to connect a PC to the Z OBD port for monitoring all the sensors of the engine? and a software that works?
I know about the nissan consult, but this is expen$$$$$ive
Anybody knows about an interface that works to connect a PC to the Z OBD port for monitoring all the sensors of the engine? and a software that works?
I know about the nissan consult, but this is expen$$$$$ive
11-16-2005 | 11:16 AM
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Check out...
http://www.uprev.com/products/cipher.html
We designed it specifically for the Z. It uses the same protocol as the Consult II.
We've been trying to drum up some interest in the system so that we can go into production before the end of the year, but so far it's still planed for early Jan 06. If we can get at least 25 people to commit, then we'll go into production tomorrow and have them ready by mid Dec.
Cypher can read/data log ANY sensor or switch on the car. It also has the capability to adjust the ignition advance across the board (+2 deg, just like the consult), and set the idle RPM.
W/ software updates coming over the next few months, the system will have ALL the same functionality as the Consult II plus A LOT more. Including active tests and work support routines (like fuel system pressure release if you’re upgrading injectors or rails).
There is also a end-user-reflash in the works that will use the same hardware (will require purchase of software upgrade). Expected release for the reflash is some time next year.
Some of the advantages of Cypher over other generic OBDII tools (other than the specific ones listed above) include data logging/monitoring @ much higher speeds (because it uses Nissan’s protocol and not generic OBDII protocol), the ability to talk not only to the ECU, but other devices on the CAN network like the body controller module, the ABS module, and the IPD module. Plus the fact that it was designed specifically for the Z, so we’ll be taking all Z related input and incorporating any feasible suggestions into the software.
Start making some noise and shoot some emails my way. I’d like to hear any feedback, and like I said, if we can gain enough interest we'll get this thing out before the end of the year.
-Jared@UpRev.com
http://www.uprev.com/products/cipher.html
We designed it specifically for the Z. It uses the same protocol as the Consult II.
We've been trying to drum up some interest in the system so that we can go into production before the end of the year, but so far it's still planed for early Jan 06. If we can get at least 25 people to commit, then we'll go into production tomorrow and have them ready by mid Dec.
Cypher can read/data log ANY sensor or switch on the car. It also has the capability to adjust the ignition advance across the board (+2 deg, just like the consult), and set the idle RPM.
W/ software updates coming over the next few months, the system will have ALL the same functionality as the Consult II plus A LOT more. Including active tests and work support routines (like fuel system pressure release if you’re upgrading injectors or rails).
There is also a end-user-reflash in the works that will use the same hardware (will require purchase of software upgrade). Expected release for the reflash is some time next year.
Some of the advantages of Cypher over other generic OBDII tools (other than the specific ones listed above) include data logging/monitoring @ much higher speeds (because it uses Nissan’s protocol and not generic OBDII protocol), the ability to talk not only to the ECU, but other devices on the CAN network like the body controller module, the ABS module, and the IPD module. Plus the fact that it was designed specifically for the Z, so we’ll be taking all Z related input and incorporating any feasible suggestions into the software.
Start making some noise and shoot some emails my way. I’d like to hear any feedback, and like I said, if we can gain enough interest we'll get this thing out before the end of the year.
-Jared@UpRev.com
11-16-2005 | 01:32 PM
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Cipher
PunKidd, this cipher sounds too good. What is estimated price?
Any chance that it will be touchscreen friendly, and could it be connected permanently to carputer? Are there plans to have plugin for some of the popular front ends on MP3Car.com Forums (FrodoPlayer, RoadRunner, CentraFuse, etc)? Thanks
Any chance that it will be touchscreen friendly, and could it be connected permanently to carputer? Are there plans to have plugin for some of the popular front ends on MP3Car.com Forums (FrodoPlayer, RoadRunner, CentraFuse, etc)? Thanks
11-16-2005 | 03:10 PM
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11-16-2005 | 04:27 PM
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Price on Cipher is set at $400 right now. If we can get a group buy going for 20 people or so then we can offer a discount. We've been kicking around ~$300 for a group buy, but that would most defiantly be a one time thing for the sake of our bottom line.
dova,
It's a windows based program, so if you have a touch screen that works w/ windows, then your in business. We've also been talking about building a wireless remote unit that would almost defiantly incorporate a touch screen, but that is pretty far down the road at this point. We're going to focus on the reflash and get that dialed in the way that everyone wants it before we tackle the wireless unit.
rednezz,
The timing adjustment that is currently part of Cipher is an across the board adjustment and it is quite limited (+2 deg on most cars). It's the same adjustment that they can make at the dealer w/ the Consult II. We did see a gain of 2HP across the board on our bone stock touring model, but that was so small that we didn’t even bother to put it up on the site.
Once we get the reflash done and ready for market you'll be able to do what ever you want to ANY of the maps stored in flash memory on the ECU, including ignition timing, AFR tables, MAF scaling, injector scaling, and many more. It will make the factory ECU just as adjustable as a full stand alone. With that said, it won’t be for the faint of heart. It will be easy to make the car very fast (w/ the correct hardware mods of course), but just as easy to blow it up if you don't know what you're doing. It should be powerful enough to run extremely radical mods (like forced induction) w/o the aid of any piggybacks or other tuning solution (just hardware upgrades like injectors and what not).
I’ll leave it at that. I don’t want to get anyone too excited about the reflash yet, as that is still in development.
dova,
It's a windows based program, so if you have a touch screen that works w/ windows, then your in business. We've also been talking about building a wireless remote unit that would almost defiantly incorporate a touch screen, but that is pretty far down the road at this point. We're going to focus on the reflash and get that dialed in the way that everyone wants it before we tackle the wireless unit.
rednezz,
The timing adjustment that is currently part of Cipher is an across the board adjustment and it is quite limited (+2 deg on most cars). It's the same adjustment that they can make at the dealer w/ the Consult II. We did see a gain of 2HP across the board on our bone stock touring model, but that was so small that we didn’t even bother to put it up on the site.
Once we get the reflash done and ready for market you'll be able to do what ever you want to ANY of the maps stored in flash memory on the ECU, including ignition timing, AFR tables, MAF scaling, injector scaling, and many more. It will make the factory ECU just as adjustable as a full stand alone. With that said, it won’t be for the faint of heart. It will be easy to make the car very fast (w/ the correct hardware mods of course), but just as easy to blow it up if you don't know what you're doing. It should be powerful enough to run extremely radical mods (like forced induction) w/o the aid of any piggybacks or other tuning solution (just hardware upgrades like injectors and what not).
I’ll leave it at that. I don’t want to get anyone too excited about the reflash yet, as that is still in development.
11-16-2005 | 07:30 PM
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PLEASE MAKE THIS A REALITY SOON!!!!!!!! hahhaa. my prayers have been answered. i am actually having to go to my dealer in a couple days to get all my maps reloaded on my stock ecu and a couple other things looked at. i would love to be able to control the stock ecu and not put all my faith in a piggy back!! not to down talk technosquare, but glad to see you guys giving them a reason to drop their insane prices too.
so it will just be a usb that will plug into the diagnostic port?
so it will just be a usb that will plug into the diagnostic port?
11-16-2005 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PunKidd
Once we get the reflash done and ready for market you'll be able to do what ever you want to ANY of the maps stored in flash memory on the ECU, including ignition timing, AFR tables, MAF scaling, injector scaling, and many more. It will make the factory ECU just as adjustable as a full stand alone.
11-16-2005 | 07:50 PM
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i tried to email, but it said failure notice, so i will just post the email here and maybe help others get the info too.
i saw your post on my350z forums. i'm overZealous1, and just left a
post for ya. i have many questions about this tool.
1. will i be able to adjust rev limit?
2. will i be able to eliminate speed limiter?
3. i have heard the stock ignition has 3 different maps to choose
from depending on different conditions. this has helped some folks
detonate and break ringlands or worse when it switched to a more advanced
map. so my question is, are all 3 of those timing maps acsessable and able
to be set in real timing degrees?
4. alot of people are getting po300 codes once modding the car, is
there a way to make this function less sensitive to help from getting
this code?
5. is the injector scaling done in percentage of original ms, or do
you need to go in and scale it manually?
6. are the complete timing and fuel maps visible when using the tool
and able to adjust an entire map with motor not running, or is it more
of a feedback type that will only show what is going on in real time
and have to manipulate the figures at that time?
if it can tackle these tasks, you have a buyer for sure here. and i
am sure you will get a TON more, especially when more folk hear about
it. if some of the options listed above are not possible for the cipher
at first release, when would you expect to have the ability to make it
fully adjustable?
thanks scott rowland
i saw your post on my350z forums. i'm overZealous1, and just left a
post for ya. i have many questions about this tool.
1. will i be able to adjust rev limit?
2. will i be able to eliminate speed limiter?
3. i have heard the stock ignition has 3 different maps to choose
from depending on different conditions. this has helped some folks
detonate and break ringlands or worse when it switched to a more advanced
map. so my question is, are all 3 of those timing maps acsessable and able
to be set in real timing degrees?
4. alot of people are getting po300 codes once modding the car, is
there a way to make this function less sensitive to help from getting
this code?
5. is the injector scaling done in percentage of original ms, or do
you need to go in and scale it manually?
6. are the complete timing and fuel maps visible when using the tool
and able to adjust an entire map with motor not running, or is it more
of a feedback type that will only show what is going on in real time
and have to manipulate the figures at that time?
if it can tackle these tasks, you have a buyer for sure here. and i
am sure you will get a TON more, especially when more folk hear about
it. if some of the options listed above are not possible for the cipher
at first release, when would you expect to have the ability to make it
fully adjustable?
thanks scott rowland
11-16-2005 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by overZealous1
i tried to email, but it said failure notice, so i will just post the email here and maybe help others get the info too.
i saw your post on my350z forums. i'm overZealous1, and just left a
post for ya. i have many questions about this tool.
1. will i be able to adjust rev limit?
2. will i be able to eliminate speed limiter?
3. i have heard the stock ignition has 3 different maps to choose
from depending on different conditions. this has helped some folks
detonate and break ringlands or worse when it switched to a more advanced
map. so my question is, are all 3 of those timing maps acsessable and able
to be set in real timing degrees?
4. alot of people are getting po300 codes once modding the car, is
there a way to make this function less sensitive to help from getting
this code?
5. is the injector scaling done in percentage of original ms, or do
you need to go in and scale it manually?
6. are the complete timing and fuel maps visible when using the tool
and able to adjust an entire map with motor not running, or is it more
of a feedback type that will only show what is going on in real time
and have to manipulate the figures at that time?
if it can tackle these tasks, you have a buyer for sure here. and i
am sure you will get a TON more, especially when more folk hear about
it. if some of the options listed above are not possible for the cipher
at first release, when would you expect to have the ability to make it
fully adjustable?
thanks scott rowland
i saw your post on my350z forums. i'm overZealous1, and just left a
post for ya. i have many questions about this tool.
1. will i be able to adjust rev limit?
2. will i be able to eliminate speed limiter?
3. i have heard the stock ignition has 3 different maps to choose
from depending on different conditions. this has helped some folks
detonate and break ringlands or worse when it switched to a more advanced
map. so my question is, are all 3 of those timing maps acsessable and able
to be set in real timing degrees?
4. alot of people are getting po300 codes once modding the car, is
there a way to make this function less sensitive to help from getting
this code?
5. is the injector scaling done in percentage of original ms, or do
you need to go in and scale it manually?
6. are the complete timing and fuel maps visible when using the tool
and able to adjust an entire map with motor not running, or is it more
of a feedback type that will only show what is going on in real time
and have to manipulate the figures at that time?
if it can tackle these tasks, you have a buyer for sure here. and i
am sure you will get a TON more, especially when more folk hear about
it. if some of the options listed above are not possible for the cipher
at first release, when would you expect to have the ability to make it
fully adjustable?
thanks scott rowland
Most of these features are not possible without a full reflash. CYPHER is only a diagnostics/datalogging package with the ability to change the few things that the ECU has as settable parameters. This is pretty much just Timing advance, idle rpm target, and some other sensors that can be tweaked (only good for troubleshooting really)
The full reflash will come later and everything you described above should be doable.
John
11-17-2005 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by oman_
Most of these features are not possible without a full reflash. CYPHER is only a diagnostics/datalogging package with the ability to change the few things that the ECU has as settable parameters. This is pretty much just Timing advance, idle rpm target, and some other sensors that can be tweaked (only good for troubleshooting really)
The full reflash will come later and everything you described above should be doable.
John
The full reflash will come later and everything you described above should be doable.
John
We don't want people going nuts over the reflash just yet. We're really just trying to get some interest in Cipher at this point, which is limited to diagnostics and data logging w/ a few minor adjustments.
