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12-03-2003, 09:05 PM
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TILTON - A night of rush hour with...
So, Today, Finally after MUCH anticipation on my part and others on the board we got the Tilton Flywheel with Revised "street clutch" installed.
In the below link I was stopped at a light. Video of revving in neutral from Idle. I had my Rev light set at 6600 RPM. The first burst is from pressing the gas down just about half way for a split second, it went all the way up to 6600 RPM faster then the light could respond. The 2nd burst was tapping the gas once.
A short stand still video clip of the Tilton Flywheel Revving..
The Tilton Flywheel and Clutch package is available only from Performance Nissan of Duarte California.
First off. I had my tranny replaced with the latest revision of tranny's to be released for the Z. It replaces the Clutch Pedal with a new one. It is very smooth, not as stiff as the original pedal in my car :-/
So that is taking some getting used to.
My car - K&N Typhoon Intake / RT High Flow Cats / NISMO Cat Back Exhaust
Now to the flywheel / clutch.
The new clutch has a lighter pressure plate. It can be driven slowly and not stall out, you can catch it if you start too. With the last set up the tech stalled 3 times backing out, this time he didn't once.
Driving it - My first time driving it was rough, hard to get used to it at first because the point in which the clutch catches has changed. I am adjusting to that, also the lighter feel of the new clutch pedal.
When launching slow (like in stop and go traffic or from a light) I am very cautious of stalling out and I think I am just thinking of it too much, The feeling is like the first time learning how to drive stick getting the lift / push thing down. BUT, once you find the sweet spot of this clutch a slow start can be smooth. If you don't give it enough gas it is choppy but if you give it the rite amount its smoother, but not exactly a "slow" start but once you get above 10mph you can lift your foot off the gas and leave it in gear and be ok (good for stop and go).
The clutch grabs hard, in every gear.
Neutral to first -- have to think about it (atleast still on my first day) can be a smooth start, just have to be able to finesse it the rite way and get the RPM's at the right speed before you let up on the clutch pedal.
First to second - dont attempt unless second gear is going to be above 2250RPM or you will get CHATTER! As long as you shift into 2nd gear from just over 4000rpm it will be smooth and quiet.
Second to third - the 2250RPM thing still applies, Chatter. the car will jerk if you let up the clutch and the RPM's are not matched. To have this flywheel and drive it smooth you must be able to RPM match well, or you are in for a bumpy ride.
Third to fourth and beyond - the 2250RPM thing still applies and your car will still jerk if you dont match the RPM's.
Down Shifting...
Be prepared to be thrown into the seat and getting pushed into your seat all the way to the top of 3rd, slamming it down into 4th and experiencing the same force and realizing you are at 110MPH just after you shifted into gear! The redline comes up faster then you would think.
Once again, you must RPM match near perfectly or the car will jerk. The clutch grabs extremely hard and the flywheel moves FAST!
It is a BLAST! I was coasting at 20MPH in 1st gear and then just floored it, The wheels spun all the way to the top of first and into second, then I had to let off the gas due to the rush hour traffic infront of me.
Once above 10MPH this flywheel is not hard to drive with at all. The car pulls harder all the way up. Is so responsive to the slightest throttle taps or changes in pressure applied to the throttle.
Starting with this flywheel definitely takes practice, Every start I am getting better and better at becoming smoother consistently. Some times I am spot on, a few times I have stalled while thinking too hard.
I will post more of my feelings on this as time goes on. I look forward to driving it on the twisties this weekend in San D, but will take it on some locally before then.
Currently this package is great for the aggressive driver who does not see much rush hour traffic, although it is tollerable in rush hour stop and go, it is alot of work especially at first. But, you get used to it as I am more and more.
Any questions please PM / Email / AIM / Yahoo me.
In the below link I was stopped at a light. Video of revving in neutral from Idle. I had my Rev light set at 6600 RPM. The first burst is from pressing the gas down just about half way for a split second, it went all the way up to 6600 RPM faster then the light could respond. The 2nd burst was tapping the gas once.
A short stand still video clip of the Tilton Flywheel Revving..
The Tilton Flywheel and Clutch package is available only from Performance Nissan of Duarte California.
First off. I had my tranny replaced with the latest revision of tranny's to be released for the Z. It replaces the Clutch Pedal with a new one. It is very smooth, not as stiff as the original pedal in my car :-/
So that is taking some getting used to.
My car - K&N Typhoon Intake / RT High Flow Cats / NISMO Cat Back Exhaust
Now to the flywheel / clutch.
The new clutch has a lighter pressure plate. It can be driven slowly and not stall out, you can catch it if you start too. With the last set up the tech stalled 3 times backing out, this time he didn't once.
Driving it - My first time driving it was rough, hard to get used to it at first because the point in which the clutch catches has changed. I am adjusting to that, also the lighter feel of the new clutch pedal.
When launching slow (like in stop and go traffic or from a light) I am very cautious of stalling out and I think I am just thinking of it too much, The feeling is like the first time learning how to drive stick getting the lift / push thing down. BUT, once you find the sweet spot of this clutch a slow start can be smooth. If you don't give it enough gas it is choppy but if you give it the rite amount its smoother, but not exactly a "slow" start but once you get above 10mph you can lift your foot off the gas and leave it in gear and be ok (good for stop and go).
The clutch grabs hard, in every gear.
Neutral to first -- have to think about it (atleast still on my first day) can be a smooth start, just have to be able to finesse it the rite way and get the RPM's at the right speed before you let up on the clutch pedal.
First to second - dont attempt unless second gear is going to be above 2250RPM or you will get CHATTER! As long as you shift into 2nd gear from just over 4000rpm it will be smooth and quiet.
Second to third - the 2250RPM thing still applies, Chatter. the car will jerk if you let up the clutch and the RPM's are not matched. To have this flywheel and drive it smooth you must be able to RPM match well, or you are in for a bumpy ride.
Third to fourth and beyond - the 2250RPM thing still applies and your car will still jerk if you dont match the RPM's.
Down Shifting...
Be prepared to be thrown into the seat and getting pushed into your seat all the way to the top of 3rd, slamming it down into 4th and experiencing the same force and realizing you are at 110MPH just after you shifted into gear! The redline comes up faster then you would think.
Once again, you must RPM match near perfectly or the car will jerk. The clutch grabs extremely hard and the flywheel moves FAST!
It is a BLAST! I was coasting at 20MPH in 1st gear and then just floored it, The wheels spun all the way to the top of first and into second, then I had to let off the gas due to the rush hour traffic infront of me.
Once above 10MPH this flywheel is not hard to drive with at all. The car pulls harder all the way up. Is so responsive to the slightest throttle taps or changes in pressure applied to the throttle.
Starting with this flywheel definitely takes practice, Every start I am getting better and better at becoming smoother consistently. Some times I am spot on, a few times I have stalled while thinking too hard.
I will post more of my feelings on this as time goes on. I look forward to driving it on the twisties this weekend in San D, but will take it on some locally before then.
Currently this package is great for the aggressive driver who does not see much rush hour traffic, although it is tollerable in rush hour stop and go, it is alot of work especially at first. But, you get used to it as I am more and more.
Any questions please PM / Email / AIM / Yahoo me.
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12-03-2003, 09:57 PM
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Tommorow I will take a video clip while driving, from start to hard acceleration's etc...
I will need hosting for it though...
I will do it on the way to work on the freeway... Got to love an open highway at 5:30am
I will need hosting for it though...
I will do it on the way to work on the freeway... Got to love an open highway at 5:30am
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Originally posted by frenzee
Did you ever drive the NISMO lightweight cluch for comparison?
Did you ever drive the NISMO lightweight cluch for comparison?
it is hard to say because the tranny / clutch pedle (angle and all) is different with this newest tranny nissan is installing,
When Jeff gets his car back Ill do similar video's to what im doing with the tilton for the Nismo.
12-04-2003, 04:33 AM
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I can hardly wait to get my Tilton back in!!! There is nothing like the acceleration of that puppy!!! We have one more stage of pressure plate coming that we will test soon as well. We are tring to perfect this for you guys to give an application for the street that will take all the H.P. you can throw at it. The one Jason has right now is great for the S/C and Turbo applications, now we need one for the N/A mild applications.
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Here is a video clip I did this morning on the way to work.
75MPH in 6th, Dropped it to 3rd, then 4th up to 110MPH then lifted off the gas and let the revs die down.
Too bad for the rush hour traffic infront of me :-/
Here is linky, Sorry its hard to hold the camera and drive :-/
350Z Tilton Flywheel / Clutch 3rd to 4th WOT
75MPH in 6th, Dropped it to 3rd, then 4th up to 110MPH then lifted off the gas and let the revs die down.
Too bad for the rush hour traffic infront of me :-/
Here is linky, Sorry its hard to hold the camera and drive :-/
350Z Tilton Flywheel / Clutch 3rd to 4th WOT
12-04-2003, 09:43 AM
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man, I would love to trade you my "Stiff" clutch for your soft and smooth one. :-\ My tranny feels so notchy and stiff... and makes noise going in and out of gear... but my dealership doesn't see it as a problem.
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Originally posted by Jason@Performance
Here is linky, Sorry its hard to hold the camera and drive :-/
Here is linky, Sorry its hard to hold the camera and drive :-/
12-04-2003, 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by 350Z_Redline
How were you able to operate the camera, steering wheel and shifter at the same time? Cool vid though.
How were you able to operate the camera, steering wheel and shifter at the same time? Cool vid though.
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what's the difference between the "street clutch" and the racing one?
Is the street clutch a twin plate as well? Ceramic? Sprung?
If the flywheel is the same the street clutc is as small as the race clutch,yes?
Is the street clutch a twin plate as well? Ceramic? Sprung?
If the flywheel is the same the street clutc is as small as the race clutch,yes?
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Flywheels rule soo much, can this FW be used with am ore streetable clutch, i dont see whay not but i didnt know if the friction surface was something special! How much does that fw weigh compared to stock?