APS TT kit vs Turbonetics kit dyno overlayed
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Originally Posted by theking
Well if you are selling this as a "bolt on" turbo kit then that has the conotation(sp) of needing little or no tune. I agree that people should bite the bullet and get it dyno tuned. I think the other point you may be missing is that not many tuners are certified to tune your systems(please don't say it is hard to find tuners that you will approve because everyone knows you want as many as you can get). I would have gotten your kit if their was someone within a couple hours of me to tune it.
However it should'nt be blamed on the manufacturer simply because one is not happy with the results achieved atm, because he can't access a close by tuner at this stage, as this should have been evaluated to start with. I'm not saying its anyone's fault but its an important aspect to consider when purchasing such a system from any company.
I'm sure Peter is actively searching for more competant tuners atm that fulfill his tuning specifications competantly, however this is a process that doesn't happen overnight.
Originally Posted by ZZtopp
Hey Yammy...weren't you banned from this website?
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Okay some information in regard to the CARB's question:
Here in Australia preliminary tests have already been carried out in regard to emissions and CARB standards with great results. Its at a point where APS is ready to start the physical testing in California, so that is all that is holding it back at the moment. I can't offer a date at this stage until further notice of the testing.
Thanks, James.
Here in Australia preliminary tests have already been carried out in regard to emissions and CARB standards with great results. Its at a point where APS is ready to start the physical testing in California, so that is all that is holding it back at the moment. I can't offer a date at this stage until further notice of the testing.
Thanks, James.
Originally Posted by James@APS
Okay some information in regard to the CARB's question:
Here in Australia preliminary tests have already been carried out in regard to emissions and CARB standards with great results. Its at a point where APS is ready to start the physical testing in California, so that is all that is holding it back at the moment. I can't offer a date at this stage until further notice of the testing.
Thanks, James.
Here in Australia preliminary tests have already been carried out in regard to emissions and CARB standards with great results. Its at a point where APS is ready to start the physical testing in California, so that is all that is holding it back at the moment. I can't offer a date at this stage until further notice of the testing.
Thanks, James.
Originally Posted by Z BOY
aps, welcome back to the site. in my experience reading your posts, you have always taken the high road, and to me, that's class.
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Hi guys,
I better introduce myself, My name is James obviously, and i've just started with APS, and decided it would be very beneficial for both myself and you guys here on the forum if i contributed to the forum with information for your guys alongside, you guys giving us feedback. I'm not here to argue about products from APS and other manufacturers, i simply want to give you guys a means of direct contact when needed.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'taking the high road', but as mentioned above, i am here at your guys service with whatever information i can offer.
So please if you have any information or require any, don't hesitate to ask. I will be setting up an MSN messneger account specifically also, which will allow you guys to get in contact and chat real time regarding anything, of which i will post soon to inform people.
James.
I better introduce myself, My name is James obviously, and i've just started with APS, and decided it would be very beneficial for both myself and you guys here on the forum if i contributed to the forum with information for your guys alongside, you guys giving us feedback. I'm not here to argue about products from APS and other manufacturers, i simply want to give you guys a means of direct contact when needed.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'taking the high road', but as mentioned above, i am here at your guys service with whatever information i can offer.
So please if you have any information or require any, don't hesitate to ask. I will be setting up an MSN messneger account specifically also, which will allow you guys to get in contact and chat real time regarding anything, of which i will post soon to inform people.
James.
Originally Posted by Z BOY
dude just seems to cause trouble wherever he goes, and other haters collude with him. makes an uninformed decision and then blames everyone else. whata tool.
Better watch out, or he'll PM you threatening to kick your ***.
Originally Posted by James@APS
Hi guys,
Well i've just registered and spent a good 20 minutes reading and soaking in the many replies, oppinions and facts... and SOME has been great constructive feedback, but there is alot of stray posts.
For starters i don't really think the comparison to start with is entirely 'fair'? You are comparing a otherwise stock car fitted with a 'bolt-on' pre-tuned single turbo kit, as apposed to a vehicle fitted with a 'bolt-on' pre-tuned twin turbo kit ALONGSIDE several other modifications, that will dramatically affect the tune.
So with that in mind how can one expect that a tune based on a system with no other mod's is going to be 100% effective when there is other modifications affecting airflow that the tune is not catering for? One thing that is a positive to this that you are not giving credit for is that the car is running rich, a far cry better than leaning and causing drastic damage to an otherwise perfect car before hand. Yes no one likes to change plugs and waste fuel, but i know i'd rather be running rich and safe. SO.. with this in mind and remembering you know yourself that the vehicle specifications are not what the tune is designed for, i don't see why their is so much drama as seen in previous posts by some. You are dealing with modifying on a high scale... twin turbo-ing any car is a big step, as you should all know in the performance modification scene... by purchasing such a kit at such an expense, i don't see the drama with the small cost of a tune after wards to make sure 'YOU' are happy with the outcome, and that you are correctly evaluating the outcome. More to the point, anyone who carries out such modifications would be eager to see the figures on a dyno, then the tune should be checked anyway. This is vital not only to adjust the tune, but to check that the car is running 'safely', and isn't something that should be a choice, it should be mandatory for any decent modification to ANY car. It is stupid to sit back and complain when you havn't really assessed the situation in the proper manner. IF, and i say IF.. you are still dissapointed after a tune, then the feedback will be accpeted differently, and will have far more merrit to it, but i know for a fact you will be far from dissapointed with the results after tune.
But i do think this has been blown way out of proportion, give the underlying scenario that you have expected the impossible.
I will continue to imput on the forum, and please if you wish to contact me for any information i am happy to help out in any way possible.
- James.
Well i've just registered and spent a good 20 minutes reading and soaking in the many replies, oppinions and facts... and SOME has been great constructive feedback, but there is alot of stray posts.
For starters i don't really think the comparison to start with is entirely 'fair'? You are comparing a otherwise stock car fitted with a 'bolt-on' pre-tuned single turbo kit, as apposed to a vehicle fitted with a 'bolt-on' pre-tuned twin turbo kit ALONGSIDE several other modifications, that will dramatically affect the tune.
So with that in mind how can one expect that a tune based on a system with no other mod's is going to be 100% effective when there is other modifications affecting airflow that the tune is not catering for? One thing that is a positive to this that you are not giving credit for is that the car is running rich, a far cry better than leaning and causing drastic damage to an otherwise perfect car before hand. Yes no one likes to change plugs and waste fuel, but i know i'd rather be running rich and safe. SO.. with this in mind and remembering you know yourself that the vehicle specifications are not what the tune is designed for, i don't see why their is so much drama as seen in previous posts by some. You are dealing with modifying on a high scale... twin turbo-ing any car is a big step, as you should all know in the performance modification scene... by purchasing such a kit at such an expense, i don't see the drama with the small cost of a tune after wards to make sure 'YOU' are happy with the outcome, and that you are correctly evaluating the outcome. More to the point, anyone who carries out such modifications would be eager to see the figures on a dyno, then the tune should be checked anyway. This is vital not only to adjust the tune, but to check that the car is running 'safely', and isn't something that should be a choice, it should be mandatory for any decent modification to ANY car. It is stupid to sit back and complain when you havn't really assessed the situation in the proper manner. IF, and i say IF.. you are still dissapointed after a tune, then the feedback will be accpeted differently, and will have far more merrit to it, but i know for a fact you will be far from dissapointed with the results after tune.
But i do think this has been blown way out of proportion, give the underlying scenario that you have expected the impossible.
I will continue to imput on the forum, and please if you wish to contact me for any information i am happy to help out in any way possible.
- James.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Keep in mind all of his add ons were installed to lean out the car and have been proven to do so on other APS TT cars. The net result should have been much more power as airflow was increased without the Unichip being changed..Either way I agree some tuning should be done and as I have said this thread was a comparison of both kits OUT OF BOX with no tuning done. It just so happens the APS car had more mods...
Originally Posted by ccartwright
True, but we're not even sure everything was installed correctly.
Originally Posted by xxlbeerZ
True he self installed it, but he seems like a very intelligent individual with a ton of patience.
Unknown, but it's hard to find someone with an out of the box APS system since most everyone gets it installed and tuned at an authorized dealer.
I seem to remember SGP did an APS TT kit with out of the box tune and it ran fine @ over 400whp.
I seem to remember SGP did an APS TT kit with out of the box tune and it ran fine @ over 400whp.
MIA, couple of questions...
Are you running on 9 psi regularly now? or just for dyno purpose?
Any chance that you have the A/F graph @ 9 psi?
Do you have a overlay comparison with 8 to 9 psi?
I wanna know if its worth it to boost up...or if its safe for a stock internal.
Thanks
Are you running on 9 psi regularly now? or just for dyno purpose?
Any chance that you have the A/F graph @ 9 psi?
Do you have a overlay comparison with 8 to 9 psi?
I wanna know if its worth it to boost up...or if its safe for a stock internal.
Thanks
Originally Posted by Phatmitzu
MIA, couple of questions...
Are you running on 9 psi regularly now? or just for dyno purpose?
Any chance that you have the A/F graph @ 9 psi?
Do you have a overlay comparison with 8 to 9 psi?
I wanna know if its worth it to boost up...or if its safe for a stock internal.
Thanks
Are you running on 9 psi regularly now? or just for dyno purpose?
Any chance that you have the A/F graph @ 9 psi?
Do you have a overlay comparison with 8 to 9 psi?
I wanna know if its worth it to boost up...or if its safe for a stock internal.
Thanks
EDIT: Turbonetics ran their test car at 10 PSI and I think Speed Dreams ran their car at 14 PSI with the regular kit and custom flash...
