TURBONECTICS KIT blows my vq@8psI
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Originally Posted by Zivman
It seems like trouble with the TN setups comes in small waves Bad Rod Bearing
I agree a motor doesn't let go for no reason, but I personally think it comes back to the completeness of a setup. Even if he had a wideband AFR, unless he paid the money for a tunable EMS, all he could do is watch his AFRs and not drive the car if they were dangerous or attempt a second, or third reflash. He was lead to believe this kit was safe out of box - and yes, safe is a relative term - and yes, it very well could have been install related, but that doesn't change the fact he is pricing out a new motor and staring some downtime in the face.
As everyone has stated, get a second set of quotes on those prices. I know you could build two motors for that price and still have some money left over.
Good luck on the build and high HP
I agree a motor doesn't let go for no reason, but I personally think it comes back to the completeness of a setup. Even if he had a wideband AFR, unless he paid the money for a tunable EMS, all he could do is watch his AFRs and not drive the car if they were dangerous or attempt a second, or third reflash. He was lead to believe this kit was safe out of box - and yes, safe is a relative term - and yes, it very well could have been install related, but that doesn't change the fact he is pricing out a new motor and staring some downtime in the face.
As everyone has stated, get a second set of quotes on those prices. I know you could build two motors for that price and still have some money left over.
Good luck on the build and high HP
If you get your car dyno tuned and it is dead on, you can't take it on the streets and expect there not to be inconsistencies. You still need some way to monitor for any problems that might arise. The *same* goes for the reflash. You put it on the dyno, ensure everything is running properly, and then put it on the street and keep an eye on your gauges to make sure nothing changes.
Basically, if he did the right thing and put it on the dyno for safety reasons, he should have never been boosting on the road if his car wasn't running within safe limits.
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That sucks to hear dude. But for those that think this Z was otherwise stock you are pretty wrong. Tilton flywheel and clutch, Nismo exhaust, Not sure what else. But as hard as this car was raced a Wideband should absolutely have been installed. I'd be burious to see what the REAL cause is. Lets face it with over 250 kits shipped so far and all failures being associated to something apart from the kit you can keep calling it unreliable all day but the numbers speak for themselves.
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There is more to the story. Having a kit that costs over $5k and an engine that costs about the same and not having a $300 wideband and $250 boost gauge to monitor everything is not the smartest course of action. But what do I know I'm on my second built motor.
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Originally Posted by solidsnake
i got wideband and boost gauge. what others do you guys recommend to make sure the car is running safe. i still have the reflash but soon to have the emanage ultimate tuned by sgp.
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I'm all for performance shops making a profit, but I think most shops that sub-out their machining work charge a HUGE mark-up. He should be able to negotiate a much better deal on this buildup. There are more manufacturers to choose from and more competition than just a year ago. I've also noticed a lot of unused parts for sale on the forum lately at reduced prices.....
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by RB26DETT-Z33
my friend Aki from AIM corp in HB for all you who were at the performance nissan meet he was the japanese dude with the 900whp r32 gtr.
so he is your friend and he is raping you like this on these prices?!?
I guess since he is japanese and has an r32 its all god, right
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When it comes down to it its just a matter of time whether its 10k miles or 20k miles the stock Vq35 rods were not designed to handle boost. Air fuel ratio gauges are nice tuning tools but are not going to save your motor when it wants to go. I had around 15k miles with boost on my motor used vp109 each time I knew my engine was going to be pushed hard and it still went. I know someone who has a supra 2jz powered with AEM EMS tuned with wideband hooked up and the engine still went.The bottom line is each engine has its own limits. once you push a stock engine beyond its limits the clock starts ticking and it may happen when you least expect it. Please don't keep your head in the sand for your own good if you want reliability with boost you need to build.
In regards to my ecu im going to be using Hks fcon vpro with knock amp. this time I plan on a safe 500rwhp.
In regards to my ecu im going to be using Hks fcon vpro with knock amp. this time I plan on a safe 500rwhp.
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Originally Posted by RB26DETT-Z33
When it comes down to it its just a matter of time whether its 10k miles or 20k miles the stock Vq35 rods were not designed to handle boost. Air fuel ratio gauges are nice tuning tools but are not going to save your motor when it wants to go. I had around 15k miles with boost on my motor used vp109 each time I knew my engine was going to be pushed hard and it still went. I know someone who has a supra 2jz powered with AEM EMS tuned with wideband hooked up and the engine still went.The bottom line is each engine has its own limits. once you push a stock engine beyond its limits the clock starts ticking and it may happen when you least expect it. Please don't keep your head in the sand for your own good if you want reliability with boost you need to build.
In regards to my ecu im going to be using Hks fcon vpro with knock amp. this time I plan on a safe 500rwhp.
In regards to my ecu im going to be using Hks fcon vpro with knock amp. this time I plan on a safe 500rwhp.
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I haven't had a wideband AF gauge for the entire FI life of my G35 (supercharger and then twin turbos). Over 25k miles and no problems whatsoever. It's all about the tune, you shouldn't have to keep an eye on the AF ratio.
Getting a reflash is a bandaid solution, if you want to do this right, get a boost sensing piggyback ECU, and a decent fuel system.
Getting a reflash is a bandaid solution, if you want to do this right, get a boost sensing piggyback ECU, and a decent fuel system.
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Originally Posted by narkotic
Getting a reflash is a bandaid solution, if you want to do this right, get a boost sensing piggyback ECU, and a decent fuel system.
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Originally Posted by narkotic
I haven't had a wideband AF gauge for the entire FI life of my G35 (supercharger and then twin turbos). Over 25k miles and no problems whatsoever. It's all about the tune, you shouldn't have to keep an eye on the AF ratio.
Getting a reflash is a bandaid solution, if you want to do this right, get a boost sensing piggyback ECU, and a decent fuel system.
Getting a reflash is a bandaid solution, if you want to do this right, get a boost sensing piggyback ECU, and a decent fuel system.
With the reflash you know what you're going to get. In some cases the particular motor might react differently for various reasons, but usually these problems are due to issues with the install of the kit and/or unforeseen modifications. At this point I'd agree that one should go with an EMS of some sorts.
You're also not correct about the AFR gauge. In a system as complex as a forced induction motor, there are MANY points of possible failure. AFR and EGT are a great insight to monitor the health of your setup. There is no way to tune in preparation for the multitude of possible failures and problems. To say that because you have a great tune you won't have any issues is simply irrational.
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Originally Posted by taurran
. To say that because you have a great tune you won't have any issues is simply irrational.
It is situatons like this that make people question the reliability of a reflash. Yes, some get tons of miles out of a reflashed setup. That said, threads like this are not uncommon. Everything else a side, I have much more faith in a custom tune via a unichip, EU, utec, or whatever vs a reflash for a Z setup. If the Z came boosted from the factory, it might be a different story.
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Originally Posted by Zivman
Saying you won't have issues may not be realistic, but with a great tune you are less likely to have issues. Everyone has their thoughts on a reflash vs a custom tuned tunable EMS and I would think the consensus would be in favor of running a custom tune via tunable EMS over a somewhat generic reflash.
I'm not saying that the reflash is BETTER than a tunable ems by any means, but it definitely isn't a bad thing. The reflash is a great base tune in a controlled system. Once you start changing components of said system and take it out of the threshold of adjustment that the ECU can compensate for, then you will run into problems. That's the point when a tunable ems or a new reflash is required.
It's unfortunate that people blame ANY and EVERY issue they have with their car on the reflash. 90% of the time this simply isn't the case.
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I don't know about pushing my car hard every day my friends like Sakred can testify how much I babied it. When I first had the kit installed yea I had some fun but in the past few months I took it easy. Honestly it was a surprise that the engine just randomly went boom and it was't the tilton I had the nismo clutch and flywheel installed 2months ago. Too much duty cycle on the injectors its a possibility. well it happened Im building and im going to put it behind me and will look back at it as a experience.
as I get pictures I will show everyone what the stock vq looks like inside. MIAPLAYA I would have to agree driving style does effect wear and tear on your motor. I dint put the turbo on my z to tell everyone im turbo I wanted to feel the boost im guilty of that
as I get pictures I will show everyone what the stock vq looks like inside. MIAPLAYA I would have to agree driving style does effect wear and tear on your motor. I dint put the turbo on my z to tell everyone im turbo I wanted to feel the boost im guilty of that
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Originally Posted by RB26DETT-Z33
I don't know about pushing my car hard every day my friends like Sakred can testify how much I babied it. When I first had the kit installed yea I had some fun but in the past few months I took it easy. Honestly it was a surprise that the engine just randomly went boom and it was't the tilton I had the nismo clutch and flywheel installed 2months ago. To much duty cycle on the injectors its a possibility. well it happened Im building and im going to put it behind me and will look back at it as a experience.
as I get pictures I will show everyone what the stock vq looks like inside. MIAPLAYA I would have to agree driving style does effect wear and tear on your motor. I dint put the turbo on my z to tell everyone im turbo I wanted to feel the boost im guilty of that
as I get pictures I will show everyone what the stock vq looks like inside. MIAPLAYA I would have to agree driving style does effect wear and tear on your motor. I dint put the turbo on my z to tell everyone im turbo I wanted to feel the boost im guilty of that
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once again I'll say:
motors don't throw rods for no reason.
if anything, from the power, your pistons would have been the first casualties.
I think you missed an oil change somewhere, or ran low on oil, and that starvation caused you to throw the rods. Other than that, it doesn't just decide to throw a rod when you're driving normally if you didn't screw anything up.
longevity isn't the argument here. I could go on all day on how you can treat a motor right, boost it, still maintain it properly, and not have one issue with it. Issues come up when normal maintenance is ignored.
motors don't throw rods for no reason.
if anything, from the power, your pistons would have been the first casualties.
I think you missed an oil change somewhere, or ran low on oil, and that starvation caused you to throw the rods. Other than that, it doesn't just decide to throw a rod when you're driving normally if you didn't screw anything up.
longevity isn't the argument here. I could go on all day on how you can treat a motor right, boost it, still maintain it properly, and not have one issue with it. Issues come up when normal maintenance is ignored.