I think its funny how everyone bashes the designs of turbo kits. Does anyone know what kind of space constraints these companies are working with? Plus trying to make it idiot proof while keeping cost reasonable and trying to meet certain goals like CARB. I'm sure every company would have done something different if they had a different end goal.

Hell with all these awesome ideas for the PERFECT kit, why don't yall start making some b/c it will surely outsell anything on the market. A kit that has an awesome EMS, complete fuel system that can support 1200bhp and idle like stock, turbos that spool fast and flow 65lb/min all with really short intake/exhaust piping, etc... all for under $7000.

Get started.

I'm not out here to stick up for Turbonectics or APS I have my own opinions about them that I will keep to myself but some of you need to take into consideration what you are saying. If you don't like a kit, then omg don't buy it. If you know the kit is incomplete but buy it anyways then don't bash it for being incomplete. If you are willing to have an argument over the INTERNET that involves nothing but bashing, then I hope to god you have some good ideas on how to fix the problems instead of just *****ing.

 

Finally someone who understands what design parameters and targets are..

 

+1

 

Every turbo kit on the market is "flawed" in some way. Way to explain the obvious. There is no "perfect" kit directly from any manufacturer.

I would say the APS extreme kit is as close as it comes, but I consider its price its major "flaw".

We can all go through and list flaws of every kit on the market, but we all know neither ST kit is anywhere close to being perfect or ideal. So why bother?

 

I would like to know as well for the benifit of all. Any one else who had the APS ST kit installed by MRC, are you experiencing Boost Drop? I can honestly say I am not, and I don't think I am alone.

 

 

Well said!!!!!

 

I think it's a bargain, considering it comes with one hell of a complete fuel system for that price. Face it; it's the daddy of all fuel systems that are available at this point w/o going custom.

 

i dont think it comes with the fuel system, does it? if so it is a good price.

 

It comes with the fuel system and the 3.5" downpipes. Definitely a good price.

 

wow, then it definitely is a good price. all you have to provide is management.

 

Do you think a divorced wastegate would have helped?

 

You only say that because Z owners are used to being bent over and raped by the markup on our aftermarket parts. They've trained us quite well.

 

There is some truth to that, but that said, factor in all your get and it is a good price for all that is included. You are getting a $2K fuel system in that price. Before you say that is way too much for a fuel system, price out what you get in that system. Local to me setup a full return style for his drag car and it ran him $1600 for a 4 cylinder motor and included only a single fuel pump and did not include the assembly like the APS does. No matter what way you look at it, 2 grand is still 2 grand, but just need to put things into perspective. Nothing is cheap these days

 

Unless the "shift kit" is not a simplified term for "valve body upgrade", you got that right, just using it as an example... One of the reasons I decided to switch from a Z to a GTO was the difference in performance part prices...

 

I hope you dont really believe that, Craig. Most shops are lucky to make an average 10%-12% margin on their parts sales, after CC fees, and free shipping and such. I dont call that a raping.

 

sharif maby not retail but the parts companies themselves 440cc injectors - $4-500 for 6 and 220 for for 8 for a mudstain?

 

Absolutely. The manufacturer always makes a great profit percentage on the sales. Bt this is only fair, as their capital investment, and R&D expense is enormous. After you allocate overhead and other expenses, the manufacturer's operating profit is actually very mild.

The devil is in the details....always.

 

Not trying to fuel the argument, but Mia wanted to know if there is anyone with APS ST pushing ~450whp. Yes. Joedirt.

 

I'm sure there are. But for 30k miles? Out of box as MRC stated?