Update on the Brian Crower Stroker kit.
06-13-2007, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by InjectedPerf
I don't remember if we video'ed the car on the dyno. The car ran, went to a bunch of HIN car shows then a customer needed a motor so we pulled it so he could finish a car. We tested the Magnetti Marelli and got it to work flawlessly with VCT and DBW. Now Marelli doesn't want anything to do with the import market (at least that is what I was told)
The reason AEBS shut down, from what I have been told by a friend of the owners, is he is doing so well with his two go cart tracks and Paulis doesn't work there anymore so he shut down.
I really don't think I need footage of my car running to prove a point that it worked. There are enough people that saw it run to prove it if need be.
The reason AEBS shut down, from what I have been told by a friend of the owners, is he is doing so well with his two go cart tracks and Paulis doesn't work there anymore so he shut down.
I really don't think I need footage of my car running to prove a point that it worked. There are enough people that saw it run to prove it if need be.
Im not doubting you at all. But IP, is the only one, to have the AEBS and BC to run fault free
06-13-2007, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by InjectedPerf
I don't remember if we video'ed the car on the dyno. The car ran, went to a bunch of HIN car shows then a customer needed a motor so we pulled it so he could finish a car.
Do you happen to have a girlfriend from Canada you met in summer camp??
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the Magnetti Marelli and got it to work flawlessly with VCT and DBW. Now Marelli doesn't want anything to do with the import market (at least that is what I was told)
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The reason AEBS shut down, from what I have been told by a friend of the owners, is he is doing so well with his two go cart tracks and Paulis doesn't work there anymore so he shut down.
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I really don't think I need footage of my car running to prove a point that it worked. There are enough people that saw it run to prove it if need be.
06-13-2007, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Uh huh..Sure... Do you happen to have a girlfriend from Canada you met in summer camp??
Do you happen to have a girlfriend from Canada you met in summer camp??
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Or did the import market want nothing to do with Magnetti Marreli for a $10,000 price tag?
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Succesful businesses dont shut down to run Go Kart tracks..
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Well...The footage would back up the claims.
06-13-2007, 01:46 PM
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No offense to Sam or Julian, but I still don't call a couple of GTM stroker kits "proven." Sorry, to bust anyone's bubbles or break up a nut-swing fest for GTM, but "proven" to me is a hell of a lot more than 2 or 3 advertised cars. Show me 10-20 cars a year from now with NO issues and strong dyno graphs and I'll join the party. 'Til then I'm on the fence...
As for personal experience, my brother owned and drove a 3.4L BC stroked '96 Supra for 4 years and put down over 840rwhp. After personally taking it down the freeway in SoCal 3 years after it was built, I could fine NOTHING wrong with the car... He sold it a few years later, but never had one problem with it. That's what I think when I call something "proven."
As for personal experience, my brother owned and drove a 3.4L BC stroked '96 Supra for 4 years and put down over 840rwhp. After personally taking it down the freeway in SoCal 3 years after it was built, I could fine NOTHING wrong with the car... He sold it a few years later, but never had one problem with it. That's what I think when I call something "proven."
06-13-2007, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by InjectedPerf
BC should have done a build on their own, if they didn't, to fix any headaches that Julian is having now. GTM did this as they have a fully functional shop, machine shop, mechanics, etc.
but this is what i agree the most....
06-13-2007, 01:55 PM
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Injected might have been the excpetion, which I dont see why, since MRC had to motify theirs to run accordingly. So either two things are happening:
1) someones lying to support BC stroker kit
2) someones telling the truth and they do have to modify it.
The BC stroker kits, that were release awhile back, turned out to be dissapointing, since knowone could install them without issues. My point being, this is their second time coming and they should have taken the steps, to ensure everyone of fault free install. MRC basically did there work for them, which they shouldnt have to do. They lost money and valuable time, modifying this expensive kit.
Until I hear of others running a BC stroker, I will continue to disregard there kit.
1) someones lying to support BC stroker kit
2) someones telling the truth and they do have to modify it.
The BC stroker kits, that were release awhile back, turned out to be dissapointing, since knowone could install them without issues. My point being, this is their second time coming and they should have taken the steps, to ensure everyone of fault free install. MRC basically did there work for them, which they shouldnt have to do. They lost money and valuable time, modifying this expensive kit.
Until I hear of others running a BC stroker, I will continue to disregard there kit.
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06-13-2007, 02:16 PM
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No offense to Sam or Julian, but I still don't call a couple of GTM stroker kits "proven." Sorry, to bust anyone's bubbles or break up a nut-swing fest for GTM, but "proven" to me is a hell of a lot more than 2 or 3 advertised cars. Show me 10-20 cars a year from now with NO issues and strong dyno graphs and I'll join the party. 'Til then I'm on the fence...
As for personal experience, my brother owned and drove a 3.4L BC stroked '96 Supra for 4 years and put down over 840rwhp. After personally taking it down the freeway in SoCal 3 years after it was built, I could fine NOTHING wrong with the car... He sold it a few years later, but never had one problem with it. That's what I think when I call something "proven."
As for personal experience, my brother owned and drove a 3.4L BC stroked '96 Supra for 4 years and put down over 840rwhp. After personally taking it down the freeway in SoCal 3 years after it was built, I could fine NOTHING wrong with the car... He sold it a few years later, but never had one problem with it. That's what I think when I call something "proven."
.it does not work that way when building an engine or making a crankshaft from scratch p.s
will deliver 4 cars in the next 4-6 weeks with our STROKER engines ,that will make it 14 proven
STROKER engine worldwide .Sam
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06-13-2007, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam@GTM
And we were the one who was trying to install the kit for a sema car, and let me tell you it was not even close
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WOW
. Congrats GTM.
06-13-2007, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by InjectedPerf
If Ben can sit back and watch a bunch of kids go around and make money hand over fist instead of bicker with technicians, customer, etc., it might be a good idea to go that route.
06-13-2007, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam@GTM
...will deliver 4 cars in the next 4-6 weeks with our STROKER engines ,that will make it 14 proven STROKER engine worldwide.
Sam
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STROKER engine worldwide.Sam
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... J/K For the record, I'm not trying to debate what you guys are doing for the community. Brent's a good friend of mine and I'm extremely impressed with the level his car is at with the power plant that you guys provided. I'm just not as easily swayed by new things these days... Too many flash in the pan products come and go in this industry without ever really "proving" it can last.Congrats on getting your stroker kits out there so quickly. So when are we going to see 1000+rwhp from you guys?
(Just bustin' your chops 
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06-13-2007, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
I want to go ahead and say this whole ordeal has been a PITA thus far...We need to remove the oil squirters, however you NEED to utilize a hex head "SET Screw" that sits flush with the block, or the rod bolts only clear by 10 thousandths..
However the thread pitch we need are a very uncommon one..Brian Crower sent us 12x.25x12 mm screws, and the thread we need is way finer that that..I am beginning to wonder if Brian Crower has even done one of these motors yet
I honestly am starting to get angry with having to do their R&D for them..
However the thread pitch we need are a very uncommon one..Brian Crower sent us 12x.25x12 mm screws, and the thread we need is way finer that that..I am beginning to wonder if Brian Crower has even done one of these motors yet I honestly am starting to get angry with having to do their R&D for them..
Damn good thread so far. How about this...if it isn't too late, document everything like writing a how to. Contact Crower about their product and make them a proposal. Keep all receipt, add in your time and some fluff and come up with a number. Maybe even throw in a very small percentage of royalties for yourself. haha.
06-13-2007, 03:37 PM
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will deliver 4 cars in the next 4-6 weeks with our STROKER engines ,that will make it 14 proven
Sam, post some dyno when you are done, then you can make my car # 15.
Sam, post some dyno when you are done, then you can make my car # 15.
j/k Check out the link in my sig for dyno graph and video of our 855RWHP 4.24L GTM Stroked 350Z -George
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06-13-2007, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TENGAI
No offense to Sam or Julian, but I still don't call a couple of GTM stroker kits "proven." That's what I think when I call something "proven."
They have been waiting on their ECU for 2 months..From where, MARS? lol...
06-13-2007, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Well I guess the fact that Injected has not even "fired up" their BC stroker kit, even with some stock injectors and ECU just to see if it turns freely, then the BC is not "PROVEN" also..
They have been waiting on their ECU for 2 months..From where, MARS? lol...
They have been waiting on their ECU for 2 months..From where, MARS? lol...
I agree that the free "R&D" for BC that you and your shop's done is bs. Thanks are due for posting up your findings and sharing with the community. Hopefully other shops can avoid the issues if they run into the same problems. Even better, some QC from the guys at BC to avoid this from happening again...
06-13-2007, 07:19 PM
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The problem with stroking the VQ or any import motor for that issue is the lack of room inside the engines itself.Everything is VERY tight...Look inside an old bigblock Chevy motor, you have alot more room to operate within.
Like anything this is trial and error, we are not giving up, and this car will run within a week or two if it kills me..The power we are shooting for is modest and we did not opt to sleeve the engine, as were only shooting for 550-575 hp...We just wanted something different for the customer for him to be able to brag about..
Like anything this is trial and error, we are not giving up, and this car will run within a week or two if it kills me..The power we are shooting for is modest and we did not opt to sleeve the engine, as were only shooting for 550-575 hp...We just wanted something different for the customer for him to be able to brag about..
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
The problem with stroking the VQ or any import motor for that issue is the lack of room inside the engines itself.Everything is VERY tight...Look inside an old bigblock Chevy motor, you have alot more room to operate within.
Like anything this is trial and error, we are not giving up, and this car will run within a week or two if it kills me..The power we are shooting for is modest and we did not opt to sleeve the engine, as were only shooting for 550-575 hp...We just wanted something different for the customer for him to be able to brag about..
Like anything this is trial and error, we are not giving up, and this car will run within a week or two if it kills me..The power we are shooting for is modest and we did not opt to sleeve the engine, as were only shooting for 550-575 hp...We just wanted something different for the customer for him to be able to brag about..
If one were to dupilcate the same process, what would be the total you would charge for the same setup? Just for the shortblock and installation. Thanx
06-13-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by turismo
If one were to dupilcate the same process, what would be the total you would charge for the same setup? Just for the shortblock and installation. Thanx
Honestly, Im starting to be convinced the VQ has more RPM potential than displacement potential. The longer stroke and more displacement are not condusive to making high RPM motors, generally. Were leaning towards a 100mm piston made as light as possible, stock stroke,loose bearings, lightened crank,Titanium valve train and a set of silly stupid cams..Then rev the $hit out of the motor and see what happens. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
About the same $$$$$ as the GTM stroker Honestly, Im starting to be convinced the VQ has more RPM potential than displacement potential. The longer stroke and more displacement are not condusive to making high RPM motors, generally. Were leaning towards a 100mm piston made as light as possible, stock stroke,loose bearings, lightened crank,Titanium valve train and a set of silly stupid cams..Then rev the $hit out of the motor and see what happens.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Honestly, Im starting to be convinced the VQ has more RPM potential than displacement potential. The longer stroke and more displacement are not condusive to making high RPM motors, generally. Were leaning towards a 100mm piston made as light as possible, stock stroke,loose bearings, lightened crank,Titanium valve train and a set of silly stupid cams..Then rev the $hit out of the motor and see what happens. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Sounds like a nice plan.