IIQuickSilverII

iTrader: (13)

lol lets not go that far... i just wanna know besides the probablyt 250 what are teh otehr costs involveed in this mod...

go-fast

i dont know who deleted their post at 118,but man it sure made my next post sound off ,i guess lesson learned... post the quote!

Alberto

iTrader: (14)

All that mumbling and you end with what I bolded above We all know by now Jeremy likes to do things differently, and does them for cheaper than most shops. This now has all the FL guys and espeically you in every thread talking about being original and this and that and how your not spending $20K on a build. Good for you Craig, we'll see how that ST does on the dyno and the track, until then, stop acting like Jeremy is the only person who does good things for the community. Not everybody has a hookup nearby, not everybody wants to be a test mule for a ST "monster" they want proven parts. I can also understand both sides, but go-fast was out of line in how he brought up his point. At the end of the day if you can get a fan shroud from Jeremy or anybody for less than $250 then go for it, to anybody here with a built block $250 aint $hit. And your comment about "we are conditioned" to pay high prices? Im not even going to get into that. Go look at the price for an E46 M3's parts or FI and tell me you think of that.

Damn this post took a dump, Craig I dont mean to offend you, but you chose to quote me above your grand explanation that Z owners pay good $$ for good parts, so I responded...

Alberto

iTrader: (14)

You need to chill out on trying to figure out Vendor's costs like you stated above. If your that **** about deciding if a $250 fan shroud is worth it to you, you shouldnt even build your car, you'd cry at the cost. Let me ask you, are you over at Intense nickle and diming them for cheap a$$ parts on your new ST when that kit gets released? Prolly not because its something you want to do, a direction you want to continue with your car so you justify it and likely dont contemplate "what is the actual cost of the kit? am I getting a good deal? etc etc". You spend thousands and are over here posting...

Sorry Quicksilver, I like you but your posts here today have failed...go get Intense to make you a $150 fan shroud or better yet make it out of playdough and zipties for $10 and save a ton of $$$$

taurran

iTrader: (18)

Go back and read my post to see if it mentions Jeremy ONCE...

Quit trying to make every thread into a shop vs shop or a tt vs st debate. This has absolutely nothing to do with shop vs shop. It has to do with the community in general. So please, spare me that drama.

You're not talking about a BMW or european parts, you're talking about american made custom parts for a $20k japenese import. Besides, the only difference between making custom parts for these cars is the demographic which they're being sold to. Do you know anything about economics or supply and demand? As long as the FI Z owner demographic is willing to pay what they are currently, that is where the prices will stand.

I look forward to the day we have more "used car owners" willing to do their own "hack jobs". It will only expand our options and make for a better community, no matter what you pay.

IIQuickSilverII

iTrader: (13)

^^ not easy to get toa mid point "point of view i guess"


HAHAH dammed... ok...so who knows the cost fo the fans...? 250 for the shourd... lets say 1.5-2 hours install....
the price migth be good... lol

i can see 250 being the cost that the customer paid since its custom... should be a bit cheaper if this part is mass produced? like by a machine shop sharif(jsut an idea)...you already did the prototype which looks like a good piece!

IIQuickSilverII

iTrader: (13)

u need to chill out maing...just cause i can dump 250 doesnt mean i am not going to check into the quality and worth of parts...

no need to go out on a tangent... ill leave it at that i dont need an argument with you.

Alberto

iTrader: (14)

Go re-read you rpost, its 20 lines of BS, 2 lines of truth, and Im the drama queen? This isnt a shop vs shop debate I like both PF and Forged, Im not trying to discuss the St vs TT either, but all the things you say about originality and low costs all point to one person. Most every thread you feel the need to tell the world what I said above-and without saying Jeremy we know who your talking about, it gets old

roncfpz

iTrader: (15)

I agree. Really, WTF is this debate all about..... $100? If you spent the time *****ing and moaning about prices, on making money instead, the $100 for a quality product from a quality shop will NOT matter.

Furthermore, go-fast.....if you felt Sharif was being condescending by all means send him a PM and lets keep the thread on topic.

taurran

iTrader: (18)

I agree. The shroud looks like it would be worth the $250, but once you work out all of the fans, relays, and wiring, it gets up there.

I'd be positive you really need the extra cooling power before you jump into it.

Have we determined if this actually helps while the car is moving?

MIAPLAYA

iTrader: (3)

The honest truth is that every community thinks "their" parts are over priced. This sentiment is as old as cars. I have to admit when I bought my Z and started looking at parts prices I was floored. I went from the SE-R crowd where an intake was $100 to the Z where JUST THE POP CHARGER was $100. Exhaust prices for a full catback were $500 MAX and here good luck with that search. But its a side affect of the owners and vendors in the end. The higher you go up the food chain in vehicle costs the more income (obviously) owners have to spend on parts. The industry isn't stupid. They are going to price accordingly. You go market a $7,000 turbo kit to the Hyundai crowd and they are going to laugh in your face. Here its damn near standard. Granted some parts are going to cost more. R&D costs, quality, etc are all going to come into play. The difference between the Z and other communities is that even today the Z is a relative newb in aftermarket parts. We are struggling to find more then one full stand alone thats truely reliable while other cars have 5-10 available. Because of that people producing parts HAVE to charge more because they are breaking new ground. Development costs money and its going to be reflected in the finished goods price. In 10 years the Z will be much more like Honda, 240, SE-R crowd and parts will be cheaper as the age and income segment for the Z will move down and people won't be willing to pay these prices. Additionally manufacturers will begin copying what was successful in the past and then selling it for cheaper. Why? Because they didn't have to spend a dime on R&D. It was paid for them by the company they are copying. That in the end is what drives prices so low in other communities. The standard for reliable quality parts was set long ago by other companies and while they made their R&D money back copy cat parts showed up and the original companies have to lower their prices to compete. In the end I still feel the Z community is just a bit inflated on pricing for certain items. I haven't seen prices drop since I've been here on pretty much anything. Quality and reliability have improved for sure but the price point has remained. I would expect the trend to continue for some time. Eventually the VQ like the small block 350 and B series motors before it will become an open book and parts prices will have to drop as copy cats start running around. Until then I don't mind paying top dollar for quality parts because I don't own my car 10 years from now I own it today. But there must be a limit to what everyone finds reasonable. If you feel the cost for the part is unwarranted find another one. If you can make your own thats just as effective good, do it. But if you can't make it, and you can't find a reasonable alternative then pay to play. Speed is money, how fast do you want to go?

taurran

iTrader: (18)

LOL, it has nothing to do with Jeremy. Thanks for making an assumption, sorry to break it to you but it is incorrect. The fact that you're trying to cop out and turn it into an argument gets old!

I was moreso referring to guys doing custom builds in their own home. This forum sucks in the respect that if anyone does somoething that's not "shop" or "sponsor" related it gets totally trashed. So what if this guy thinks he can do it for less? If he does it, more power to him.

Alberto

iTrader: (14)

I guess the car wasnt moving when going around the track

IIQuickSilverII

iTrader: (13)

so why bring it up???


you jumped the gun attackign me going of many different direction liek if i was attackign sharif d00d

my whole poitn is... you make a cusotm plenum spacer it woudl cost lets say 250 bucks... you mass produce it and the cost is 150...
so i was jsut wondered what woudl the cost be if this is sold as a kit... nto the same price as if every piece is custom made... thats it... if its worth it ok... no need for you to act like that as you have in the past with yoru attacks

taurran

iTrader: (18)

I didn't read that post, but thanks for pointing it out. The attitude that came with it was a nice bonus too.

Alberto

iTrader: (14)

If he or anybody else can do it for less good, then they should go do it, people bashing the price is weak. Most any shop can produce a shroud, Im sure its been done, thing is they dont post findings-other shops havent posted dyno and track results, they keep their shrouds to their shop cars and dont care about the community. Then comes Sharif does what I said above and gets crap about the price from some guy that thinks the price is high with people agreeing. Dont like it? Dont buy it, its that simple...

taurran

iTrader: (18)

I agree. Then again, I never bashed the price. I agree with both conseumer perspectives, but I think one is better for the advancement of the aftermarket of this car than the other.

It is that simple, but that wasn't what I was debating with my original post.

roncfpz

iTrader: (15)

Exactly, but then he doesn't need to bash another shop for their supposed "high" price.

iStan

iTrader: (29)

Honestly, if you think a $250 fan shroud is expensive in the grand scheme of things, you're in for a trip. If I didn't just receive my new fan (also a time restraint) i'd be all over this.

Sharif@Forged

iTrader: (92)

Go back and reread my original comment to you. I say you CAN make one yourself if you choose. That was it. Then you had to start digging in, and not really sure what your motivation is here.

Have a nice day.