Originally Posted by taurran

I was responding to Alberto's attitude that you shouldn't be modding a car if you care about money.

Originally Posted by taurran

Ron - I agree, I have no idea who the guy was who was bashing. I was responding to Alberto's attitude that you shouldn't be modding a car if you care about money.

Yeah, but you know how things add up. $100 here $50 there, the next thing you know you're spending $1000 more than you should. That, to me, is a brand new audio receiver, new couch, or a brand new PC. There's a big difference in perspective here.

Originally Posted by Alberto

I didnt say it like that. I said if your complaining about a quality fan shroud that costs $250 then you need to find a new hobby, you pay to play, some like to pay 1/2 and get 1/2 the product then they "laugh" at those that pay for good parts.

Originally Posted by buzzardmountain

Here lately, every time I come to the FI forums, it feels as if I've stepped foot onto some alternate planet in some far away galaxy in the far stretches of the universe.

Does anyone here not realize, it doesn't matter if Sharif sells this piece for $250, $1,000, or $1,000,000........as a buyer in our economy, the buyer has the choice to buy or not to buy a product. It's really remarkable if you think about it.

You have the choice to buy something. If you want to debate the costs associated with fabricating a custom shroud, have the courtesy and start your own thread and talk to yourself.

I don't think Sharif has a gun pointed at anyone forcing them to buy this product.....especially some noob that's doing nothing more than trolling these forums.

If I were Sharif instead of pointing a gun and making people buy this shroud, I'd point it at the ****'s taking this thread off topic. Oh no....did I say that out loud? See what happens when you step foot into bizzaro world and onto planet "whiny b!tch".

Originally Posted by buzzardmountain

Here lately, every time I come to the FI forums, it feels as if I've stepped foot onto some alternate planet in some far away galaxy in the far stretches of the universe.

Does anyone here not realize, it doesn't matter if Sharif sells this piece for $250, $1,000, or $1,000,000........as a buyer in our economy, the buyer has the choice to buy or not to buy a product. It's really remarkable if you think about it.

You have the choice to buy something. If you want to debate the costs associated with fabricating a custom shroud, have the courtesy and start your own thread and talk to yourself.

I don't think Sharif has a gun pointed at anyone forcing them to buy this product.....especially some noob that's doing nothing more than trolling these forums.

If I were Sharif instead of pointing a gun and making people buy this shroud, I'd point it at the ****'s taking this thread off topic. Oh no....did I say that out loud? See what happens when you step foot into bizzaro world and onto planet "whiny b!tch".

Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged

Taurran, you are 100% right, and that I ONLY suggest this shroud to guys that have overheating issues, particularly guys that track their cars. If you 1/4 mile your car, or drive it on the street, you really dont need this fan/shroud setup, although a cooler engine is a happier engine, regardless of use. Our cars are cruising around in the sub 180F range, instead of 200F during the hot summer months.

Originally Posted by roncfpz

You stated it better than I, Robin.

Originally Posted by buzzardmountain

I have a sense there's a Democrat or two in these forums.

Originally Posted by buzzardmountain

Jesus Christ.....have I lost my mind?

Some people will never be happy. He could charge $20 for this and I swear to god....someone would b!tch that it wasn't $10......

As a business owner myself....some people will never be satisfied.

Don't like the product? Don't buy it.....

Don't like the price? Don't buy it....

Don't like the way it's welded? Don't buy it.....

Don't know if it's a benefit? Don't buy it.....

It's your money......spend your money.....don't try to spend someone elses. I have a sense there's a Democrat or two in these forums.

Originally Posted by roncfpz

Noooooooooooooooo! They'll want me to pay for their parts.

Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII

ok now its seriously getting OTed

Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII

ok now its seriously getting OTed

Originally Posted by taurran

Anyway, I think you're the only one still arguing anything..........

Originally Posted by roncfpz

Sharif can offer 2 shrouds; the Democrat and the Republican shroud.

The Democrat shroud is free and is paid for from tax dollars from the wealthy.

The Republican shroud is $250 but you get a tax deduction for the cost.

See, now we are all happy.

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

The honest truth is that every community thinks "their" parts are over priced. This sentiment is as old as cars. I have to admit when I bought my Z and started looking at parts prices I was floored. I went from the SE-R crowd where an intake was $100 to the Z where JUST THE POP CHARGER was $100. Exhaust prices for a full catback were $500 MAX and here good luck with that search. But its a side affect of the owners and vendors in the end. The higher you go up the food chain in vehicle costs the more income (obviously) owners have to spend on parts. The industry isn't stupid. They are going to price accordingly. You go market a $7,000 turbo kit to the Hyundai crowd and they are going to laugh in your face. Here its damn near standard. Granted some parts are going to cost more. R&D costs, quality, etc are all going to come into play. The difference between the Z and other communities is that even today the Z is a relative newb in aftermarket parts. We are struggling to find more then one full stand alone thats truely reliable while other cars have 5-10 available. Because of that people producing parts HAVE to charge more because they are breaking new ground. Development costs money and its going to be reflected in the finished goods price. In 10 years the Z will be much more like Honda, 240, SE-R crowd and parts will be cheaper as the age and income segment for the Z will move down and people won't be willing to pay these prices. Additionally manufacturers will begin copying what was successful in the past and then selling it for cheaper. Why? Because they didn't have to spend a dime on R&D. It was paid for them by the company they are copying. That in the end is what drives prices so low in other communities. The standard for reliable quality parts was set long ago by other companies and while they made their R&D money back copy cat parts showed up and the original companies have to lower their prices to compete. In the end I still feel the Z community is just a bit inflated on pricing for certain items. I haven't seen prices drop since I've been here on pretty much anything. Quality and reliability have improved for sure but the price point has remained. I would expect the trend to continue for some time. Eventually the VQ like the small block 350 and B series motors before it will become an open book and parts prices will have to drop as copy cats start running around. Until then I don't mind paying top dollar for quality parts because I don't own my car 10 years from now I own it today. But there must be a limit to what everyone finds reasonable. If you feel the cost for the part is unwarranted find another one. If you can make your own thats just as effective good, do it. But if you can't make it, and you can't find a reasonable alternative then pay to play. Speed is money, how fast do you want to go?

Originally Posted by roncfpz

Sharif can offer 2 shrouds; the Democrat and the Republican shroud.

The Democrat shroud is free and is paid for from tax dollars from the wealthy.

The Republican shroud is $250 but you get a tax deduction for the cost.

See, now we are all happy.