Avalon is selling it right now with all parts including intercooler for about $5,500. They are estimating installation at 8-10 hours so figure the shop rate out X that many hours and you got it.

 

Thursday is the DYNO with stock pulley's and spray that should do it. Right now 363 Highest Torque measured.

But then personal stuff that weekend, but Dyno charts at least for now!

Thanks

 

This all sounds just a little too ambiguous for me right now. Not enough information available. Why would ATI not discuss specs or prices, but you can?


Fine, but do you expect people to preorder for $5400 and not have any of this?

It just seems a little too cloudy right now.

 

I concur, the numbers sound sweet enough for me to sell my complete N2O and intake setup and increase my catback to 3 inch piping but no more guinee pigging for me, I will wait too.

 

I am out of the country from June 12-Aug 18 thus I am not buying anything right now. I also want to see if 350Z owners are having problems like Mustang owners do which includes:

1. Belts flying off (very common, one guy counted 80 times).
2. Way too loud, quoted as saying louder than any SC they ever heard.
3. Leaking SC, bearings going out.
4. ATI taking 3 months to repair SC under warranty.

I understand one kit out of a 1000 having a problem but not 1 out of 10. My Z runs great now, I do not want to buy a problem and void my warranty at the same time. I am interested in this product but not going to risk a very expensive motor and do ATI's R & D for them.

I am concerned ATI only spend a couple of months doing R & D for our Z's. This tells me that they are basically using their typical SC set up and just adapting it. Good for them but not tested enough for me considering I am doing testing for them at my cost if it fails.

Jeff

 

Everyone just be patient and don't rush into anything. The units will not be shipping for another 2 weeks at least, and no specs or prices are available from Procharger as of yet. I would treat everything as speculation until the product actually hits the market, and we get some real world data to chew on.

-Jeremy

 

If Procharger hasn't released any specs then was the Dyno graph a phony? Also, how is it that dealers on here are offering pricing if they dont have the actual cost yet?

 

Patience????

I have none

I'm like this when I need something.

 

So AGAIN, I'll ask. How can Avalon Racing quote us a price then?

 

I'd like to see what the car can do with someone who can launch

 

I am a little confused, and I'm sure my illustrious fellow members will quickly offer their opinions

I hate to be the ONE person who throws the wrench at the monkey...or...whatever, but this price seems about right to me. You guys didn't act all surprised when Greddy said the FMIC was going to be extra, along with the boost controller, and various other extra costs. The TT setup for ... damn, forgot his name, is going to be $12k, from Acosta Racing I think. It was stated the intercooler added about 1.5-2k to the Greddy setup, I believe. This kit sounds like it has every little thing you could need, at first glance, and initial info.

I dunno, I am not an expert on this stuff, but just from what I have read on here, it seems a lot more reasonable than just about all other options that have been talked about. On top of that, you guys sit here and ***** and moan all day about no FI kits, but are surprised that when a company busts their butt and puts out one of the first kits available, it costs a little more than you expected.

Also from what little we have seen, they seem to have a great layout, and fit it all under the stock hood. As long as the MAF issue is addressed that Chebosto had, with the info we have now, what complaints do you all have? Avalon is just trying to give what little info they have, and you guys are trying to bolt him up to a cross. Just be patient...oh wait, we already touched on that.

All that said, I think a $5499 kit, $4999 intro would be very optimal.


P.S. - The title says it all, you know you guys love me.

 

I have mixed feelings about the pricing of the kit. On one hand it seems like things are substantially cheaper for other cars even though the component quality is equal (companies feeding off our thirst for mods). On the other hand I realize that companies can and will charge whatever people will pay...they're in business to make money, if the don't make money, they won't be in business. So I can see how people would complain about pricing, but ****, there are quite a few guys on here that spent almost this much on wheels and tires .

 

For me, the big issue is will this SC be reliable? Yes, they got the SC out quickly but that might be because it lacks real testing. How does ATI really know this SC will not make our motor come unglued? If it does, ATI is not going to rebuild your motor thus a quick release means we are testing ATI's product for them for free (on top of paying for their product). I think we all have to look at a company that produces a product by how it treats its customers and how its past products perform. Do some research and look at other forums. The track record of ATI is questionable. I cannot wait to hear from fellow 350Z owners that have this kit to see how good it works for them.

Some people say that any product has customers that complain about it and to a degree that is true BUT how many complaints do you see from people that purchased HRE wheels and Volks vs Iforged? Some products are better than others and some companies have much better customer service than others. I do not see too many people that own ATI products defend them on the forum against other owners of the same product. For me, they will have to prove themselves. I am not convinced the product is good enough for me to throw down my cash and risk my Z's motor and warrranty over it yet. Yes, nice Dyno on the product, I know it puts out HP but so does a Dodge Neon with a Turbo!

Jeff

 

I know I guy who has been running 12 psi for about 20,000 miles, and other than his auto tranny, all is well, this is on a Stillin V1 S/C.

Another turbo Max is running 12 psi for 20-30,000 miles, with no problems, and he will ocasionally raise the boost to 14.

I also know of 2 other Maxima's that run 10 psi and under that have over 80,000 miles (on the car, about 50,000+ with Stillen S/C's)

On the flip side there is a guy here in Dallas replacing the engine in his 2001 Maxima with a Stillen V2, he only had it on for maybe 1000 miles and boom. He had some serious fuel problems, and was running 12 psi (3.125" pulley) out of the gate, and never got it tuned right.

Cheston has a S/C'ed Maxima (Stillen), I think he has been running around 10 psi for quite a while (I would say well over 20-30,000 miles), with minimal problems. He also tracks the car.

Now, this is not to say you buy a kit, install it, run 12 psi and all be will be great. With a car like this tuning will be key, and you will see some poor soul blow his/her engine. But, if you understand the limits, and are willing to except the addtional cost of maintenance (which you WILL have more problems, just not a blown engine), FI is a good route to go.

 

This is a real simple answer.

We buy the Pro Chargers from the company that gave pro charger the demo car and aided in the development of the product.

Our distributor has been working with them for months on this project.

They have specs , prices and dyno sheets. As our distributors largest dealer, we are able to offer prices now.

Regards

 

There still hasn't been an explanation of how the Procharger system provides the extra fuel needed to produce the extra horsepower and not go lean.

Does it:

A: have larger injectors and ECU modifications that detect boost and increase fuel injector pulse length.

B: have an extra injector ala Stillen setup.

C: some other method.

Information like this is critical to the decision process for purchasing.

 

The kit comes with an aaditional fuel pump as well as a stand alone electronic fuel managment system.

regards

 

for a little clarification:

i've had my blower for almost 2 years now on the Maxima..... with a little over 14000 miles...
supercharging is a bit easier, i'd say to build.. but its not all fun and games... i track the car on road courses and do drag, maybe.. twice a year.....

my V2 blower has had a few problems,
1. belt shredding on me twice. from hard shifts, the belt might chatch and jump ribs.. on the pulley, and then its game over... i stredded it on my 3->4 shift onetime at Palmdale raceway and still pulled a 13.8
2. idler pulley melting off after sustained high boost runs.. this was a Stillen Problem, they used a lubricant that has a low boiling temp.. so after my sustained high boost runs, the pulley seized, melted and fell freakin right off....
3. internal oil seal leaking, a few minor drips coming out of the turbine scared the hell out of me.. i had to get it rebuilt from Vortech for $450.

i have since rebuilt the blower and tracked it again.. seems all good for now... i'm running an 8:1 fuel disc for the Vortech FMU, a custom made cold air intake with a 9 inch by 5 inch filter cylinder... and a greddy type-S bov...

on the road courses, (buttonwillow, willowsprings, a few auto-x places) i'm near redline.. the blower is almost too MUCH power, by the time i'm at the end of a straight, i'll be 100+ and have to much on my brakes (thank god for Brembo Gran Turismo kit!!!) to slow me down, but i do catch up and pass alot of the big dawgs..

i'm running at 9.5psi at around 6200rpms, and all i have is ACT HDMM clutch and Muller Aluminum flywheel..

i'd say the VQ block and internals, even with a high compression rate is decent with boost...

i have a friend Matthel in San Francisco, he was the first ever turbo build on a maxima, he blew his motor twice, once when his boost controller failed and spiked to 2bars, and again when his fully built VQ (rods,cams,pistons, everything) blew out at a little under 2bar (but before that, cracked TWO drive axels cuz his LSD was gripping like mad..)

if you want the master of boost n VQ.. you should ask MardigraxMax... he's on this forum lurking somewhere.. that man is a god..

 

I'm satisified with the price is is within the same range of the Vortech I was researching for my LS1, I'm also happy with the gains and explanation and the extra goodies.

Now,

Who does an install around here and how do I explain my car being gone 3 days to my wife?

That is where I am at with this now.

Oh and some questionable warranty issues broought up here.

Other than that I think it's a fair deal if it's a good warranty and if it could be installed/serviced locally.

I may be first, who knows?

 

Avalon,

That's a very vague response, but it sounds like they went the 7th injector route. I was hoping the system would've been more integrated than that. Thanks for the info.