8========0 Chris'smax Motor Build (going Big) 0========8
Originally Posted by chris'smax
Raj,
The way i understand it is that the line that comes from the collector to the oil sump pump was kinked. On this kit both turbo drain lines feed into a little collector which then goes to the oil sump pump. By kinking that line this caused a back up and resulted in the turbos not draining oil properly.
Jeremy checked the turbo's w/ the car running and he said oil was pouring out of the front and back sides of the turbos. The seals are done!
The way i understand it is that the line that comes from the collector to the oil sump pump was kinked. On this kit both turbo drain lines feed into a little collector which then goes to the oil sump pump. By kinking that line this caused a back up and resulted in the turbos not draining oil properly.
Jeremy checked the turbo's w/ the car running and he said oil was pouring out of the front and back sides of the turbos. The seals are done!
Good luck on the build - that kit was made for a built motor!
You are never satisfied huh Chris?
I just did some math and from what I can tell he will be having some kind of bottle neck with the dual 2.5" exhaust at 600hp (the one good set of numbers I could find didn't specify crank or wheel hp, so it might be worse), but he should still be able to get quite a bit of power and be able to upgrade it later when and if he wants.
Most people on here think that in order to go fast you have to throw the bank at the car and do it all at once. I know I can't afford that, and don't want to frankly. Do what you think you want to do at the pace you can afford it. You are helping me realize once again why I am not building or TTing the VQ in the 240.
I just did some math and from what I can tell he will be having some kind of bottle neck with the dual 2.5" exhaust at 600hp (the one good set of numbers I could find didn't specify crank or wheel hp, so it might be worse), but he should still be able to get quite a bit of power and be able to upgrade it later when and if he wants.
Most people on here think that in order to go fast you have to throw the bank at the car and do it all at once. I know I can't afford that, and don't want to frankly. Do what you think you want to do at the pace you can afford it. You are helping me realize once again why I am not building or TTing the VQ in the 240.
Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
good stuff Chris!
I also don't get why everyone swings by the "you must run dual 3 inch to make power" vine...upgrade when you feel the existing stuff isn't doing what it should. No sense in upgrading something that has not yet proven to be a severe bottle neck
I also don't get why everyone swings by the "you must run dual 3 inch to make power" vine...upgrade when you feel the existing stuff isn't doing what it should. No sense in upgrading something that has not yet proven to be a severe bottle neck
To bring on a happier tone... man I cooked a mean crawfish etoufee earlier, I'll have to make some at Zdayz next year
Originally Posted by Nexx
oooooo that hurt, lmao
Simple question, what facts are your assumptions based on? Legit question! Back up your facts.
I still don't see how the Z is unique to other cars. You have 800whp cars running a 4" exhaust but yet all of you claim i need 6" of exhaust area to make 600whp?????? I understand that bigger is better, but i like the exhaust(the way it looks and the way it sounds). Jeremy and i both agree that we can meet this goal on this exhaust. If you still disagree that is fine, i'll wait till the car is done to prove otherwise. If i am wrong i will concede. Fair enough?
Originally Posted by App6MT
Right and I fully understand that complete, it is not the weakest link. But having the largest down pipe is 100% optimal.
And if he's truly going for big, leaving them out just puts it in the weaksauce category
And if he's truly going for big, leaving them out just puts it in the weaksauce category
I understand that bigger is better regarding exhaust flow, but to what extenet is questionable. I am just not ready to switch exhaust yet plain and simple.
Originally Posted by Nexx
+1, claiming to be going big but cutting corners where you shouldnt = fail.
if you want to go BIG, GO BIG.
if you want to go BIG, GO BIG.
Before you go making accusations lets just wait until we see what happens
Last edited by chris'smax; Jun 21, 2008 at 12:09 AM.
Originally Posted by chris'smax
If i wanted to go big maybe i would try and reach your badass 500whp levels lol!!!!
oh yeah, instead of posing like i was "GOING BIG" and not have enough money to "GO BIG" properly, i went with a solid build with good power levels, until i have the money to "GO BIG" without having to resort to skimping on products that could, one compromise the potential of the car, two compromise the safety of the car.
in any case, good luck with your BIG build.
Here was my experience: When I had the APS 2.5 TP's and the Injen dual exhaust I made 385whp at 10psi on my stock motor. When I took the 2.5's and the Injen off and replaced them with the APS 3.5 tp's and Greddy evo tt exhaust(I expanded the bottle neck) I made 425whp at 10psi on the same stock motor. The only thing that was changed was the A/F from 11.2 to 11.8
Both tunes were done during the summer and for the most part all the conditions were the same.
Both tunes were done during the summer and for the most part all the conditions were the same.
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Originally Posted by Nexx
i never claimed i was "GOING BIG" nor did i ever make a big deal out of my build. if you want to play with fire go ahead. use your caveman brain for a second. you want to "GO BIG" while going big with ebay knock exhaust? the power you would free up with 3" inch duals would allow you to run less boost, and get the same results. Upping the boost without taking all precautions is stupid imho. If I wanted to "GO BIG" I wouldnt skimp on one of the more important aspects of turbo charging a car. I feel sorry for you car, 20psi with 2.5" inch ebay exhaust... good luck with all that.
oh yeah, instead of posing like i was "GOING BIG" and not have enough money to "GO BIG" properly, i went with a solid build with good power levels, until i have the money to "GO BIG" without having to resort to skimping on products that could, one compromise the potential of the car, two compromise the safety of the car.
in any case, good luck with your BIG build.
oh yeah, instead of posing like i was "GOING BIG" and not have enough money to "GO BIG" properly, i went with a solid build with good power levels, until i have the money to "GO BIG" without having to resort to skimping on products that could, one compromise the potential of the car, two compromise the safety of the car.
in any case, good luck with your BIG build.
Chris has a goal. His build is taking the approach of building the "front end" now and doing the "back end" when the funds allow it and he has the need for more power.
He has stated he knows he's leaving horsepower "on the table" but not getting a new exhaust, I fail to see the need to keep telling him "Hey, you're leaving horsepower on the table by not getting a new exhaust". Hell, he's starting at it already!
Who knows, maybe he'll be more than happy with the power that his new current system will give him. And that's really all that matters, building a car, in any way, shape or fashion, that makes the owner happy.
There is so much grief and anxiety when people start comparing themselves to a number or someone else. Do what makes you happy, not what will make some other group happy.
Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
we will see what the exhaust will take, we have 520 on a stock exhaust with open dumps and test pipes, i dont think we will have a problem.
Jeremy is the one who has built the motor, will be doing the installation and will be doing the tuning. Last time, I checked he has built more cars than the overwhelming majority of people posting in this thread. If he felt that there was no chance of Chris meeting his goals with the equipment he is using or if he felt that it would be putting too much of a strain on other components within Chris' setup then I am confident that he would have told him that outright.
To Chris, good luck! Enjoy and be safe.
Originally Posted by coachk
Here was my experience: When I had the APS 2.5 TP's and the Injen dual exhaust I made 385whp at 10psi on my stock motor. When I took the 2.5's and the Injen off and replaced them with the APS 3.5 tp's and Greddy evo tt exhaust(I expanded the bottle neck) I made 425whp at 10psi on the same stock motor. The only thing that was changed was the A/F from 11.2 to 11.8
Both tunes were done during the summer and for the most part all the conditions were the same.
Both tunes were done during the summer and for the most part all the conditions were the same.
Thanks coach, now that is valid evidence. Isn't the injen exhaust 2.25"?
I don't think running a 2.5 is dangerous by any means (did i miss read that or was that insinuated?). I think a few months ago we were all laughing at the thought of someone using anything but L19+ head studs, and here we are a few months later looking at threads of people successfully doing big projects on stock ones.
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Originally Posted by Nexx
i never claimed i was "GOING BIG" nor did i ever make a big deal out of my build. if you want to play with fire go ahead. use your caveman brain for a second. you want to "GO BIG" while going big with ebay knock exhaust? the power you would free up with 3" inch duals would allow you to run less boost, and get the same results. Upping the boost without taking all precautions is stupid imho. If I wanted to "GO BIG" I wouldnt skimp on one of the more important aspects of turbo charging a car. I feel sorry for you car, 20psi with 2.5" inch ebay exhaust... good luck with all that.
oh yeah, instead of posing like i was "GOING BIG" and not have enough money to "GO BIG" properly, i went with a solid build with good power levels, until i have the money to "GO BIG" without having to resort to skimping on products that could, one compromise the potential of the car, two compromise the safety of the car.
in any case, good luck with your BIG build.
oh yeah, instead of posing like i was "GOING BIG" and not have enough money to "GO BIG" properly, i went with a solid build with good power levels, until i have the money to "GO BIG" without having to resort to skimping on products that could, one compromise the potential of the car, two compromise the safety of the car.
in any case, good luck with your BIG build.
I understand your point....you are not telling him that he MUST get 3"+ exhaust right now...you are saying that better results would arrive from a bigger setup...a point that has been proven many times. None of us know what Chris has in his bank account...and know one is saying that the 2.25 to 2.5" would cause any issues besides robbing him of power.
Originally Posted by coachk
Here was my experience: When I had the APS 2.5 TP's and the Injen dual exhaust I made 385whp at 10psi on my stock motor. When I took the 2.5's and the Injen off and replaced them with the APS 3.5 tp's and Greddy evo tt exhaust(I expanded the bottle neck) I made 425whp at 10psi on the same stock motor. The only thing that was changed was the A/F from 11.2 to 11.8
Both tunes were done during the summer and for the most part all the conditions were the same.
Both tunes were done during the summer and for the most part all the conditions were the same.
Originally Posted by Kwame@z1
IMO, this is the only person whose opinion really matters.
Jeremy is the one who has built the motor, will be doing the installation and will be doing the tuning. Last time, I checked he has built more cars than the overwhelming majority of people posting in this thread. If he felt that there was no chance of Chris meeting his goals with the equipment he is using or if he felt that it would be putting too much of a strain on other components within Chris' setup then I am confident that he would have told him that outright.
To Chris, good luck! Enjoy and be safe.
Jeremy is the one who has built the motor, will be doing the installation and will be doing the tuning. Last time, I checked he has built more cars than the overwhelming majority of people posting in this thread. If he felt that there was no chance of Chris meeting his goals with the equipment he is using or if he felt that it would be putting too much of a strain on other components within Chris' setup then I am confident that he would have told him that outright.
To Chris, good luck! Enjoy and be safe.
Well...does this mean that no one can give their opinion? Everyone on here knows Jeremy/PF...and no one is questioning his ability. Nexx gave his opinion and Coach gave the proof. Some of you may have forgotten that this site is to receive info and give opinions.
To be honest...if I was doing a built and was short on cash...I would also leave the exhaust for last and use what I have.
Good luck on your build Chris.....
Last edited by XKR; Jun 21, 2008 at 06:42 AM.
Originally Posted by XKR
I understand your point....you are not telling him that he MUST get 3"+ exhaust right now...you are saying that better results would arrive from a bigger setup...a point that has been proven many times. None of us know what Chris has in his bank account...and know one is saying that the 2.25 to 2.5" would cause any issues besides robbing him of power.
Thank you Mike, this is what i am trying to get across. Like you said i know that running a 3" is optimal (obviously), but i think i can get to where i want to be w/o having to change exhaust.
As far as my budgeting is concerned, i always set a budget when doing stuff like this. If i went in to this project w/o one i would be flat broke lol
. Honestly i wasn't even planning on doing this and just commited to it yesterday. Jeremy made me the proposition and provided prices that were beyond exceptional. It was sort of a deal that was to good to pass up. I just got engaged a couple of weeks and am about to buy a house, i can't go around just throwing money around unless it is needed
Originally Posted by Jason333
I don't think running a 2.5 is dangerous by any means (did i miss read that or was that insinuated?). I think a few months ago we were all laughing at the thought of someone using anything but L19+ head studs, and here we are a few months later looking at threads of people successfully doing big projects on stock ones.
Originally Posted by Nexx
i never claimed i was "GOING BIG" nor did i ever make a big deal out of my build. if you want to play with fire go ahead. use your caveman brain for a second. you want to "GO BIG" while going big with ebay knock exhaust? the power you would free up with 3" inch duals would allow you to run less boost, and get the same results. Upping the boost without taking all precautions is stupid imho. If I wanted to "GO BIG" I wouldnt skimp on one of the more important aspects of turbo charging a car. I feel sorry for you car, 20psi with 2.5" inch ebay exhaust... good luck with all that.
oh yeah, instead of posing like i was "GOING BIG" and not have enough money to "GO BIG" properly, i went with a solid build with good power levels, until i have the money to "GO BIG" without having to resort to skimping on products that could, one compromise the potential of the car, two compromise the safety of the car.
in any case, good luck with your BIG build.
oh yeah, instead of posing like i was "GOING BIG" and not have enough money to "GO BIG" properly, i went with a solid build with good power levels, until i have the money to "GO BIG" without having to resort to skimping on products that could, one compromise the potential of the car, two compromise the safety of the car.
in any case, good luck with your BIG build.
But your leaving power on the table
. I believe you cut corners didn't you? By buying a used motor(which i would NEVER do)? Did you buy that setup because you saved money? I would assume you did and therefore you should see where i am coming from as far as trying to save. LMAO off at comprimise the safety of the car. How in the hell do you figure that? Do you honestly think it is going cause that much back pressure? and generate that much heat?? Come on man
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Originally Posted by Jason333
I don't think running a 2.5 is dangerous by any means (did i miss read that or was that insinuated?). I think a few months ago we were all laughing at the thought of someone using anything but L19+ head studs, and here we are a few months later looking at threads of people successfully doing big projects on stock ones.