what ems do you prefer
Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
Originally Posted by rcdash
What if you don't ever feel anything "wrong" with the car? Then while your cruising, your engine all of a sudden blows? It has happened before many times. No advance warning of a failure. No warning of a faulty tune.
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
So if someone writes a book on a Mead notebook, I guess the book is a Mead book, not the authors....
Get real!
Get real!http://www.edelbrock.com/media/news/.../images/n2.jpg
Last edited by rb26ina240; Aug 4, 2008 at 02:31 PM.
Originally Posted by gsxrjohn
Hal & 350z for the win!
4.2L vs 3.0L just to scratch the surface. More importantly, as SlideFox stated, Hal is running a 2-speed PowerGlide, where as Saad is running a stock Supra 6-speed trans.
Let's stay OT though. You don't want to go down the Supra vs 350z accomplishment road.
Darren
Originally Posted by rb26ina240
thats not what im getting at, mototron provides the hardware and software tools. this is a good thing, but other companies using this system use the mototron software tools
http://www.edelbrock.com/media/news/.../images/n2.jpg
http://www.edelbrock.com/media/news/.../images/n2.jpg
Edelbrock uses Mototron for their crate engine program. There's 1 other "aftermarket" company that uses Mototron too, can you guess who that is?
Mototron = Motorola = millions of ecu's for O.E. applications world wide.
Seems to me that at this point you're making ProEFI shine even brighter. Personally, I'd like to thank you, as we've sold 2 ProEFI boxes just today due to the attention from this thread. I think Lar at SP sold one too! I guess the old adage of "there's no such thing as negative publicity" isn't a fallacy after all.
Darrren
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Originally Posted by INTENSEPOWER
Vinny,
Edelbrock uses Mototron for their crate engine program. There's 1 other "aftermarket" company that uses Mototron too, can you guess who that is?
Mototron = Motorola = millions of ecu's for O.E. applications world wide.
Seems to me that at this point you're making ProEFI shine even brighter. I'm sure Jason will thank you next time you talk to him on messenger (like you did last night)
. Personally, I'd like to thank you, as we've sold 2 ProEFI boxes just today due to the attention from this thread. I think Lar at SP sold one too! I guess the old adage of "there's no such thing as negative publicity" isn't a fallacy after all.
Darrren
Edelbrock uses Mototron for their crate engine program. There's 1 other "aftermarket" company that uses Mototron too, can you guess who that is?
Mototron = Motorola = millions of ecu's for O.E. applications world wide.
Seems to me that at this point you're making ProEFI shine even brighter. I'm sure Jason will thank you next time you talk to him on messenger (like you did last night)
. Personally, I'd like to thank you, as we've sold 2 ProEFI boxes just today due to the attention from this thread. I think Lar at SP sold one too! I guess the old adage of "there's no such thing as negative publicity" isn't a fallacy after all. Darrren
this is not vinny, try again. and i said nothing negative about pro efi.
victor
Originally Posted by rb26ina240
thats not what im getting at, mototron provides the hardware and software tools. this is a good thing, but other companies using this system use the mototron software tools
http://www.edelbrock.com/media/news/.../images/n2.jpg
http://www.edelbrock.com/media/news/.../images/n2.jpg
, you've done nothing but talk shlt, you've been bringing this crap from the other forum.... stopped getting so offended because you spend so much money on the motec...As far as hardware goes the ecu ProEFI is used in more vehicles than Motec, it is an O.E. production ECU, has more I/O than Motec, and has a significantly faster processor...is that a lie?
Ovbiously the software motec uses is what "makes" the motec, and you have to wait for the proefi to finish developing the user software to properly compare it. If you go back to the other forum you will see the top names excited about the unit, wouldnt stand behind it if they didnt believe what jason can do with the software, which is expected to be more flexible than you expect.
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; Aug 4, 2008 at 02:48 PM.
Originally Posted by rcdash
Jorge, just to clarify (as pointed out in post 190), the FCON does have launch control according to Julian at MRC since he claims he broke his oil pump using it:
https://my350z.com/forum/4539073-post4.html
https://my350z.com/forum/4539073-post4.html
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
, you've done nothing but talk shlt, you've been bringing this crap from the other forum.... stopped getting so offended because you spend so much money on the motec...As far as hardware goes the ecu ProEFI is used in more vehicles than Motec, it is an O.E. production ECU, has more I/O than Motec, and has a significantly faster processor...is that a lie?
Ovbiously the software motec uses is what "makes" the motec, and you have to wait for the proefi to finish developing the user software to properly compare it. If you go back to the other forum you will see the top names excited about the unit, wouldnt stand behind it if they didnt believe what jason can do with the software, which is expected to be more flexible than you expect.
I use motec because i own a race car.
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Originally Posted by rb26ina240
the problem is you keep comparing pro efi to a motec. makes no sense, i dont think motec is pro efi competition they are 2 different ecus.
I use motec because i own a race car.
I use motec because i own a race car.
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Originally Posted by SlideFox
Why do people keep thinking that nothing can be compared to the Motec?
Originally Posted by rb26ina240
darren
this is not vinny, try again. and i said nothing negative about pro efi.
victor
this is not vinny, try again. and i said nothing negative about pro efi.
victor
Originally Posted by rb26ina240
at the end of the day the real credit goes to motron, and if this hardware is all its cracked up to be then everyone will be installing there firmware into these boxes
http://www.mototron.com/products/Con...e/ECUhardware/
http://www.faar-industry.com/index%20(UK).html
http://www.mototron.com/products/Con...e/ECUhardware/
http://www.faar-industry.com/index%20(UK).html
Originally Posted by rb26ina240
or what they were hiding. humm 1999dollars for a 300dollar box
O.E. reliability + the fastest processor + Fault Manager + a world renowned tuner/software engineer/racer with over 20 years of experience = WIN in my book.
Darren(is my name)
Originally Posted by rb26ina240
the problem is you keep comparing pro efi to a motec. makes no sense, i dont think motec is pro efi competition they are 2 different ecus. as for proefi having more I/O's than motec that is a half truth.
I use motec because i own a race car.
I use motec because i own a race car.
MOtec advantage is their software development at this point, so why do you think its impossible to write just as flexible software by highly experienced people with a hardware that is more capable?
for starters, let me name you 1: knock control
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Originally Posted by rcdash
The adaptive learning is also placing your faith in someone else's coding. That's the norm actually and not unreasonable - as long as it works and doesn't run into situations that weren't conceived of during R&D. I personally like data logging and I like the way Haltech can export data and e-mail it around for viewing (easily but NOT automatically).
However, if the ProEFI has a CAN guage or triggers a CEL that indicates that the car is all of a sudden operating out-of-spec (e.g. knocking), then perhaps that is sufficient for most users. It would be nice though if an EMS could go a step further and just e-mail a data dump right to your tuner if it ever felt the need! Now that would be intelligent.
And there's an application for wireless telemetry for the masses. Imagine getting a call from your tuner out of the blue while you're at the drag strip asking you why your coolant is running hot or why the ECU is pulling so much timing...
What if you don't ever feel anything "wrong" with the car? Then while your cruising, your engine all of a sudden blows? It has happened before many times. No advance warning of a failure. No warning of a faulty tune. Sometimes data logging is the only way to truly validate that everything is within spec. Now if you anticipate all of the fault conditions and throw up a red flag, that's even better. And it sounds like implementations of the ProEFI, like what SnyperZ has planned, will be pretty robust in this regard. If you don't have feedback from every relevant sensor and CAN channel, then it's hard to guarantee 100% fool proof operation.
However, if the ProEFI has a CAN guage or triggers a CEL that indicates that the car is all of a sudden operating out-of-spec (e.g. knocking), then perhaps that is sufficient for most users. It would be nice though if an EMS could go a step further and just e-mail a data dump right to your tuner if it ever felt the need! Now that would be intelligent.
And there's an application for wireless telemetry for the masses. Imagine getting a call from your tuner out of the blue while you're at the drag strip asking you why your coolant is running hot or why the ECU is pulling so much timing... What if you don't ever feel anything "wrong" with the car? Then while your cruising, your engine all of a sudden blows? It has happened before many times. No advance warning of a failure. No warning of a faulty tune. Sometimes data logging is the only way to truly validate that everything is within spec. Now if you anticipate all of the fault conditions and throw up a red flag, that's even better. And it sounds like implementations of the ProEFI, like what SnyperZ has planned, will be pretty robust in this regard. If you don't have feedback from every relevant sensor and CAN channel, then it's hard to guarantee 100% fool proof operation.
Pretty tough to blow up your engine while cruising, but say a loss of oil pressure occures... reasonable possibility... then the ProEFI (if the sensor is installed) will throw a CEL, and go into a limp mode to protect the engine.
I asked your previous question about the front tires for the traction control, and he said that there are programmable delay timers that can be set up to ignore the motionless front wheels under those circumstances. Traction control comes on every module, but you have to request to have it setup, and ofcourse time is money.
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Originally Posted by rb26ina240
the problem is you keep comparing pro efi to a motec. makes no sense, i dont think motec is pro efi competition they are 2 different ecus. as for proefi having more I/O's than motec that is a half truth.
I use motec because i own a race car.
I use motec because i own a race car.
You use a motec because you own a race car....I'm not getting it. I know guys that own race cars that aren't even fuel injected...
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Originally Posted by rb26ina240
thats not what im getting at, mototron provides the hardware and software tools. this is a good thing, but other companies using this system use the mototron software tools
http://www.edelbrock.com/media/news/.../images/n2.jpg
http://www.edelbrock.com/media/news/.../images/n2.jpg
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