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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 10:40 PM
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Hey Guys, I have a 05 6 speed with 55k on it. I was going to install a Greddy Twin Turbo kit and call it a day, but decided to build the motor before hand. I was thinking of upgrading the pistons and rods and then changing the cams to lower the compression. If anyone knows a reliable build list so I could build a reliable 600hp motor. I am not trying to go crazy and get it bored and machined. I don't want to spend $20k building a motor. If $3-5k(in parts only) can build me a stout motor to handle the range of the greddy system, I'd surely appreciate the recipe (part/brand).

I am going to do a meth kit and upgrade fuel system. I will do a full fuel management system down the line when I am ready to start pushing it and just deal with the e-manage for now. Clutch will be upgraded, cooling system (radiator + tranny cooler) upgraded. Car already has upgraded bbk and coilovers and forged wheels. Ready for the power.

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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 10:57 PM
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Im gonna openly admit i didnt read your post but look here

https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...ion-noobs.html
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machine work will almost be a must for most piston sets, as they are .020 over anyway.

call kyle at IPP he has motors assembled ready to ship if you want a DIY. You can a longblock for that price to hold that hp.
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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 11:01 PM
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then changing the cams to lower the compression
Wat?
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the tranny cooler would be my first step...
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lol, Jeremy it must be late there...

He needs to just give us the $$ and let me spend it on strippers a booze.
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the tranny cooler would be my first step...
I lub me some tranny's












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the 6mt use trans coolers?
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So you wanna do all that but you are keeping the e-manage..... you my friend have a lot of reasearch to do
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Originally Posted by r0mey
Im gonna openly admit i didnt read your post



OP: read, read, read reeeeeeead
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Old Nov 8, 2008 | 07:51 AM
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Call forgedperformance.com and they'll build a shotblock for you perfect for TT for only 4k.
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Originally Posted by 350 Rookie
Call forgedperformance.com and they'll build a shotblock for you perfect for TT for only 4k.
- This should help

https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...ed-2008-a.html

I don't want to spend $20k building a motor. If $3-5k(in parts only) can build me a stout motor to handle the range of the greddy system, I'd surely appreciate the recipe (part/brand).
Let me know how you make out there, you may save me a bunch of money.
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Better yet build and tune your block at the same place

-still hasnt read the OP
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spend the money for your meth kit on having the block properly bored, honed, line honed, etc.

you won't have a motor last very long if the cylinders aren't properly bored and honed to the needed specs of your pistons.
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Originally Posted by Cass007
oh man, that made my day
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Originally Posted by r0mey
Im gonna openly admit i didnt read your post but look here

https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...ion-noobs.html
I've probably been on this forum since before you had your drivers license, so take a deep breath and relax. Anyways, it doesn't tell you everything to turbo your car, it tells you the noob stuff. I like to know my options and get as many opinions as possible. I've seen a lot more threads than you in my day and I can tell you that there is soo much clutter to sort through and most information is vague at most. I know there is always someone smarter out there and am hoping they would come along and help rather than just get a bunch of smart *** remarks. But thanks for the link noob, I could have told you where to find that.d

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machine work will almost be a must for most piston sets, as they are .020 over anyway.

call kyle at IPP he has motors assembled ready to ship if you want a DIY. You can a longblock for that price to hold that hp.
Thanks, I've shopped for motors online, but wasn't sure what was necessary. Seen so many threads of bad motors from shops, I guess if I decide to go with a shop, sharif is one name I've seen that you can trust.


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So you wanna do all that but you are keeping the e-manage..... you my friend have a lot of reasearch to do
Please re read the OP


Honestly been researching turbo's for awhile now and not gone so into depth about building the motor. What I've read though wasn't always clear (too much **** to read through on the internet). I guess I could have called a bunch of performance shops and irritated the hell out of them, but I figured I'd utilize the internet. I don't post here often because you guys post all that bull **** up in so many threads before anyone chimes in with any useful answers. Now this is just one more useless bull **** thread to browse through for the next person looking for information. Job well done, now post ***** away. I thought I could get away with some information but of course not, only everyones helpful remarks. I'll go back to not posting for the sake of not cluttering your guys pretty lil forum
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Here is a list of a basic build which should hold up to 650 RWHP:

Engine:
ARP Main Studs
Arias Forged Piston Set 8.5:1 .020 Overbore
Eagle Forged Rods
Cosworth Head Gasket
A Catch Tank (Greddy doesn't work well apparently in our engine bay)
Snow Water/Meth for extra protection against detonation
UTEC at a bare minimum for engine management

You can buy a prebuilt short block from a tuner like Forged Performance like their S1 block:

http://www.forgedperformance.com/sto...4&cat=0&page=1

Or have the work done at your local shop with the parts above. Weakest link on the VQ is the rods and the pistons really; so you should be fine just getting those done (like the engine build above). To get more power from the Greddy (i.e. increase boost) get bigger injectors (650CC) and an upgraded fuel pump; fuel return line in my opinion is good but if you are not running your injectors at full duty it should hopefully not be much of an issue with the factory return-less system. A Greddy Evo Exhaust would be a good decision as well. You will probably need to upgrade your clutch although since I don't own a 6MT; I am not sure how much they can handle.

The enging build above shouldn't run you more than 6-7k; I think there is even a sponsor on here who sells prebuilt shortblocks for $2600 as well if you want a cheaper route.

For tuner/shops, Forged Performance seems to be one of the few shops that doesn't have "much" negative things on the site but every shop will have that customer/people who hate them so take personal opinions here with light regard and check out shops yourself.
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Originally Posted by JBL85
Hey Guys, I have a 05 6 speed with 55k on it. I was going to install a Greddy Twin Turbo kit and call it a day, but decided to build the motor before hand. I was thinking of upgrading the pistons and rods and then changing the cams to lower the compression.
Pistons, rods and block machining are a must. You will need to decide on aftermarket head gaskets (HKS) or the HR stock gasket and have the heads decked before reassembly. Cams are great to add power, the Brian Crower 2's seem to be the most popular right now to have a steady idle and still make high end HP. I do not think that these cams require any valvetrain adjustments, but I am not sure on this. You will also need a gasket rebuild kit and most would suggest installing the HR oil pump and new bearings and seals. Also, you can decide if you want to install the pathfider cooling mod and the Nismo low temp thermostat.

If anyone knows a reliable build list so I could build a reliable 600hp motor. I am not trying to go crazy and get it bored and machined. I don't want to spend $20k building a motor. If $3-5k(in parts only) can build me a stout motor to handle the range of the greddy system, I'd surely appreciate the recipe (part/brand).
Reliable and 600rwhp is somewhat of an oxymoron. If you do a build like this, an alternative DD is almost amust. The mod list above for the motor + EMS + exhaust + Greddy Kit = $15-20K easy. You can build for less, but money = reliability to a degree and 600rwhp is not a small number by any means.

I am going to do a meth kit and upgrade fuel system. I will do a full fuel management system down the line when I am ready to start pushing it and just deal with the e-manage for now. Clutch will be upgraded, cooling system (radiator + tranny cooler) upgraded. Car already has upgraded bbk and coilovers and forged wheels. Ready for the power.
Meth is a nice add on, but not if you are on a budget. You will need a meth map tune and a default, low boost, non meth tune. The radiator and tranny cooler may not be necessary unless you track your car. The clutch is a must and dont forget axels as well. Without the fuel system, your setup will be handcuffed from the start and you will never make the power you want.

Thanks for any help.
I hope this helps. BTW I see that you have been a member since 2003, but have almost no posts. Possibly the biggest lurker ever . The reason you got flamed is that much od the info you wanted is in the F/I forum if you search for it, and the budget you suggest and list of mods you stated are not realistic for 600+rwhp. Good luck with your build.
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Originally Posted by Asad_A203
Here is a list of a basic build which should hold up to 650 RWHP:

Engine:
ARP Main Studs
Arias Forged Piston Set 8.5:1 .020 Overbore
Eagle Forged Rods
Cosworth Head Gasket
A Catch Tank (Greddy doesn't work well apparently in our engine bay)
Snow Water/Meth for extra protection against detonation
UTEC at a bare minimum for engine management

You can buy a prebuilt short block from a tuner like Forged Performance like their S1 block:

http://www.forgedperformance.com/sto...4&cat=0&page=1

Or have the work done at your local shop with the parts above. Weakest link on the VQ is the rods and the pistons really; so you should be fine just getting those done (like the engine build above). To get more power from the Greddy (i.e. increase boost) get bigger injectors (650CC) and an upgraded fuel pump; fuel return line in my opinion is good but if you are not running your injectors at full duty it should hopefully not be much of an issue with the factory return-less system. A Greddy Evo Exhaust would be a good decision as well. You will probably need to upgrade your clutch although since I don't own a 6MT; I am not sure how much they can handle.

The enging build above shouldn't run you more than 6-7k; I think there is even a sponsor on here who sells prebuilt shortblocks for $2600 as well if you want a cheaper route.

For tuner/shops, Forged Performance seems to be one of the few shops that doesn't have "much" negative things on the site but every shop will have that customer/people who hate them so take personal opinions here with light regard and check out shops yourself.
Wow man thanks for such a great answer. I appreciate your time. I do plan to install a return fuel system, stage 2 carbonetic clutch, upgrade the fuel system and do a custom exhaust. As far as fuel management, I'd like to get a stand alone. I rather not piggyback with the utec. I was just waiting to decide on that until I know what shop will be tuning the car and what systems they can tune on.

Originally Posted by Cass007
I hope this helps. BTW I see that you have been a member since 2003, but have almost no posts. Possibly the biggest lurker ever . The reason you got flamed is that much od the info you wanted is in the F/I forum if you search for it, and the budget you suggest and list of mods you stated are not realistic for 600+rwhp. Good luck with your build.
LOL, its people like you who don't read and realize how much garbage is actually between each useful post. Like here for example, all garbage until Asad responded. I said 3-5k on motor parts. Look cassi, I am probably spending nearly $20,000 on everything, I don't think 3-5k for the motor parts is unrealistic. ONCE AGAIN RE-READ wow some pathetic people exist on this planet.....back to lurking for me

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Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
the tranny cooler would be my first step...
+1 My thoughts exactly...

the 6mt use trans coolers?
no they don't. I have only seen auto cars with trans cooler.


I lub me some tranny's
trannys are wiley these days check for the adams apple...
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