Powerlab 35R kit will not make 500 HP
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sorry, will do
You just posted you made over 500hp on a DJ which is what intense uses and what intense based their statements on. They can't tell you what it will make on every single dyno in the world. They don't have them. They built it and tested it on their DJ platform and it shows DJ right on the dyno sheets. How is that not clear as a bell to you?
if you wanted more on a different dyno that is your own adjenda and has nothing to do with the fact that they said you can get 500hp on a DJ with sae correction. You proved that statement true yourself.
if you wanted more on a different dyno that is your own adjenda and has nothing to do with the fact that they said you can get 500hp on a DJ with sae correction. You proved that statement true yourself.
Intense....i'm glad someone else sees how simple it is.
I mean, ya, it's a bummer the guys goal was 500whp on a DD. great fine and dandy but every manufacturer can't test every turbo on every car on every dyno. Hell, even car to car could range 5-10% different numbers with the exact same parts, kit, dyno. Maybe one had a tight motor from factory and one a loose one. Who knows.
Either way, 500hp on an SAE corrected DJ is what the results were shown. I can read so i understand that. Not sure why it's so hard for others.
I mean, ya, it's a bummer the guys goal was 500whp on a DD. great fine and dandy but every manufacturer can't test every turbo on every car on every dyno. Hell, even car to car could range 5-10% different numbers with the exact same parts, kit, dyno. Maybe one had a tight motor from factory and one a loose one. Who knows.
Either way, 500hp on an SAE corrected DJ is what the results were shown. I can read so i understand that. Not sure why it's so hard for others.
+1! Thank you for the common sense objectivity!I hope Raj doesn't accuse you of being part of our "pack" now.
Last edited by RudeG_v2.0; Jun 10, 2010 at 01:04 PM.
LOL. No worries. He doesn't live in AZ. phew!Cliff notes are that the PowerLab kit standard turbo appears to be near its pump gas limit of around 500 DJ (near the choke point). The OP has some leads on how to make a little extra that he desires and everyone's happy now that everything is cut and dried.
Last edited by rcdash; Jun 10, 2010 at 01:25 PM.
Drama
I can't help but love all the drama!
At this point, I am speaking with IP about the use of a simple meth injection kit and some minor retuning to hopefully achieve the 100 whp mark that I was shooting for over my stock block setup. It would have been nice if Intense/powerlab would step up and try to contact me and offer some sort of resolution but I don't ever see that happening. It seem that Intense/fanboys speak of all these builds who are able to achieve these big numbers with the gt35r kit but have no bought any proof of this to the table, they then argue that I was foolish to have such high expectations of the kit but in private conversation at time of purchase told me a completely opposite story, they also use the 653 whp number in there advertising to lead the customer into believing the kit was capable of achieve over 600whp on race gas but now state that They advise tuners not to run this setup because it is too dangerous to the engine/ turbo/ etc.
I has been emotional at times and let my temper get the best of me and once again I do hope I have not offined anyone. I would like to thank everyone who has attempted to help with my problem and possible solution. I am keeping my fingers crossed. I am going to close this thread at this time because I don't find it to be productive to continue it until Powerlab, myself, other members of the forum can come forward with a clear effective solution to product safe, cost effective power on 93 oct with the Powerlab GT35R Kit. Thanks, James
At this point, I am speaking with IP about the use of a simple meth injection kit and some minor retuning to hopefully achieve the 100 whp mark that I was shooting for over my stock block setup. It would have been nice if Intense/powerlab would step up and try to contact me and offer some sort of resolution but I don't ever see that happening. It seem that Intense/fanboys speak of all these builds who are able to achieve these big numbers with the gt35r kit but have no bought any proof of this to the table, they then argue that I was foolish to have such high expectations of the kit but in private conversation at time of purchase told me a completely opposite story, they also use the 653 whp number in there advertising to lead the customer into believing the kit was capable of achieve over 600whp on race gas but now state that They advise tuners not to run this setup because it is too dangerous to the engine/ turbo/ etc.I has been emotional at times and let my temper get the best of me and once again I do hope I have not offined anyone. I would like to thank everyone who has attempted to help with my problem and possible solution. I am keeping my fingers crossed. I am going to close this thread at this time because I don't find it to be productive to continue it until Powerlab, myself, other members of the forum can come forward with a clear effective solution to product safe, cost effective power on 93 oct with the Powerlab GT35R Kit. Thanks, James
Last edited by james12345pt; Jun 10, 2010 at 03:23 PM.
Your very first post in this thread on page 11 was nothing more than a quick pat on the back for the OP as you quickly proceeded to instigate drama by referring to the "AZ mob squad" and by singling me out to "warn" everybody about me.
https://my350z.com/forum/8404259-post209.html
Before you made that garbage drama post, I contributed to the technical discussion by asking several questions and by offering some things to consider/check out in an effort to help troubleshoot the problems concerning the high backpressure and high AIT's. Others, including the OP, commented that I made good points.
I became frustrated with the OP when he continued to leave out/omit pertinent information and when he continued comments/jabs/insinuations that attacked the integrity of people I know very well.
You asked in a prior post if/why I'm personally vested. As I have mentioned on this forum before, I was present at Intense during much of the R&D on both the PowerLab kit and ProEFI. I personally witnessed the Intense G perform as they claim. I was there during the dynos and was sitting on the trunk of the car during some of those dynos. I was also present at the track when the Intense G made 11 second passes with the 37R turbo. I was present as they went above and beyond most other manufacturers to back up their performance claims with dynos and videos.
So I get offended when people challenge the integrity of Intense or PowerLab and insinuate deception about something I have personally witnessed and have first hand knowledge about. After having informed this community multiple times in prior posts/threads about what I witnessed, I consider continued jabs at Intense/PowerLab as an indirect challenge and attack on MY integrity too (a LEO who investigates, writes reports, and testifies to the TRUTH on felonies and matters much more serious than the attempts to discredit and smear a company/people over the OP's trivial trumped up drama about being 50whp short of his goal). I won't tolerate someone wrongfully calling someone else a liar about something I witnessed. And I will not remain silent or be diplomatic to those who crap on the honor of me or my friends whose integrity I have witnessed countless times in the years I have known them. If that's too "dramatic" for you, so be it.
Last edited by RudeG_v2.0; Jun 10, 2010 at 03:09 PM.
Yep. The OP made over 500whp on a DJ on pump gas. But he is fixated on DD numbers and is accusing Intense/PowerLab of false advertising because he was foolish enough to assume that the advertised 653whp DJ dyno was achieved on pump gas.
I consider continued jabs at Intense/PowerLab as an indirect challenge and attack on MY integrity too ... And I will not remain silent or be diplomatic to those who crap on the honor of me or my friends whose integrity I have witnessed countless times in the years I have known them. If that's too "dramatic" for you, so be it.
It seems you are perceiving insults to your honor and are responding accordingly... because a customer is dissatisfied with a product's performance?
You may be insulted / dishonored / whatever, but that doesn't mean folks don't have a right to post for fear of sleighting you. Loyalty to your friends is commendable, but there's a thin line between that and fanaticism / zealotry.
Last edited by rcdash; Jun 10, 2010 at 03:37 PM.
Ok, well that about sums it up then. Un/fortunately, the TOU of this forum require you to remain diplomatic.
It seems you are perceiving insults to your honor and are responding accordingly... because a customer is dissatisfied with a product's performance?
You may be insulted / dishonored / whatever, but that doesn't mean folks don't have a right to post for fear of sleighting you.
It seems you are perceiving insults to your honor and are responding accordingly... because a customer is dissatisfied with a product's performance?
You may be insulted / dishonored / whatever, but that doesn't mean folks don't have a right to post for fear of sleighting you.
I'm not insulted because he is dissatisfied with his PowerLab kit. I am insulted by the continued comments by him and others that questioned/attacked the validity of the 653whp dyno and other performance claims, as well as by the insinuations and accusations of deception or shadiness by Intense/PowerLab. He and others essentially called us liars.
about the 653hp. Converted to DD numbers that is 574hp.
With the same kit and a lower compression motor you were wanting to gain 100hp? No offense but that is unrealistic unless you have a monster turbo setup to begin with. Built engines don't produce power. Truthfully you will lose power with lower compression. The forced induction is the power so if you have a kit that is doing a good number on a stock block and working at about 80% of it's life then you aren't going to gain more than 20% of an increase when you use a low compression built block. The math just isn't there.
Now a kit that you're using maybe 50% of potential of the turbo would be able to produce significant gains with a built engine since there is so much left in the turbo.
really..and you are diplomatic?... you are clever in your "insinuations", and when you get a response, you quickly cry foul "insult", a mob is against me, blah blah blah thats all...doesnt make you any less of a troll.
Baiting (what you do) is liek instigating, so its the same TOU violation... but its jsut how it gets interpreted... the mod that stepped in here forgot to be against such "insinuations" more than 10 pages ago.
Also... LOL again, wtf?
what Kind of resolution are you looking for...i am still not sure what are you looking for ...a free upgrade because you couldn't figure out the 653whp number was on race gas?, which was posted all along in the 653whp thread.
For all the troll threat title, an your "i-cant'-read" insinuations, or other not "sound" comments such as "they ran it at dangerous boost levels", you also insinuated the piping was wrong...what are you expecting to get?
who told you you can make 580whp on a DJ..cause that is what your ~500+whpDD goal is.... also, when reading past posts when you were still on stock block from you, you just mention you are looking for a conservative power of over 500whp, no mention that you wanted it on a DD specifically... on yah,
you also mentioned that the kit fitted tightly, you had strup headers and a couple things were hard to fit, which then you got suggested to use a hammer to make room..
please...stop it...find me WHERE THIS WAS SAID.....
See, i am suppose to act nice here, despite fact you continue to post misinformation or and make false accusations...you already said "Intense now proclaims that if you use race gas and dangerous boost levels"...but if i correct you, i guess i am attacking you
let me help you... intensesales said he doesn't recommend running much more than 500whp on pump because there was no sense to push with such unreliable fuel(here we get 91)...which btw its already beyond what you can do with tires for the street anyways. Do you feel mislead that you cant reach more than 600whp on race gas...u haven't even tried it.
This is bad moderation here, it meas you cant say whatever dump shlt you can, instigate all you want, bait all you want, misinform all you want as long as its not a direct insult......yet somehow, a direct quote on a sig get a moderator to act....that double standard is OVBIOUS
Baiting (what you do) is liek instigating, so its the same TOU violation... but its jsut how it gets interpreted... the mod that stepped in here forgot to be against such "insinuations" more than 10 pages ago.
Also... LOL again, wtf?
Originally Posted by james12345
It would have been nice if Intense/powerlab would step up and try to contact me and offer some sort of resolution but I don't ever see that happening.
For all the troll threat title, an your "i-cant'-read" insinuations, or other not "sound" comments such as "they ran it at dangerous boost levels", you also insinuated the piping was wrong...what are you expecting to get?
Originally Posted by james12345
It seem that Intense/fanboys speak of all these builds who are able to achieve these big numbers with the gt35r kit but have no bought any proof of this to the table, they then argue that I was foolish to have such high expectations of the kit but in private conversation at time of purchase told me a completely opposite story
you also mentioned that the kit fitted tightly, you had strup headers and a couple things were hard to fit, which then you got suggested to use a hammer to make room..
Originally Posted by james12345
they also use the 653 whp number in there advertising to lead the customer into believing the kit was capable of achieve over 600whp on race gas but now state that They advise tuners not to run this setup because it is too dangerous to the engine/ turbo/ etc.
See, i am suppose to act nice here, despite fact you continue to post misinformation or and make false accusations...you already said "Intense now proclaims that if you use race gas and dangerous boost levels"...but if i correct you, i guess i am attacking you
let me help you... intensesales said he doesn't recommend running much more than 500whp on pump because there was no sense to push with such unreliable fuel(here we get 91)...which btw its already beyond what you can do with tires for the street anyways. Do you feel mislead that you cant reach more than 600whp on race gas...u haven't even tried it.
This is bad moderation here, it meas you cant say whatever dump shlt you can, instigate all you want, bait all you want, misinform all you want as long as its not a direct insult...
...yet somehow, a direct quote on a sig get a moderator to act....that double standard is OVBIOUS
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; Jun 10, 2010 at 03:58 PM.
Can you ever respond to one of my posts without twisting and spinning it?
I'm not insulted because he is dissatisfied with his PowerLab kit. I am insulted by the continued comments by him and others that questioned/attacked the validity of the 653whp dyno and other performance claims, as well as by the insinuations and accusations of deception or shadiness by Intense/PowerLab. He and others essentially called us liars.
I'm not insulted because he is dissatisfied with his PowerLab kit. I am insulted by the continued comments by him and others that questioned/attacked the validity of the 653whp dyno and other performance claims, as well as by the insinuations and accusations of deception or shadiness by Intense/PowerLab. He and others essentially called us liars.