So..... if OP does decide to upgrade to larger compressor... or a gt37r is it still just a simple drop-in or would it require new piping? Is there any links to a PL kit with the gt37r installed?
Holy hell did this thread get cluttered with buncha stuff... Can't wait to see what OP, Injected n Intense have to say.... if anything at all..

 

I would just call Intense and talk to Pete, Darren or Han. This thread is so of course it's about to hit the north pole.

 

 

/thread

 

I'm confused by Go-fast's comments. I have backed up everything that I have said. I have told the OP how to control is IATs, as indicated above.

 

I must say Terry HAS backed up everything he said with proof per what Garrett has posted and generally seems to know his $hit.

 

Well... He just showed NOOB mistake by quoting Garrett's compressor exducer dimension to compare to another turbo's inducer dimension. It is fairly common knowledge that a 67mm turbo is more powerful than a standard Garrett 35R, yet Terry seemed to not know this. And then he didn't even acknowledge that he made a mistake and was wrong.

I agree with go-fast and SlideFox that Terry should take a step back. I think Terry, as a moderator, has become too personally involved in this thread IMO. You don't see other moderators posting or behaving in the same fashion. Their role is to moderate; not to embroil themselves in the thick of one side of the argument.

 

First, the post that you referenced clearly indicated that the GT35R and GT37R used the same turbine, which they do not.

Second, you say that 67mm is the compressor inducer dimension. Yet, there are no GT35 nor GT37 compressors listed on Garrett's website with a 67mm inducer dimension. The largest compressor inducer dimension listed for the GT35 on Garrett's website is 61.4mm, and the largest compressor inducer dimension listed for the GT37 is 63.5mm. Check for yourself.

Third, obviously a compressor with a 67mm inducer is larger than any of the G35 or G37 compressors listed on Garrett's website, so we are again back to my original recommendation of getting a larger compressor.

Fourth, the OP's data indicates that he is operating at or beyond the choke line, which further supports my suggestion for a larger compressor.

Fifth, accusations were made, and I proved them false. Then suppositions were made without even addressing the accusations proved false.

One last thing, a GT3582 has an 82mm compressor exducer diameter, not an 82mm compressor inducer diameter... RudeG, you are confusing Garrett and Precision turbos. We have been discussing Garrett turbos in this thread.

 

lol wtf is going on in here...

 

OMG...

First, you are misinterpretting what 1ZweetZ was talking about in his post and you took it out of context. I have tried to clarify that for you, but you are not getting it. He was not referring to a Garrett 35R versus the 37R listed on Garrett's site, as you keep fixating on. He was referring to the turbo used in the kit, which is a modified turbo by Full Race. That turbo has the same turbine as a Garrett 35R. Nothing that 1ZweetZ posted about that specific turbo is factually incorrect. I don't know how to make it more clear than that and I don't know why you insist on twisting his post.


Second, here is the link to the Full Race version of the turbo, which I have already pointed out from Jorge's prior post...

http://www.full-race.com/catalog/pro...oducts_id=1107

^ Notice that Full Race labels it as a GT37R on the top of the page. I mentioned it in a prior post, but it's worth repeating and pointing out that the Garrett GT3788R was not listed on Garrett's website 2 years ago when the PowerLab kit was developed. Hence, one of the likely reasons this other turbo was used.


Third, you can fixate on Garrett's parts numbers and their labeling method all you want. That doesn't change the fact that this industry commonly refers to turbos by their compressor inducer size. When you see/hear folks refer to a 62mm or 67mm or 76mm turbo etc... they are referring to the inducer size. For example, most people knowledgabe in FI know that a 76mm turbo is capable of 1000+hp. If you didn't know and didn't automatically conclude that the 67mm compressor being referred to on the Full Race turbo was the inducer size, it shows your lack of knowledge about turbo labeling/sizing in general.


Fourth, you may be right about the OP operating past the choke line and I haven't disagreed with you on this point. The OP's desire to achieve 550-600+whp DJ on pump gas is asking too much of a Garrett 35R compressor to deliver. I have only disagreed with and disputed generalized statements made by those who said that a 35R will not make 600-650whp at all. This has been proven false. With race gas and an optimum FI setup, this turbo is capable of 600+whp when maxed out. It made 653whp on Intense's G. I don't know why this is still being disputed.

Fifth, I don't know what you're talking about or referring to here.


Lastly, the technical discussion that has taken place for the past few pages has not involved shop versus shop drama (thankfully). So why must you resort to making nuthugging comments towards me when I disagree with you or anybody else on the technical discussion at hand. Furthermore, I think I was very fair in this post, but I guess you glossed over it while you were busy in your offensive to discredit 1ZweetZ and I in a manner not fit for a moderator...

https://my350z.com/forum/8446525-post368.html

 

I see you made some edits as I was typing my response.

I realize that we are discussing Garrett turbos in this thread. But you challenged and questioned 1ZweetZ's statement about the use of a 67mm compressor in the turbo used by PowerLab. It appears that others in this thread understand what he meant and that you are the only one who seems to be confused about it.

I never stated that the 35R has a 82mm inducer. Not sure where you got that from. I clearly stated that it has a 61.4mm inducer.

You are the one who is confused and has muddied up the last two pages with your misunderstandings and misinterpretations of what others have posted. Perhaps you should get some sleep!

 

Misunderstandings and EGO

 

I dont even have or want this kit and you guys got me curious about it...lol.. Im tired as hell but cant sleep cause i gotta go back and read all this... (AGAIN)..

 

since your confused i figured i would repost the whole post.

 

the bold is inserted to help you understand your bad behavior.

there is a huge difference between knowledge and wisdom and i'm not entirely sure you have either......


let me help more:

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Personification of wisdom (in Greek, "Σοφία" or "Sophia") at the Celsus Library in Ephesus, Turkey.

Wisdom is a deep understanding and realizing of people, things, events or situations, resulting in the ability to choose or act to consistently produce the optimum results with a minimum of time and energy. Wisdom is the ability to optimally (effectively and efficiently) apply perceptions and knowledge and so produce the desired results. Wisdom is comprehension of what is true or right coupled with optimum judgment as to action. Synonyms include: sagacity, discernment, or insight. Wisdom often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions") so that one's principles, reason and knowledge prevail to determine one's actions.



i hope this clears things up for you

 

just because you copy paste info (alot of it) doesn't mean your being helpful or giving the op sound advise.he's all in on a kit and motor and you what?want him to start over?

anyone with a lick of experience knows his turbo is small for his goals,problem is he already owns it.i'm sure next time he will be a seasoned vet and will choose better.

if he was decieved into his purchase thats a whole other discussion,but in the meantime try to help him work within his current situation......he already said he was interested in affordable solutions......in the past few pages how many affordable solutions have you suggested?

and that is why i think you need to calm down stop posting compressor maps and study the definition of wisdom

 

I spoke with Garrett yesterday about the outer demensions of the 1.06 housing and it is only slightly bigger( 1/4 to 1/2 diameter). They felt that this would only throw off the downpipe angle by a few degrees which would mean 0 to mild mod to only the downpipe. The problem at this point with this solution is hotside virsus coldside inefficiency. I have also research the use of the larger ar housing on similar platforms and have found only 20-30 whp gains but with as much as 700-800 lag in spool time. To avoid changing the sweet spot of the powerband and only gain 20-30 whp, I think I would try Meth first then different turbo when I wanted to make a bigger jump. I just don't know if we can pull more power out of the setup by adding more bump because of the inefficiency of the turbo; so the gains would most likely be made by running more timing. Who Knows??



Also, as stated in an earier post, the 2.5 section of the exhaust was unhooked during the local dynojet sections and no significant gains where made. The dyno runs were done in 80 degree weather and produced ~510-520 whp with no corrections. This number correlated with IP's ~460 whp on their Dyno with a 1.13 correction. Finally, IP tested the setup with and without the coldair intake and saw no differents.

 

Go-fast, the intentions of both you and RudeG are abundantly clear to everyone who has been following this forum any significant time. If these exact same circumstances happened with a different turbo kit, say a GTM kit, both of you would be on the offensive at Sam's throat going for the kill. However, this turbo kit happened to be supplied by your favorite shop. So, rather than taking your typical offensive posture, you guys are playing defense.

 

Hmmm the upgrade doesn't seem worth it imHo... 20-30hps (more $$$$) and spool almost 800rpms LATER..... crap

 

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