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Vas, how do you only have 835 posts? Every new post in the forum is either from you or elperuano

 

+3000!

1. It is possible to state an opinion without attacking someone else.

2. No one is perfect so no need to make a big deal about it even if you feel someone is just plain wrong.

3. There is lots of good information and sound advice from many folks in this thread.

4. Let's leave the personal attacks out of it.

 

So that merits YOU as a moderator to go on the offensive against us and twist/distort/misconstrue posts by 1ZweetZ and I? I tried to politely clarify your misunderstanding about 1ZweetZ's statement and the turbo used by PowerLab. But you were dismissive and behaved just as biased as you accuse us of being. ...And since when is Intense go-fast's favorite shop?

 

loll.. i dunno i only post in the FI section

 

lolzer
same here... i only post in FI cuz like Ricky Bobby said I wanna go faaaaast!

 

 

The problem is you are seeing personal attacks where none exists. Just trying to get the thread locked?

1ZweetZ clarified his understanding of the differences in the part offerings.

Terry has been speaking to the facts as he understands them based on Garrett literature.

So where is all the twisting and distorting coming from? Is 1ZweetZ an official representative of PowerLab? Well neither is Terry. Both are allowed to have an opinion. Why do you have such a vested interest?

On a more positive note, this thread actually provides a good intellectual exercise for anyone who has approached the pump gas limit of their kit and wants a little something more... Fortunately for ST owners, getting to the turbo easily provides more options than is practical for most of the tt guys.

 

I am trying to stay out of this thread as much as possible as the lack of useful information is becoming more and more apparent with discussions on a turbo that is not included in the GT35r kit (upgrading to a 37R and explaining that the GT35 will make 600hp on other applications. When you install a 35R on a supra, or any other car that uses a turbo manifold setup that is directly bolted to the head, yes of course it will make power.

The question we have asked Intense time and time again is the BP and AITs regarding the piping with their kit. You say Intense had questions for Injected. All questions were answered in a short amount of time, except for a leak down test. Compression numbers are perfect (so we decided not to spend more unneeded time doing a leak down), no there is not a rag in the intercooler piping, couplers are secure (no boost leaks), exhaust is not restrictive, etc. Other shops that have either called or PMed us have had the same issues.

We have continued to help our customer without the assistance of Intense/Powerlab. Beyond our initial discussion with them they have not provided any useful information. We are still waiting to hear what AITs were shown when primary testing was done on the Powerlab/Intense kit. From what it seems, these were not measured. I was told to ask Jason at ProEFI, who does not work for Intense/Powerlab but seems like he is the only one that might have an idea.

RudeG has his own agenda. This has been clear for a while. He has accused Injected of bashing another vendor's kit because they are going to make their own, again FALSE. We do not compete with Intense in any fabricated parts and actually sell to them when they need something. James is still correct that his car will not make 500rwhp on a dyno dynamics dyno, which was his primary goal. He tested his car again on a DJ without the exhaust and found the same results. Although it did break the 500hp figure on this dyno (shows a 13% figure over Dyno Dynamics figures), his goal was to do this on a DD NOT a DJ.

 

I wish it was that simple but upgrading turbo's might throw off the way the piping was designed for the original set-up.. Although in a sense it is easier to deal with to have to re-fab piping jus sucks donkeys...

 

1st terry being a moderator should have taken a little control of this thread and had the OP post that he did indeed achieve 500wheel and have the thread title changed as it is unbelievably incorrect!

2nd yes there is some good info in here all to be had on Garretts website and at this point is also generating more OT(somewhat) and drifting from the OPs "issue" he thought he had.

I take no defense or offense on this matter as the OPs goal was met by a very simple method. It isnt a point of getting this thread locked but quite a bit of clean up needs to be done in here and a new thread needs to be started on all of the garrett info if it is so pertinent to the situation.

I will say this... if you want a different A/R or housing on your PL kit we will now offer it to you if requested at time of purchase. We will not reinvent this turbo kit based on pump gas "wants" of 500-550 wheel on a particular dyno

 

As a current owner and in the future for owner's who are going to advanced to built motors, it's would be excellent customer support to provide actual test proven data to help the customer make educated choices on the proper setup that will meet their needs rather it be effective power at the 500 hp on 93 oct, which seems to be an industry standard with this aftermarket platform, or MAX power with race gas. This type of data would help both in marketing the kits and give the customer an clear and honest point of reference when making a decision about your products. Don't base your marketing practices on what is allowed in the industry but what your produce can truely do.

 

Well, since you quoted me...

1. You could've just asked/PM'd the OP to have the title edited if you felt it was inappropriate. I'm sure he would have been happy to reword it - something like "The PowerLab Kit Did Not Meet My Expectations". Even better, help him out and he might add on, "But The Customer Service Was Awesome"

2. Are you looking out for the best interests of your customers or your sales figures when you say this thread should be cleaned up and a new one started? This thread was started by a forum member, who I think has been respectful and straightforward. If he no longer wishes to elicit feedback from the community, he can close the thread. A vendor of a product being discussed has an obvious conflict of interest, so when you suggest such things, it reflects poorly.

3. Only a few people got out of control and I don't think you or they'd be happy if Terry edited/deleted their posts.

 

And all the people said, Amen!

 

"1st terry being a moderator should have taken a little control of this thread and had the OP post that he did indeed achieve 500wheel and have the thread title changed as it is unbelievably incorrect!"


Unbelievably incorrect? Your product's claims are misleading under any normal expectation.

Who would expect the caveat of "Not on a DD and Only when pushed beyond Garrets recommended operational limits?"

Hows that for a thread title

 

Here ya go Greg...

Back pressure being tested in front of the turbo was about 45psi ALL IN (...it would hit about 25 or 27lbs, then drop to around 19 or 20lbs as 35 can't sustain that boost on that engine it seems)

AITs were at 145 degrees F.

This information was direct from Pro EFI (Jason) who did all of the tuning on our G35 on the 35R, 37R, and 76S kits.

Let the next 27pages of topic/off topic/speculation/drama/agendas/whatever continue from here. LOL


Dyno Jet is industry standard, OEM s use it btw.

We did not test on every dyno out there. There will never be a resolution to this thread or the OP's "issue" yet the threads continues on. I'm still curious as I have never heard from the OP directly to me what he actually wants out of this "situation " from PowerLab. OP acheived 500Wheel on pump gas on the same dyno we used. DONE

I am of the belief that you wouldn't change the title regardless of anything and thats fine, hello pot meet kettle?

 

You just posted you made over 500hp on a DJ which is what intense uses and what intense based their statements on. They can't tell you what it will make on every single dyno in the world. They don't have them. They built it and tested it on their DJ platform and it shows DJ right on the dyno sheets. How is that not clear as a bell to you?

if you wanted more on a different dyno that is your own adjenda and has nothing to do with the fact that they said you can get 500hp on a DJ with sae correction. You proved that statement true yourself.

 

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so you are here to defend....unbiasness.... LOL wow, where were you 14 pages ago????? with a deceiving thread title and insinuations that didnt help at all and probably is what turned the thread for the worst... other than that people were here to help the OP....

I know your car is at gtm but since you are bringin them into this lets make it clear... when for over a year it was paraded at over 1000whp..was there even a dyno? lol.... i didnt see them tryign to rate their kit for what it can do only on pump gas .....

You are the one that came here copy/paste lots of info that had nothing to do with the turbo in question, you are the one that suggested it was a gt37r garrett and somehow that became as if a statement by PL apparently cause thats what everybody assumed already in the thread.... and yet you know nothing about the kit 1st hand.... i hope rudes posts clear it up for you



...listen if someone posts wrong information and gets corrected, how is that attacking somebody?... not sure how you managed to spin it this, but it seems like you have been successful with out much effort to convince ttg35fort and other mods that, rude and go-fast are abrasive, and they should not comment on this threads because of a bias.....
LOL... you have been nothing but biased for the long time yourself, you post all the time in shops you are "friends with' and constantly comment on them and you defend them even probably worst than navigolf when its indefensible..... it isn't fair to imply that he is wrong unbiased when you are doing the exact same thing, just more stubble way, such as the other plenty of strawman comments that you tried to accuse me off such as i suggest "he run his car with out an exhaust" when i have been just trying to suggest he checks back-pressure .

The focus of the moderation... they don't care if you spout off stupid shlt only if you curse...so you quickly cry the " he is insulting me" after you take indirect jabs... you have been successful at baiting perhaps, but are no saint here.

For you to say that the OP has been straightforward and respectful is UTTERLY BIASED, considering he is using tangential exaggerations and insinuations in the thread that you just put more fuel to that fire....which IMO makes you look like a hypocrite considering how you acted in "other" threads where, it was even insinuations but actual pictures....

let me give you examples:
"Your product's claims are misleading under any normal expectation."

lol so...yah... just like an argument used to defend someone elses kit here that you are friends withand you also said, i didnt know they(powerlab) had to test 100+ car builds and make a claim on what everybody runs on pump only(normal expectations)


"Not on a DD and Only when pushed beyond Garrets recommended operational limits?"
again... lol do you realize that this statement sound like jsut a cry about " dyno numbers and comparing dynojets to DDs in a useless way?...you would have called it out that way easily... had it been a kit from someone you are more friendly with though.
So you really think you shoudl only run turbos to what basic specifications are?..... its not all 100% like the squirrel calculator, its just a guide...not every engine performs the same or has the same limiations. The turbo is just 1 part of the whole equation and then there is tunning capabilities involved too. Ask hal and he can tell you how much more power than expected hes gotten out of setups on the race power dyno runs.


"Don't base your marketing practices on what is allowed in the industry but what your produce can truely do"
lol...so if you put race gas it can't trully do waht they claimed????
i didnt realize it was industry standard to report only pump gas numbers and advertise that only in their kits....lol... ..i didnt see it anywhere here
http://www.turbo-kits.com/g35_turbo_kits.html


exactly!

 

Intense....i'm glad someone else sees how simple it is.

I mean, ya, it's a bummer the guys goal was 500whp on a DD. great fine and dandy but every manufacturer can't test every turbo on every car on every dyno. Hell, even car to car could range 5-10% different numbers with the exact same parts, kit, dyno. Maybe one had a tight motor from factory and one a loose one. Who knows.

Either way, 500hp on an SAE corrected DJ is what the results were shown. I can read so i understand that. Not sure why it's so hard for others.