Vas,

That's not Darren you're talking to. That's Pete. I know you said that you didn't mean what you said earlier and that your post came across the wrong way. But I know your posts still offended the peeps at Intense and PowerLab. You seemed very critical of Intense and PowerLab, especially with your comments about how the kit is marketed/advertised. It was perceived that you were just trying to fan the flames rather than trying to offer anything helpful to the OP or the technical discussion. Sorry if Pete's response seemed a bit harsh. Hope you can understand his perspective and the BS he has already had to deal with in this thread, including Intense's integrity being questioned on the 653whp dyno result during testing. Just sayin...

Hope there's no further hard feelings

 

Well said Eric, now back to trying to figure out how to get the OP the power that he wants.

OP- there are some questions in here that need to be answered so that the people in here that are trying to help you can have a better idea of what is going on.

 

no hard feelings what's so ever. Pete was very kind to PM me and we got to straighten everything out !

I really hope OP gets his problem solved and gets the power he wants!

 

Sorry for the delay in reponding, I have an extremely busy schedule this week at work and several over things going on as well. The kit was purchased and installed at Performance factory when I was in Florida. When I was back in NC I had Hal check the tune and retune some of the driveability portion of the tune. The Kit on the stock motor made excellent power and performed well. There is no questions about that. The problem lays in the fact that the kit is advertised to make built motor levels of power but does not. If I am to retitle the thread to meet the needs of Intense/ Powerlab or who ever makes/sales the kit. Shouldn't they be alittle more honest about the realistic power potential of the said kit??


As far as testing the components, engine, turbo, etc, I will let Injected Performance answer those question when they are able.

 

Thanks

Now back on topic...

I do not believe the OP's problems have anything to do with the PowerLab kit's design or the .82AR turbine housing because I have personally seen the kit perform at much higher levels on numerous occasions.

IMO the cause is most likely one of these things:

• an obstruction or restriction
• a leak
• a faulty or damaged turbo
• shenanigans (let's hope not)

 

It sounds like Injected installed the built motor. Is that correct? If so, wouldn't they have to partially disassemble and reinstall the PowerLab kit to do the motor swap? If Injected wasn't the original installer and since the kit had ~5000 miles on it, did they thoroughly inspect the kit (check piping for both leaks & obstructions, check gaskets, check couplers, check O-rings, inspect wastegate, inspect turbo) prior to reassembling it to the built motor?



Yes, Injected has done the the complete engine build project from start to finish. From several discusion by phone, I know that the checks listed above have been done as well as compression test, leak down test, and pressure test on piping.

Back to the waste gate/boost controller statement. Sorry for the confusion, I was speaking more of the 29 psi to 20 psi levels to product power. Injected could not produce power past 15 psi and felt it loss power and become dangerous to the engine to push pass this point. I Think but don't know for certain that they attempted pulls ~20-21 psi with poor results.

I have spoken with 2 other Powerlab owners who have not come forward on this site but in private conversion have told me they have experienced the exact same situation. They reports similar findings that Injected has forwarded to me. I hope they will step forward and add to this discussion.

 

If are able to provide documented prove of the gt35r kit being able to produce power levels above 500 hp on pumped gas, please post the results and ask that they join the discussion. If it is the GT37r or 76, it does not pertain to this thread. Thank you

 

Wastegate stuck partially open?

Is the boost real sluggish?

 

I'm curious who told you that you will be making over 500wheel on pump gas?

 

The wastegate has been removed from the car and inspected. Not problems found. Also, all of the hot air side piping has been header wrapped.

I have never said that I or Injected performance is at war with anybody. When is speak of an resolution, I would like Powerlab to discuss this on a professional and technical level with myself and Injected performance and come up with a solution.

 

What is the Solution you are looking for. Just trying to clarify.

Again who told you you would be making over 500wheel horsepower on pump gas.

THERE IS ZERO DISCPUTE that this kit will make over 600wheel on Raace gas but, that isn't what your "issue" seems to be.

 

Why would anybody spend the money, time, and effort building an engine, buy and install the support mods and deal with the down time to complete this kind of project and not to see results better than you can achieve to the stock setup. Why do you advise your produce the way you do if the kit would achieve this very conservative goal. Are you now trying to say that this produce is not intended for build engines and requires modications and different turbos to achieve build level for power?

 

What level of power do you think this is able to achieve on pumped gas? If it is 400 hp, why do you advertise for built motors? With the data that has been collected by Injected that even with race gas that I would even come close to achieving the 650 whp mark that you clam to achieve with the kit in it's current setup without modifying piping or changing the turbo out. Why would I take this chance if it can't even achieve 500whp. Are you willing to foot the cost?

 

if you look at those posts that str8dum1 posted the person put a turbo blanket on the turbo and heat wrapped the INTAKE piping.

You siad you have the hotside header wrapped but you don't have the turbo wrapped to keep the engine bay temps from soaking into your charge pipe that goes into your intercooler.

These turbos are notorious for making engine bay temps crazy hot which increases IAT's. simple easy thing to do just to test if that helps any.

you get those IAT's down to 120* or so and you'll make a lot more power than at 180*.

 

I am sorry for omitting information. I have a turbo blanklet and charge pipe is wrapped over the downpipe . The header wrap has also been treated with heat resistant paint.


I don't want the thread to become anymore heated so I am not going to post anything else until Injected Performance has had a chance to ring in and add their finding, data, opinions, etc etc. I think their information will add some clarity to the situation. As you can tell, I am very frustrated by the results and don't want to cause heated exchanges due to my emotions. I hope that this educates the forum and helps come up with an solution.

 

Did WE advise you of anything on your kit?

I never said nor am I trying to say that... please do not put words or assume words in my mouth again. I am here trying to help. I did not sell you the kit nor make any claims of anything to YOU.
(THOUGH BASED ON WHO SOLD YOU THE KIT I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SURPRISED THAT YOU HAVE ANY LET DOWN ON THIS KIT OR ANYTHING THEY TOLD YOU SOLELY BASED ON WHO SOLD IT TO YOU (PF), THEY'VE NEVER BEEN FOUND OF FRAUD OR MISREPRESENTATION AT ALL HERE OR IN ANY INDUSTRY... SARCASM MUCH)

PERFORMANCE FACTORY WAS DROPPED AS A DEALER DUE TO THESE ISSUES (FRAUD AND MISREPRESENTATION) PRIOR TO THEIR DEMISE BTW

Just because Injected says something to you based on opinion or their "findings" doesn't make it the last word either.

Again we have shown all of our cards with videos or dyno, and track runs on our vehicle(s)

No WE are not willing to foot the cost of your project that you started with a now defunct proven fraudulent company (PF) and now with pawned off to Injected.

Too many cooks in the kitchen perhaps?

We(I) did ask Injected if basic tests were done... Leak down and compression. The compression answer was given but, no response on the leak down question. (This is in no way accusing Injected of anything fraudulent or shady but, I can only go off info that has been given to me.) So far not much has been given.

Yet, you are willing to be judge and jury on PowerLab based on the small amount of info youve been given but, no questions from Injected to PowerLab have been asked. Doesn't seem like everything is being done to help on that end but, again it would just be one person asking another person if they checked this and this. There are variables here even outside of Injected at this point.

Up to this point there is one post by Injected and the rest is third party info(OP).

Another question is why wasn't PowerLab contacted directly by Injected if there were an issue of this "magnitude"?

One would think that there would be some motivation to contact the Manufacture of the product if this was of this much importance to them.

 

this post is FTL. reading the powerlab advertisement i would assume just as much as 95% of people here that on regular 93 pump this kit would be in the 5xx's/whp torque without a sweat.i like the powerlab kit as im a former turbonetics owner but dang. someone should throw some race gas on a turbonetics kit and make 600whp and advertise it as that?
i got nothing against intense as im a frequent buyer from the site as well. i think we should withhold from posting so we dont take this thread where it shouldnt go.

 

People tried that and spends thousands upon thousands of dollars modding the TN kit. PF got Tauran for big $$$ on it and at the end of the day on race gas and big build the TN kit barely got over 500wheel.

This is when PF became a PowerLab dealer. The old addage of if you can't beat em join em.

This was way prior to his downfall years and years ago (2006ish)

 

"The GT35R Turbo Kit from PowerLab offers the most efficient and highest horsepower potential capabilities on the market. Whether you’re looking for approximately 400RWHP on a stock motor or 653RWHP on a semi built motor and upgraded fuel components, then the PowerLab GT35R Turbo Kit is the kit for you."

With this type of advertising, what are you telling your customers?? Don't buy this kit if you have a build motor and want to make power!

I have never seen Turbonetics make a claim anywhere close to this. So going down that road, you take your own risks.

As far as Jeremy Tibbs; the car, once again, ran well at the stock power level that you advertised so I don't know were you are going with that statement. Other than diverting attention from your product and business dealings.

 

Notice a difference?
- Approximately 15 hour install time

- This kit was designed for 6MT vehicles, 5AT vehicles will require modification of the kit.

- If you are running a dual exhaust a reverse Y-pipe will need to be fabricated.

** TUNER KIT IS AVAILABLE ALSO WITHOUT INJECTORS, FUEL PUMP, AND UTEC FOR $5950 **

The 650whp marker was achieved on C16 race gas.


This is the cached version from google of their website

- Approximately 15 hour install time

- This kit was designed for 6MT vehicles, 5AT vehicles will require modification of the kit.

- If you are running a dual exhaust a reverse Y-pipe will need to be fabricated.

** TUNER KIT IS AVAILABLE ALSO WITHOUT INJECTORS, FUEL PUMP, AND UTEC FOR $6120.00 **

Notice no C16 race gas mention. lol