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Old 10-04-2011 | 04:03 PM
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This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

You claim that you were driving around with a Greddy 20g turbo kit and 440cc injectors and a 100% stock tune / ecu??? The engine would blow up in no time flat, drive like ****, and have non-stop DTC codes.... and it certainly would not make 500hp later on after having gone through that. You believe that you have been running around on a 100% stock fuel and timing curves with boost since February? GTFO. If you had a stock tune in that car your engine wouldnt have lasted a week!!!

for your complaint with Performance Motorsports that they misplaced one of your **injector clips**.... thats like a $5 part. Are you kidding me? You claim you had to buy a new set of injectors because you cannot get the clip anymore?? REALLY?? What injectors do you have that you can no longer buy clips for??

This thread is complete ******** and im really dissappointed to see so many of you people believe any of this.

This type of BS seriously damages a companies reputation.. and lets really analyze here if that is fair in this situation:

Customer is pissy that PM lost a $5 injector clip, and he was unhappy with his tune. Apparently they had his car a week to swap the injectors for him and tune.

It sounds to me like that only thing they even did "wrong" was tune your car a little rich. Did you ask them to clean it up afterwords a little bit? Based on your displayed levels of reasoning, i highly doubt it. You probably went straight into attack mode. And you cannot bash them for you buying 440cc injectors and paying them to install them. You could have installed them yourself, and you could have said no to the injectors.

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While your running your mouth explain what happen to the uprev tune on the ecs I notice you forgot to mention that point while your were protecting a Fellow vendor.
Yes it was a $5 clip....that no one had the tuner sent his worker to see if he could find one and he couldn't. The guy drove a little over 2hrs to get his car running right so what was he going to do drive back home until he could locate a $5 clip? You have a lot to say but you didn't say " I have that clip you need just sent me the 5 bucks" wow funny how PM didn't chime in on this tread,I know there reading this just like you.

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And you cannot bash them for you buying 440cc injectors and paying them to install them. You could have installed them yourself, and you could have said no to the injectors.
He already had 800cc injectors. They told him they couldn't work 800cc injectors on Uprev and proceeded to sell him 440cc. The losing of the 800cc clip is besides the point, but another ding nevertheless. if I read all that right.

vince @RTT is a no bs guy and I trust him more than most vendors on here. Either the OP was stock or had something other than uprev loaded on his ECU.

Surviving on a pig rich stock timing map (pig rich is a given with larger injectors) is very plausible if you rarely see boost. I've hit full boost pulls at least 3 times on stock timing and my engine survived thankfully. This was caused by a failed MAP sensor back when I had a UTEC.

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While your running your mouth explain what happen to the uprev tune on the ecs I notice you forgot to mention that point while your were protecting a Fellow vendor.
Yes it was a $5 clip....that no one had the tuner sent his worker to see if he could find one and he couldn't. The guy drove a little over 2hrs to get his car running right so what was he going to do drive back home until he could locate a $5 clip? You have a lot to say but you didn't say " I have that clip you need just sent me the 5 bucks" wow funny how PM didn't chime in on this tread,I know there reading this just like you.
Obvious some sort of error occurred. But if the ECU had no tune in it, the car wouldnt have gone 8 MONTHS of being turbocharged. Dont even pretend to be that stupid. Theres guys here they cant keep their BUILT engines in one piece after days spent tuning them... dont try and tell me this guys stock HR motor just had no problem holding boost for 9 months on all stock maps. GTFO.

And yes, it was a $5 injector clip, and thats all it was. I dont give a **** who spent how long trying to find one locally and failed. It doesnt matter, its just a $5 clip. **** happens, things get misplaced. Its his own damn fault for driving so far to get tuned without making sure he even had everything first. Thats just the way it goes in the tuning world, there are OFTEN DELAYS. Sure he has a right to be ANNOYED by an injector clip missing, but its just a measly injector clip and certainly not worth this type of out of control bashing over such a minor thing.

No i didnt say " I have that clip you need just sent me the 5 buck" because i will most certainly avoid at all costs ever doing business with this OP or you, because people with this type of attitude problems are the WORST THING that can happen to a business.

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Old 10-04-2011 | 04:50 PM
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He already had 800cc injectors. They told him they couldn't work 800cc injectors on Uprev and proceeded to sell him 440cc. The losing of the 800cc clip is besides the point, but another ding nevertheless. if I read all that right.

vince @RTT is a no bs guy and I trust him more than most vendors on here. Either the OP was stock or had something other than uprev loaded on his ECU.

Surviving on a pig rich stock timing map (pig rich is a given with larger injectors) is very plausible if you rarely see boost. I've hit full boost pulls at least 3 times on stock timing and my engine survived thankfully. This was caused by a failed MAP sensor back when I had a UTEC.
So they couldnt get the car to run well with his 800cc, or they couldnt get it to run to how they would consider it well... or whatever it is. Whatever it was, he must have given them the OK to install 440 injectors. If he didnt want them, and he insisted on a 800cc tune, then he should have just taken his car elsewhere if they continued to turn it down.

I have spoken to vince also and he seems like a legit guy. I am not accusing him of anything. I am accusing the original poster and his supporters for wild accusations that do not even add up. The entire theory of his car going 9 months with aftermarket fuel setup and turbo system on a 100% stock maps is just plain absurd.

Ya you can limp around stock tune sure... but this is 9 months here. If the car was soooooo bad, why do i have a feeling he wouldnt have waited 9 months to get it tuned again? Why do I have a feeling he boosted it plenty more than 3 times in 9 months? I mean come on.
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Originally Posted by phunk
This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

You claim that you were driving around with a Greddy 20g turbo kit and 440cc injectors and a 100% stock tune / ecu??? The engine would blow up in no time flat, drive like ****, and have non-stop DTC codes.... and it certainly would not make 500hp later on after having gone through that. You believe that you have been running around on a 100% stock fuel and timing curves with boost since February? GTFO. If you had a stock tune in that car your engine wouldnt have lasted a week!!!

for your complaint with Performance Motorsports that they misplaced one of your **injector clips**.... thats like a $5 part. Are you kidding me? You claim you had to buy a new set of injectors because you cannot get the clip anymore?? REALLY?? What injectors do you have that you can no longer buy clips for??
If it was that easy, then I would've gotten that clip and not have to buy a new set of injectors. I have the older model Deatchwerks 800cc injectors that are no longer being sold. I bought them a year ago from Injected Performance.

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Customer is pissy that PM lost a $5 injector clip, and he was unhappy with his tune. Apparently they had his car a week to swap the injectors for him and tune.

It sounds to me like that only thing they even did "wrong" was tune your car a little rich. Did you ask them to clean it up afterwords a little bit? Based on your displayed levels of reasoning, i highly doubt it. You probably went straight into attack mode. And you cannot bash them for you buying 440cc injectors and paying them to install them. You could have installed them yourself, and you could have said no to the injectors.
They called me and told me that they can't scale my 800cc injectors, they only way they would be able to "tune" my car is if I put in smaller sized injectors. My car was already at their shop so it only made sense to have them get the injectors for me and install it so they could proceed with the "tune". It would've been pretty dumb for me to go get my car, drive it back to Queens, order the injectors from online and wait for them to come, install it and then drive back. Don't you agree?

It also seems that you missed the main point of this thread. It wasn't to point out the injector and its missing clip. It was to point out that my ECU was stock when I carried it to get retuned. Do you have a defense for that as well? I would love to hear how you explain that.

I barely drive my car, as stated in previous post on this thread. I drive it a couple blocks away and park it up at the train station when I go to work. I also don't abuse my car. So if you take that into consideration, my motor hasn't seen enough miles to put any kind of strain on it.
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PHUNK........



First off lets get the clip thing right, it was a rubber o ring off the bottom of the injector... While looking thru various DW injectors and not seeing an exact match it was determined that the tuner would purchase a set of identical injectors sell the op one injector end of story.. The injectors were in fact not the same as the new Dw's so Russell purchased them in hopes of finally putting this all behind him...

I will tell u I kno for a fact I ran my car with 550 cc injectors no Haltech no tune for approx.600 miles then got a base map for the injectors n 3 psi boost cut and drove 800 miles to Kentucky at 80+ miles an hour.. I drive my car every day, I take it to work every day jus like I did with the stock Ecu before I was tuned...

There is documented proof my Haltech was not working after I installed the turbo, it was sent back to Dynosty to get checked out.. Short from posting fuel receipts toll receipts parking receipts and check stub to prove I went to work, how can I prove to u I drove my car with no tune?
It is possible, u don't have to drive like an ***....

Also I'd like u to explain how a motor blows wen the car is parked with the key outta the ignition? Can u read, the guy hardly drives his car...

Next, assuming u read everything are u calling RT out ? Could it be possible that Vince didn't kno Wat he was talking about? Are u saying that he erased the uprev made Russell buy another license cause he wanted to make money?
Wat are u saying PHUNK where did the license go?

If u wanna talk direct ill be more than happy to speak to u, cause I can't keep up with this forum madness....
The guy is looking for answers, I'm sure pm saw this by now..

He called them, Wat did they do to help him rectify the situation?
They told him they got the roms on their computer n put him on hold.
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Originally Posted by phunk
Ya you can limp around stock tune sure... but this is 9 months here. If the car was soooooo bad, why do i have a feeling he wouldnt have waited 9 months to get it tuned again? Why do I have a feeling he boosted it plenty more than 3 times in 9 months? I mean come on.
First of all you don't know how the OP drive it you are making assumptions. Not everyone goes around pounding boost every chance they get. I know people personally that we joke about never having heard their own blow off valve.

Secondly, haven driven my boosted G on a stock tune and ECU with 440CC injectors for a couple months (between UTEC and Uprev) I will tell you it ran almost like stock, and had very little knock as high as 3 or 4 psi but I didn't push it past that. A fuel return (which I have) gives even more safety. The 440CC's are just before the point when things go south without changing key parts of the tune. If he had anything larger than 440CC's I would be much more skeptical. Having said that, seems kind of illogical a shop would recommend 440CC's for 20G's on an HR.
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the last time I saw your car was at the VTR BBQ in July...



every time I saw Russell he never beat on his car and drove slow... he always said it never felt right.

I just am glad it's running fine and working properly.
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Phunk, Thats nice....we'll all be sure to avoid doing business with you as well. ANYWAY, before you ask questions and answer them for yourself, YES we did ask performance to fix the issue with the tune. However, when it came time to get both of our cars in (my N/A Z at the time, which was misfiring after their "tune" and his TT Z that was supposedly tuned) we got the run around again. Never got a time slot to bring our cars in. They were always "too busy". And as far as blowing the motor give me a break. Your not the driver of the car. I can drive my car in the city all day long and not hit boost. I hit boost several times UNTUNED and my motor seems pretty damn fine. This forum is like the news. When something bad happens people post thats why everyone is so afraid of FI. Nobody makes posts here saying today my car ran fine do they? No because it would be pointless to see all those posts everyday.
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Originally Posted by phunk
This thread is absolutely ridiculous. Of course it's ridiculous, they sell your products

You claim that you were driving around with a Greddy 20g turbo kit and 440cc injectors and a 100% stock tune / ecu??? The engine would blow up in no time flat, drive like ****, and have non-stop DTC codes.... and it certainly would not make 500hp later on after having gone through that. You believe that you have been running around on a 100% stock fuel and timing curves with boost since February? GTFO. If you had a stock tune in that car your engine wouldnt have lasted a week!!!
February? how does an October 23rd tune turn into February???

for your complaint with Performance Motorsports that they misplaced one of your **injector clips**.... thats like a $5 part. Are you kidding me? You claim you had to buy a new set of injectors because you cannot get the clip anymore?? REALLY?? What injectors do you have that you can no longer buy clips for?? rubber grommet or O-ring, not a clip

This thread is complete ******** and im really dissappointed to see so many of you people believe any of this. so what happened to the uprev tune from PM, maybe the car got so cold while it was parked outside in February and uprev tune decided to fly south right???

This type of BS seriously damages a companies reputation.. and lets really analyze here if that is fair in this situation:

Customer is pissy that PM lost a $5 injector clip, and he was unhappy with his tune. Apparently they had his car a week to swap the injectors for him and tune.

It sounds to me like that only thing they even did "wrong" was tune your car a little rich. Did you ask them to clean it up afterwords a little bit? Based on your displayed levels of reasoning, i highly doubt it. You probably went straight into attack mode. And you cannot bash them for you buying 440cc injectors and paying them to install them. You could have installed them yourself, and you could have said no to the injectors.
now that sounds ridiculous
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If it was that easy, then I would've gotten that clip and not have to buy a new set of injectors. I have the older model Deatchwerks 800cc injectors that are no longer being sold. I bought them a year ago from Injected Performance.
Who told you that the clips can no longer be purchased?


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They called me and told me that they can't scale my 800cc injectors, they only way they would be able to "tune" my car is if I put in smaller sized injectors. My car was already at their shop so it only made sense to have them get the injectors for me and install it so they could proceed with the "tune". It would've been pretty dumb for me to go get my car, drive it back to Queens, order the injectors from online and wait for them to come, install it and then drive back. Don't you agree?
I DO AGREE, but you obviously do not. Because you are now bashing them for putting in the injectors that you gave them the OK to install. Clearly it was no surprise to you, you spoke to them about it, and authorized them to do it. If you didnt agree with their assessment, then you have every right to remove your car from their shop... but when you GIVE THE OK to do work on your car, you certainly cannot complain later about it. Maybe your second tuner knows how to do something that they do not, maybe PM had a reason to believe it couldnt be done, maybe in the last 9 months there was a software update that allows it to be done better now... WHATEVER THE CASE IS, you authorized the injector swap, so you cannot act like they scammed you into it.


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It also seems that you missed the main point of this thread. It wasn't to point out the injector and its missing clip. It was to point out that my ECU was stock when I carried it to get retuned. Do you have a defense for that as well? I would love to hear how you explain that.
No, I didnt miss your main point at all. I actually just COMPLETELY IGNORED IT because its nonsense. There's no way the car lasted 8-9 months on stock tune. The car would drive like complete **** full time and any boost at all would destroy that engine.
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Who told you that the clips can no longer be purchased?

I DO AGREE, but you obviously do not. Because you are now bashing them for putting in the injectors that you gave them the OK to install. Clearly it was no surprise to you, you spoke to them about it, and authorized them to do it. If you didnt agree with their assessment, then you have every right to remove your car from their shop... but when you GIVE THE OK to do work on your car, you certainly cannot complain later about it. Maybe your second tuner knows how to do something that they do not, maybe PM had a reason to believe it couldnt be done, maybe in the last 9 months there was a software update that allows it to be done better now... WHATEVER THE CASE IS, you authorized the injector swap, so you cannot act like they scammed you into it.
Where am I bashing them about installing 440cc injectors?

I'm stating that they told me the 800cc couldn't be tuned, and that I needed 440cc injectors. I bought it and had it installed because I trusted their opinion at the time. I needed my car to be "tuned"

I never bashed them for putting 440cc injectors in my car. Can you read?

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Originally Posted by phunk
Who told you that the clips can no longer be purchased?




I DO AGREE, but you obviously do not. Because you are now bashing them for putting in the injectors that you gave them the OK to install. Clearly it was no surprise to you, you spoke to them about it, and authorized them to do it. If you didnt agree with their assessment, then you have every right to remove your car from their shop... but when you GIVE THE OK to do work on your car, you certainly cannot complain later about it. Maybe your second tuner knows how to do something that they do not, maybe PM had a reason to believe it couldnt be done, maybe in the last 9 months there was a software update that allows it to be done better now... WHATEVER THE CASE IS, you authorized the injector swap, so you cannot act like they scammed you into it.




No, I didnt miss your main point at all. I actually just COMPLETELY IGNORED IT because its nonsense. There's no way the car lasted 8-9 months on stock tune. The car would drive like complete **** full time and any boost at all would destroy that engine.
Very foolish of u, cause now I kno ur jus running ur mouth n haven't read SHlT!

HE HARDLY DRIVES THE CAR, N WEN HE DOES HE DOESN'T DRIVE IT HARD!

How can a motor blow if the car is parked in his garage?
Others have chimed in n stated he doesn't beat on his car...

Wat do u not believe?
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No he can't read... If He could he wouldn't have said 8months of boost.... The guy has done 1500 mile in the last 10 months. And I don't need squat from you there are plenty of honest vendors to do business with. No one hear is trying to damage Performance Motorsports reputation their doing all on their own....

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Originally Posted by TRYNALIVEPRO
Of course it's ridiculous, they sell your products
they all do... by speaking poor/well of any VQ tuner, I am pissing off at least one of my dealers. Oh well. I am entitled to have my own opinion or skepticism on what I see on these forums. I dont care if I sell products, there's no relationship. If you want to create a relationship, be my guest.

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February? how does an October 23rd tune turn into February???
https://my350z.com/forum/8979190-post72.html
^^^ 2/22/11 (2 = February).

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rubber grommet or O-ring, not a clip
Even less significant.

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This thread is complete ******** and im really dissappointed to see so many of you people believe any of this. so what happened to the uprev tune from PM, maybe the car got so cold while it was parked outside in February and uprev tune decided to fly south right???
There is clearly is a misunderstanding somewhere. PM tunes Uprevs all the time. They have no reason to intentionally leave a customer ECU stock when tuning it. I am failing to believe it was truly left stock, or at least returned to him stock. I do not believe the customer would have tolerated the running conditions of the car for almost a year if it was running like that. If he did, then the only thing I can think of is that when they went to do the final reflash they accidently loaded in the STOCK rom rather than the ROM they had been tuning... I guess its possible that mistake was made... but I know PM would never intentionally screw a customer like that. I speak to many 370z guys that get tuned there (customers who wanted to ask me fuel system related questions), and they are all happy.

If PM really returned this guys car with a STOCK flash, it would have to have been an unintentional mistake... there is just no reason they would bother to mess with a customer like that. Especially when they have piles of base maps for VQs anyway.
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Phunk, the date is clearly on the dyno sheet, not the post date
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Phunk, the date is clearly on the dyno sheet, not the post date
Which makes it even longer ago....... So now the car went an entire year like this.....
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Phunk... With all due respect you sound like a fool! There are almost 1300 views of this tread and you come in on the tread bashing everyones opinions and PM has yet to reply. You really look good on here.

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I DO AGREE, but you obviously do not. Because you are now bashing them for putting in the injectors that you gave them the OK to install. Clearly it was no surprise to you, you spoke to them about it, and authorized them to do it. If you didnt agree with their assessment, then you have every right to remove your car from their shop... but when you GIVE THE OK to do work on your car, you certainly cannot complain later about it. Maybe your second tuner knows how to do something that they do not, maybe PM had a reason to believe it couldnt be done, maybe in the last 9 months there was a software update that allows it to be done better now... WHATEVER THE CASE IS, you authorized the injector swap, so you cannot act like they scammed you into it.
So you're saying if I go to the doctors office and the doctor tells me I need to have my left nut removed, and I later find out there was no reason for it to have been removed in the first place I should keep my mouth shut and not complain b/c I gave him the OK? B/C I put my trust into a person who does this for a living? If we knew how to tune the car ourselves we wouldnt have taken it to a shop now would we? If you take your car somewhere and they tell you that you need X amount of parts you would trust their advice. Its sad to see people taking such advantage of others nowadays.


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