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Old 10-04-2011 | 05:45 PM
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The dyno graph shows the car making 437rwhp. Full boost just after 3000rpm there...

I am sorry, the car did not create that graph on stock timing maps and stock fuel maps. If the car was TRULY given back to the customer with a stock flash in it, then the only thing that could have happened was if they accidently flashed the stock ROM back in after tuning. Maybe they did all the tuning in real time tuning and then forgot to save it to the ROM before flashing it? MAYBE. But theres no way they didnt tune the car, I guess I will give you guys the maybe that they accidently didnt save it to the ROM when done.
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So you're saying if I go to the doctors office and the doctor tells me I need to have my left nut removed, and I later find out there was no reason for it to have been removed in the first place I should keep my mouth shut and not complain b/c I gave him the OK? B/C I put my trust into a person who does this for a living? If we knew how to tune the car ourselves we wouldnt have taken it to a shop now would we? If you take your car somewhere and they tell you that you need X amount of parts you would trust their advice. Its sad to see people taking such advantage of others nowadays.
No, Actually... I am saying that if a tuner is having trouble getting your car to run well on 800cc injectors and he suggests you use a smaller injector and you give him the OK to do so, then you do not hold it against them later.

As for your nuts, I cannot help you. Ask your doctor.

Lol if you think PM talked him into the injectors for the money. How much you think is actually made on parts like that??? Waste of time unless believed needed. I would be more skeptical of whoever made him buy an entire new set of 800cc injectors because he was missing an o-ring.
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The dyno graph shows the car making 437rwhp. Full boost just after 3000rpm there...

I am sorry, the car did not create that graph on stock timing maps and stock fuel maps. If the car was TRULY given back to the customer with a stock flash in it, then the only thing that could have happened was if they accidently flashed the stock ROM back in after tuning. Maybe they did all the tuning in real time tuning and then forgot to save it to the ROM before flashing it? MAYBE. But theres no way they didnt tune the car, I guess I will give you guys the maybe that they accidently didnt save it to the ROM when done.
If that's the case, all they have to do is just reply and clarify the situation. I would love to hear an explanation.
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One nut gone!
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If PM really returned this guys car with a STOCK flash, it would have to have been an unintentional mistake... there is just no reason they would bother to mess with a customer like that. Especially when they have piles of base maps for VQs anyway.[/QUOTE]


So lets say it was unintentional, dont you think that mistake calls for a refund? He paid for a tune that was never received.
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No, Actually... I am saying that if a tuner is having trouble getting your car to run well on 800cc injectors and he suggests you use a smaller injector and you give him the OK to do so, then you do not hold it against them later.

As for your nuts, I cannot help you. Ask your doctor.

Lol if you think PM talked him into the injectors for the money. How much you think is actually made on parts like that??? Waste of time unless believed needed. I would be more skeptical of whoever made him buy an entire new set of 800cc injectors because he was missing an o-ring.
I don't feel like repeating myself, but here goes...

I gave them the ok because they told me that's what I need to get my car tuned. They told me they could not tune my 800cc injectors.

Now, the reason why I hold it against them later is because I found out that it is indeed possible to tune 800cc injectors. Performance made it seem that it was impossible to tune them.

So if it was indeed possible, then why tell me that I needed smaller injectors when in fact I really didn't need them. THEY NEEDED them because they didn't have the skill to scale down my 800cc injectors.

So again, I hold it against them because they talked me into buying parts I didn't need so that it made the job easier on them. I didn't know any better. I don't tune cars for a living. They do, so i listened to what they said and gave the ok.
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Wow, left nut this is crazy...

^ exactly !
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Got to have some type of relation, they sell your stuff right? As I recall purchasing a CJM twin pump setup. 3-4 weeks go by and I don't hear anything from my vendor, so I text what ever # Charles has, I ask how long does it take to make this twin pump setup he says I have one here and I have one coming from the powdercoater etc, who did you order with? I told him... I got what seemed to be a random call from my vendor about a hour later, your pump will be here on Tuesday. Some one called some one, that's a relation to me .
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Originally Posted by 06z33
If PM really returned this guys car with a STOCK flash, it would have to have been an unintentional mistake... there is just no reason they would bother to mess with a customer like that. Especially when they have piles of base maps for VQs anyway.

So lets say it was unintentional, dont you think that mistake calls for a refund? He paid for a tune that was never received.[/QUOTE]


A refund, maybe, that depends on their policies. However, its been a year. I dont know man, most people would notice pretty damn early on if there car was running so poorly, they are probably having just as hard of a time believing it as I am. Especially if they are in the shoes as the ones who could swear they tuned it and have his completed ROMs. I would say a refund is an option however I would assume it to be much more likely that they would simply offer the tune and wonder why the heck he never said it was that bad over the duration of a year .... unless he did (i dont know).

as a manufacturer of products for these cars, products that depend on tuning after installation... i get the inside word on pretty much every VQ tuner out there. I speak to so many of my customers I cant even count... a lot of them have to remind me which setup they have every time we speak because there are so many of these cars I keep tabs on I cant remember who owns which one. Any how, I get tons of inside drama on the VQ scene.... but i dont personally have a customer that i recall having any drama with PM, so I was shocked to see everyone here jumping on them and ruining them... I really dont like to see that happen to ANY VENDOR especially one that I know has good intentions and that I know take care of their customers.

If something slipped through the cracks on this one, OK fine... then I am wrong... but I know they didnt rip anyone off on purpose and the witchhunts really get me annoyed.
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Originally Posted by TRYNALIVEPRO
Got to have some type of relation, they sell your stuff right? As I recall purchasing a CJM twin pump setup. 3-4 weeks go by and I don't hear anything from my vendor, so I text what ever # Charles has, I ask how long does it take to make this twin pump setup he says I have one here and I have one coming from the powdercoater etc, who did you order with? I told him... I got what seemed to be a random call from my vendor about a hour later, your pump will be here on Tuesday. Some one called some one, that's a relation to me .
Dude... Just about every shop on this forum sells CJM products. I wouldn't be surprised if R/T Tuning does also. I think your comments and insinuations about Charles in this regard are way off base and ridiculous. CJM would be on my Top 5 list for one of the most honest and unbiased vendors I have seen on this forum.

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Originally Posted by TRYNALIVEPRO
Got to have some type of relation, they sell your stuff right? As I recall purchasing a CJM twin pump setup. 3-4 weeks go by and I don't hear anything from my vendor, so I text what ever # Charles has, I ask how long does it take to make this twin pump setup he says I have one here and I have one coming from the powdercoater etc, who did you order with? I told him... I got what seemed to be a random call from my vendor about a hour later, your pump will be here on Tuesday. Some one called some one, that's a relation to me .
Yes, obviously it requires communication for two companies to exchange business? What is the accusation that you are making, exactly? That I do business with PM? OK... guilty as charged! can we move forward with relevant information now?
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TRYNALIVEPRO.... Did you get you fuel pressure regulator yet???????

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A refund, maybe, that depends on their policies. However, its been a year. I dont know man, most people would notice pretty damn early on if there car was running so poorly, they are probably having just as hard of a time believing it as I am. Especially if they are in the shoes as the ones who could swear they tuned it and have his completed ROMs. I would say a refund is an option however I would assume it to be much more likely that they would simply offer the tune and wonder why the heck he never said it was that bad over the duration of a year .... unless he did (i dont know).

as a manufacturer of products for these cars, products that depend on tuning after installation... i get the inside word on pretty much every VQ tuner out there. I speak to so many of my customers I cant even count... a lot of them have to remind me which setup they have every time we speak because there are so many of these cars I keep tabs on I cant remember who owns which one. Any how, I get tons of inside drama on the VQ scene.... but i dont personally have a customer that i recall having any drama with PM, so I was shocked to see everyone here jumping on them and ruining them... I really dont like to see that happen to ANY VENDOR especially one that I know has good intentions and that I know take care of their customers.

If something slipped through the cracks on this one, OK fine... then I am wrong... but I know they didnt rip anyone off on purpose and the witchhunts really get me annoyed.

Understood. So all they have to do is just chime in and let me know the deal.

Why wasn't there an UpRev license already on my ECU. I called them that same day when I discovered my ECU was stock. Their response was that I must've carried my car to get serviced at a dealer. They need to come with a better excuse than that.

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so I was shocked to see everyone here jumping on them and ruining them... I really dont like to see that happen to ANY VENDOR especially one that I know has good intentions and that I know take care of their customers.

If something slipped through the cracks on this one, OK fine... then I am wrong... but I know they didnt rip anyone off on purpose and the witchhunts really get me annoyed.
I thought there was no relation, I'M DONE!!! still gonna enjoy my cjm twin pump setup
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Originally Posted by russelh15
I don't feel like repeating myself, but here goes...

I gave them the ok because they told me that's what I need to get my car tuned. They told me they could not tune my 800cc injectors.

Now, the reason why I hold it against them later is because I found out that it is indeed possible to tune 800cc injectors. Performance made it seem that it was impossible to tune them.

So if it was indeed possible, then why tell me that I needed smaller injectors when in fact I really didn't need them. THEY NEEDED them because they didn't have the skill to scale down my 800cc injectors.

So again, I hold it against them because they talked me into buying parts I didn't need so that it made the job easier on them. I didn't know any better. I don't tune cars for a living. They do, so i listened to what they said and gave the ok.
Unfortunately in the tuning world, that is the way things work. Imagine how you would feel to be one of the MANY guys here that have paid money to MISC "tuners" to have their engine blown up? It happens all the time...

PM requested to make a change to your vehicle to make it what they felt was more tune-able. I cant tell you why from here, I wasnt there. But maybe there was a good reason for it. There are different things that different people will and will not tune. I have turned down tuning cars before when I didnt like the setup, and I have turned down tuning cars before when I felt I wasnt experienced enough with that type of setup to take responsibility for it. But nobody stole parts from you, you got the parts you paid for. I could see the complaint if they kept your 800s or something... but they didnt.

The only complaint in this thread that I feel is of any value, is the issue of if your car was given back without your tune flashed in. WHICH IS A VALID AND GOOD COMPLAINT if true. I wasnt believing it at all at first, and im still not convinced, but I will say its possible for them to have unintentionally done that. The rest of the stuff I would just let go.

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I thought there was no relation, I'M DONE!!! still gonna enjoy my cjm twin pump setup
Why would you think that? PM has been a dealer of ours for SEVERAL years. I thought you said yourself that you bought our twin pump from them? I think that gives it away

Thanks for your purchase either way and I will still give you any needed customer service/support, feel from to PM me if you need anything.
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Dude... Just about every shop on this forum sells CJM products. I wouldn't be surprised if R/T Tuning does also. I think you're comments and insinuations about Charles in this regard are way off base and ridiculous.
not trying to dis Charles in any way shape or form, I was just showing there is some type of relation with the people that sells your products
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^ The whole point of this thread was about not having the license. The injectors was just a side not dude. The reason it was mentioned was b/c if they kept his 800cc injectors obviously the car would run way worse without it being tuned. Which is why the 440cc injector replacement was noted.
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Why would you think that? PM has been a dealer of ours for SEVERAL years. I thought you said yourself that you bought our twin pump from them? I think that gives it away

Thanks for your purchase either way and I will still give you any needed customer service/support, feel from to PM me if you need anything.
he said he bought your pump...where does it say from them?
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A refund, maybe, that depends on their policies. However, its been a year. I dont know man, most people would notice pretty damn early on if there car was running so poorly, they are probably having just as hard of a time believing it as I am. Especially if they are in the shoes as the ones who could swear they tuned it and have his completed ROMs. I would say a refund is an option however I would assume it to be much more likely that they would simply offer the tune and wonder why the heck he never said it was that bad over the duration of a year .... unless he did (i dont know).


You asked this question before. I answered above. In case you missed it though, I called them and told them about the problems. They said bring it in. I said when. They gave me the run around, by then it was winter and we just put our cars away and waiting till the next season to retune somewhere else


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