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Old May 15, 2015 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Resmarted
Lower cr? I was talking about your dynamic compression ratio. Re-check your calculations seeing as you're getting a higher compression ratio than at TDC.

And you really should pick some more aggressive cams if you want to make more power in the top end. It will help the kinetic and take advantage of that CR. You don't have to go straight to 272's but even a 264 etc would be a good match, and help carry power past 5,000rpm. The oem cams are only around 238 or 240 duration with a pretty mild amount of lift. You'll have plenty of vacuum with that cr so you won't have any draw backs. It would be dumb imho not to put some more aggressive cams in while you had it apart.

But beyond that, Colombo and 2bad are cammed. Were those kinetix gains on stock cams?
I will make sure to check my calculations again. Maybe you are right about the cams. Would make more sense to install everything in one shot. I'll research which duration can would be the best for my needs tonight.


Originally Posted by 2bad240
Examples of failures with kinetix are from slapping it on without tuning. Or on combos that are not matched to where it's designed to make power. I gained 3 mph in the 1/4 na just by putting in on and retuning.

I agree wholeheartedly. Just installing any part for that matter and not tuning for it is idiotic. Tune, contrast and compare your results, then make the decision afterwards to keep or ditch the product.

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Looks really good
Thank you, sir. Still ironing out the details of this build. Lots of folks on the forum often bring lots of information to the table I was not aware of, and I'm continuing to learn thru all the knowledge everyone suggests and shares! Very happy with hearing everyones input!


Originally Posted by 350z006
Be careful with relying on Meth for your tune...I blew an engine when my Meth system failed...I still use the meth, but as an added safety/cooling feature; I rely on e85 now since I can only get crappy 91 around here...

That being said, with the right engine management/fail-safes you may be OK with Meth...
Thanks. I have no interest atm to buy a stand alone like Haltech so with the scenario/example you brought up, this is something I need to consider. Lol this is why I love the forum. Makes me open my eyes to things I didn't see before. I guess the best solution would be to use meth on top of the tune and maybe take advantage of it slightly. Maybe the mixture percentage between the amount of methanol and water mixed by volume should also be researched into also.
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Old May 15, 2015 | 07:46 PM
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Thanks. I have no interest atm to buy a stand alone like Haltech so with the scenario/example you brought up, this is something I need to consider. Lol this is why I love the forum. Makes me open my eyes to things I didn't see before. I guess the best solution would be to use meth on top of the tune and maybe take advantage of it slightly. Maybe the mixture percentage between the amount of methanol and water mixed by volume should also be researched into also.


Yeah you're kind of up a creek with a supercharger on osiris. If you had a turbo you could at least hook it up to your boost controller, but with osiris you've got nearly no options.

maybe if you can find a fail safe compatible boost controller on the cheap, you can put a wastegate on your intercooler and have it dump boost on fail safe entry. But that would be cost of WG+welding+boostcontroller+aem fail safe. Might as well just get a used haltech at that point.
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Old May 16, 2015 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Resmarted
Yeah you're kind of up a creek with a supercharger on osiris. If you had a turbo you could at least hook it up to your boost controller, but with osiris you've got nearly no options.

maybe if you can find a fail safe compatible boost controller on the cheap, you can put a wastegate on your intercooler and have it dump boost on fail safe entry. But that would be cost of WG+welding+boostcontroller+aem fail safe. Might as well just get a used haltech at that point.
lol you guys and adding wastegates to do the things the BOV you already have will do. If you have a failsafe on the meth controller, use a three way solenoid on the BOV line, one side going to manifold vacuum, one side going to a small vacuum canister (connect this to manifold vacuum with a check valve). Failsafe triggers the solenoid, BOV port goes to vacuum and opens to vent all the boost in the pipes. The 3 way solenoid will have one path that is normally open, and one that is normally closed. Run the standard BOV configuration on the normally open side, the vacuum canister on the normally closed side. That way the solenoid is only ever powered when there's a problem. Simple. Effective.
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Old May 17, 2015 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kilogram
lol you guys and adding wastegates to do the things the BOV you already have will do. If you have a failsafe on the meth controller, use a three way solenoid on the BOV line, one side going to manifold vacuum, one side going to a small vacuum canister (connect this to manifold vacuum with a check valve). Failsafe triggers the solenoid, BOV port goes to vacuum and opens to vent all the boost in the pipes. The 3 way solenoid will have one path that is normally open, and one that is normally closed. Run the standard BOV configuration on the normally open side, the vacuum canister on the normally closed side. That way the solenoid is only ever powered when there's a problem. Simple. Effective.
Great idea!
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I actually bought a snow performance failsafe (ie it doesn't allow BPV to go into boost if it detects a flow issue on the meth) similar to what kilogram was talking about that I've never installed, now that I'm using e85 for tune and the meth as extra....

OP lmk if you're interested...
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Old Jun 3, 2015 | 04:33 AM
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You still alive? Havnt seen you on fb lately.
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Yeah what happened? He dropped off the face of the earth
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Hopefully he shows face...
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Wasn't he going to move?
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Old Jun 24, 2015 | 07:27 AM
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Sorry for the late update, guys. I'm alive and so is Lola.

Shortblock is finally in. Bad part is it won't be installed while I'm here at home. I'll be going on volunteer deployment for 6 months. Leaving early July till end of December. Here's a shot of the block in the crate. I plan on dealing with a local shop here to install the block while I'm away, as well as sending in my V3 to be rebuild with the 928 Impeller and Teflon High Speed Shaft Seals. I will ask the shop to take pics on the progress while I'm away and try to update this thread while I'm gone.
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Good to see you update. Ready to see what it will do with the built block
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Originally Posted by NAbuilderZ33
as well as sending in my V3 to be rebuild with the 928 Impeller and Teflon High Speed Shaft Seals
What trim is your V3? I'm assuming it's the SCi, which is NOT compatible with the 928 Impeller. You will need to send to Vortech directly to upgrade to the Si impeller.

When I asked 928 about installing their impeller in my SCi V3 they replied with:
Our impeller is designed for the "S" trim, not the SCi.
So no comparison is needed, as our impeller is not an option for you.

Carl Fausett

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