you left out some true dual exhaust but yeah

 

Who did I miss? APS and HKS are the only other ones I can think of?

 

Hey Mia, your car's having it installed on now, right? When is it going to be finished?

 

ok, 'most' could have been overstating But the TDs are the most popular out there.. but of course large 3" singles are pretty popular in turbo designs as well

 

My car goes in Friday....Not sure on final date finished..I'll keep you guys posted...

 

Yeah thats true...TD are pretty popular. I have the Apexi because I loved the sound compared to all other TDs out there. Not that they sound bad...I'd say the ration is pretty close TD:Y pipe back. Theres a lot of Fuji and Nismo guys out there..

 

the one im getting is true dual, its from auto produce boss although a single tip exhaust is tempting.

 

mine is a dual tip but is y pipe back exhaust.

 

i just like the sound of single tip.
probably will buy this though: http://www.ap-boss.com/news5.htm

 

I will respond more on your questions/statement, but I thought I would take this one quickly.

actual install time should be 30 hours. I think if a qualified person/mechanic were allowed to work straight through, it should be possible in 20/25 after "experience". What will it take to get experience, i'm not sure 3/4 kits?

the WORST part is the headers/turbos themselves as there is just NO space.

Everything else, with improved instructions from APS, is fairly straight forward.

The install time, and process, and quality is better than Greddy for sure.

 

I do want to make sure that you also quote the fact that I also said I do not know if this applies to the TurboNetics setup or not. A post after mine seems to indicate the exhaust is all conected, and routed back to the turbos.

There MUST be some difference as it does not seem possible to make it "equal or balanced" but then whatever difference does exist, is it enough to cause a problem?

 

Damn that 8-10 hours from Turbonetics keeps looking better and better. Whats standard shop rate $70/hr?

 

sure, that is ONE of the reaons to go with a single Vs. twin setup.

You should not go with this setup because of the install time.

Spending 1K now vs 3K may make a huge difference down the road.

And before anyone starts complaining, I'm just rounding off to $1,000.00 for grins. You can place 700, 800, 900, or whatever number you want in place.

On a positive note, about 10 hours/1K now, is if you need to tear down your motor back to stock, it will cost you a whole lot less.

 

I have heard from somone recently, who spends a lot of time with performance cars whether they are factory, or they become performance cars through modifications, that True Dual is not the perfect application for Turbos.

Also when I researched getting exhaust for my car, before I got my stillen, I was also told that a H or Y pipe is better for turbos.

I do not have the hard facts on this, I'm just repeating what I picked up on.

I got the stillen because it is 2.5" + piping throughout, has the "H", sounds good, and fits right. It is stainless, not titanium, so if you want TI you need to go Greddy/Invidia etc..etc..

The sound was good for me from Still as I do not want more NOISE from my car under normal conditions.

When I am "on it" you could hear a nice difference. Also no "drone".

 

Thank you for your post. You stated in a single post, what I have stated in several posts. It helps when you can gather up multiple points into a single post.

it helps those with time constraints, attention related problems to keep things straight.


Just for the general record (nothing directed at anyone here)

At no point did I state any of my comments were fact, I am not pro/against this kit or the single turbo concept.

 

Ok

I seem to recall you saying you didn't have any 'solid info' and that
'a TT solution as it is more commonly used, and almost always used in high HP street solutions.'

My point was Single vs Dual is a tradeoff in application. Even to counter your statement, you'll find all the big HP supras for instance are Singles. Singles running 1.5+ bars

Those are fun to ride in and watch on the dyno

 

I probably shouldn't have responded to this post at this moment without tons of backup from my posts, but I guess I'm a sucker when it comes to traps like this.

(1) Please don't tell me that twin turbo setups are not more
common.

(2) My experiences have been that I found more twin turbo
setups than single turbos.

(3) Somewhere I have posted that I have seen single turbos
setup for big numbers, and race setups.

I never said "single turbos can't perform/produce big numbers

or Twin is better than Single, etc.etc..etc...

Please don't quote me negatively unless I say something
directly negative with authority, I am not an authority.


(4) Exactly, I said "I didn't have any solid info" I did not say what
I was saying was solid info.

(5) You left out that my research/feeling told ME that twin turbos
where the way to go for me. Not for anyone else.

(6) I will always fall back to "no one product is the best solution"
& "do your homework and decide which is the best for your
application"

(7) I already mentioned SOMEWHERE smaller turbos spool faster.

(8) Yes sizing is critical for a turbo application.

(9) I'm sure single turbos are wonderful.

I guess this is the problem with text, you can pick and choose what you want to see/understand as well as when/how you want to understand it.

As I am not an expert or authority in Forced Induction, unless I have direct input from my direct experience I believe I will be stepping out of this thread.

last but not least, I am not for/against this or any other product.

All I know is mine is working great. It's quality is unmatched at this time, the R&D behind it is extensive, and the support for the product thus far has been spectacular.

Only time will tell how this and other kits prove themselves and hopefully honest input and information will support each of these communities, without name calling, bashing, bitching, etc..etc...

As usual, I'm slammed/busy and I gotta go.

 

So much flaming......cant we all just get along.....

 

We're trying to Rodney, we're trying....

 

werd....I think people should wait till all the data is out before making assumptions...