Brad,
Thanks much for the info! Really looking forward to this kit. Your information actually brought up a few more questions, if you have a few moments.

Does this mean that the 'cat' version of this kit comes with cats, or the ones you tested with were HF cats, but the kit doesn't come with them.

Do you have an MSRP for the cat kit yet?

When you say no fuel at all, does that mean the tuner kit won't include the Walbro pump, regulators and upgraded injectors either? If so, are you indicating that there will be no change in price between the tuner and full versions of the kit despite these differences? That being the case, I can't imagine anyone buying the tuner kit becuase it wouldn't really be a complete solution minus EMS, which I think is what people are really concerned about.

5. The info you've provided on the Re-flash makes me more comfortable in using it, but how confident are you that this mail-in tune can account for things like aftermarket intake/exhaust mod's? Is there a procedure for adjusting maps to accomodate these things, or is there even a need?

Glad to hear you're considering including the CAS wire. There has been much discussion of a TSB, but no actual proof that one exists.

Again,thanks for all the info.

 

I can help a little. First the "cat kit" includes a high flow cat. Second the price of the tuner kit will be lower then the price of the regular kit and will be minus the reflash, injectors, and pump from what I understand. Brad will need to give exact details on that...Hope that helps...

 

There should be a change in price, if not, you could buy the one with the fuel accessories and then sell them and use that to help with your other fuel choices.

I wouldn't mind seeing the tuner kit not have the reflash either. I don't think a reflash is going to cut it for over 500hp, but I have NO idea about this, mia, care to chime in? I'm not saying it won't be possible with this kit to reach that power for those who might misunderstand. I'm saying I don't think it can be done without a piggyback or standalone.

EDIT: I see Mia's post about the reflash not being included. Still...care to comment on the reflash "potential"?

 

Actually for a baseline, I'd like to have you come by Brainstorm Performance, that way WE will have a LOAD BASED DYNO, the pulls will be free for YOU in that case.

Is that cool?

I've heard of R&D Dyno, I'll confirm with that after we get you over to brainstorm.

Lemme know,

Joe

 

Sounds good to me...PM me with some more details...

 

Well I know Brad has talked about creating a flash that can scale and run 550 CC injectors. With those injectors you should be more then good to 500. The car made 409 RWHP at 8.5 PSI before. I think we 550 CC injectors and the flash you should be fine to at least 500 RWHP. The turbo that comes with the kit is good to around 650 RWHP at about 16-20 PSI. The fuel pump could certainly handle it. I would need to run some numbers to see if 550cc injectors are going to make it that high. I can let you know tonight. I think the car SGP did had 500 CC injectors and it made 600~RWHP. Don't quote me on that though. The point I guess is that as long as the ECU can scale back the 550 CCs to give you a good idle it should be fine to 500 or more with 550s. After 500 I think I would want a standalone anyways. But hey lets say you do that even with current street price of the kit at $4750 (Avalon Racing is selling it for that). Add the HKS Fcon V-Pro ~$1500 and 1000 CC injectors ~$800 and lets say even another $1000 for tuning. You are making 650 RWHP or more custom tuned to your liking for about $8k. So for the price of the APS at 420~ you are making ~230 more RWHP SAFELY.. Of course this is going to require a built motor but you get my drift... Oh and Turbonetics is more then open to providing a bigger turbo if thats what your plans are. The kit comes with a 60-1 but a 62-1 should fit fine and provides you with 10 % more flow then the 60-1. Both of course are ceramic ball bearing units.

 

http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/ab03ni35.html -- it uses 750cc injectors.

Thanks for the info on the reflash, I didn't know they were that capable.

BTW, about the single turbo kit, you suck, now i'm leaning towards this kit just because of the price and power potential. Guess i'll do some more pricing this week and then haggle some more, and then pm Charles some more wrong part lists, and then haggle some more, lol.

Now i'm just going to pm Charles again and tell him to ignore what I say for which turbo kit i'm going with until I have bought the turbo kit and he see's pictures of it! lol Either way, i'm still getting him to install a turbo kit, and internals, and tune. Which I think speaks a good bit, considering i'm going to go over 800 miles to get him to do everything (for those of you wanting a reputable shop, CJ-Motorsports is a great place). I'm also going to make Peter upset since i've been annoying him through pm's as well, lol. I'm considering making a thread and seeing what everyone thinks since I can't make the decision, maybe in a few days I will.

Anyway, enough OT. Looking forward to the dyno results and the kit being released.

 

Oh I hear you man. Decisions are tough. I've been taking heat for defending this kit for a long time now and its just because I know its worth it. These guys aren't exactly new to the scene. Power to dollar ratio you have to give it to this kit. Plus you have to factor in install cost. Whats the cost to install a Greddy or APS kit? $2000? this kit is a 10 hour install. Charles coulld probably do it faster. Thats easily half the cost on install. And like Brad said they are going to do a tuner kit with no pump injectors and flash. Lets say the kit is only $500 cheaper that way (just an example) So kit price is now 4250 + 700 install + 800 1000 CC injectors + 1500 HKS Fcon V-Pro + 150 Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump + Tuning= $8400 for 650 RWHP tuned to your liking. Compare to lets say Greddy for the price 6000 for the kit (thats a damn good hookup too) + 2000 install + $800 1000 CC injectors + 1500 HKS Fcon V-Pro + 1000 tuning + 200 Walbro Fuel Pump=$11,500

 

Yeah, i've asked some people on another forum what they thought (will leave the forum and topic unnamed ).

Agreed on the install, that is tempting.

You can get a GReddy kit for 5600 w/fmic, BUT, i've priced it with the HKS F-Con V-Pro and etc., it was STILL more than APS (by 1k before a fuel system).

I haven't even factored in tuning cost, I guess that I kind of considered that to be under installation.

How much more would the T-62-1 be?

I think Turbonetics has done a pretty good job with this kit, first single turbo kit, competitive price, good power. It's the budget people's dream kit (there is nothing wrong with being cheap, especially if the cheaper alternative is just as good or better for you than something else would have been). Like I said, i'll see what everyone says on that other thread. It's hard to decide though, especially when you are strap for cash and something will get you to the same place for less money .

 

I'd have to talk to Brad to see what the price difference is between the 62-1 and the 60-1....Shouldn't be much..

 

i got quoted 1500 for PE

 

Install thats a pretty good price...

 

its supposed to take half the time of the greddy from what i hear. well see how it ends up.

 

Good luck...

 

Mia, how long has it been since Turbonetics took your car?

 

Car went in the shop end of November. They had a lot of proto work to do due to the 04 ECU.

 

About the recent info about modifications to the ECU.

(1) Raising REV limiter

Is this really something that is "wise" to do ?

I'm not en engineer, and I am not an expert, so I can't
give you "real" reasons why not to but I have a couple
common sense type concerns.

I think our engine is built for 7500RPM ? Right?

So Turbonetics is raising from 6200 to 6700, right?

Why?

This is going to allow the engine to run closer to a point
of failure.

We are already aware of weaknesses in the motor, why
would you want to press it closer to failure?

How much of the performance that the kit is offering is
gained at 6200+ RPM?

These limits were set when the engine was NA, now it's FI
and there is a lot more going on in the motor.

What about heat soak?

Before anyone goes "nuts" this is not a bash, I'm just asking.

(2) Removing speed limiter

Essentially the same concerns as with the RPM limiter.

I don't care if someone actully wants to go faster than 155,
I've done it... and maybe some of you have done it.

Now again we have more going on with the motor when
designed due to FI.

Heat Soak can be a severe problem at sustained boost/speed.

I don't know how many people/drivers are considering this.

Do recall, this is not a bash, just asking questions...

Thanks!

 

rev limiter is already at 6700 factory just so you know

 

That's actually what I thought it was, but I wasn't certain at the time, I just figured that if they claimed it was 6200, there was a reason.

Maybe that's on a 04?

 

As far as heat soak what does this have to do with vehicle or engine speed. If you mean running a car at faster then 155 is going to cause heat soak you're wrong. With the amount of air entering the intercooler and radiator at that speed you should see very little heat soak. Unless you live in Arizona or New Mexico. The heat soak question has me flat out confused. As for the governor removal people are paying for this as part of just about EVERY reflash. IIRC thats what the L-spec reflash was. It would make sense the Turbonetics just includes this with the flash. And hey if you dont want to be able to go faster then 155 take your foot off the pedal and slow down. BTW I hate to break it to you but there is not a signifcant amount of added stress on the motor in 6 th past 155. You'll be at about what 4k 5k? maybe. Thats not significantly greater then being in 5th at full boost racing to 130-140.. Turbonetics originally intended to flash the motor to go past 7k but saw no real reason to as the chance of someone blowing the motor outweighed the performance gains..