Tire FEATHERING: FYI
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From: Bensalem, PA
Year/Trim: 2003 Touring
Manufactured: 11/03
Noticed problem: 4,900 miles
Tires swapped at: 6,700 miles
Car drives like new again with the tires swapped, I then felt the now outside tread and severe cupping was felt all the way around the two front tires. Dealership stated they would replace the tires if/when it happens again as long as its under 12,000 miles. Does this mean after 12,000 they won't do anything for me?
Manufactured: 11/03
Noticed problem: 4,900 miles
Tires swapped at: 6,700 miles
Car drives like new again with the tires swapped, I then felt the now outside tread and severe cupping was felt all the way around the two front tires. Dealership stated they would replace the tires if/when it happens again as long as its under 12,000 miles. Does this mean after 12,000 they won't do anything for me?
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Re: Re: Re: OK if you can DO THIS Nissan will fix your tires
Originally posted by OZ-Z
A little Laughter always helps don't you think?
A little Laughter always helps don't you think?
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From: Jacksonville, Florida
Originally posted by supirio
Year/Trim: 2003 Touring
Manufactured: 11/03
Noticed problem: 4,900 miles
Tires swapped at: 6,700 miles
Car drives like new again with the tires swapped, I then felt the now outside tread and severe cupping was felt all the way around the two front tires. Dealership stated they would replace the tires if/when it happens again as long as its under 12,000 miles. Does this mean after 12,000 they won't do anything for me?
Year/Trim: 2003 Touring
Manufactured: 11/03
Noticed problem: 4,900 miles
Tires swapped at: 6,700 miles
Car drives like new again with the tires swapped, I then felt the now outside tread and severe cupping was felt all the way around the two front tires. Dealership stated they would replace the tires if/when it happens again as long as its under 12,000 miles. Does this mean after 12,000 they won't do anything for me?
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From: Abingdon MD
I had almost 15,000 miles on my car when I first started the process of the tire feathering issues. The dealer would not do it cause I was out of the 12,000 mile limit, but I called NNA. And within two days I was approved for two new tires.. NNA is aware of it and will do it, just call them and let them know.
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THOUGHT
I hope this is my last post on this thread. Go to Jelledge's post of 02/16/04 and read both his account and my thoughts. A Moderator may want to paste those to this thread if they have merit. They are under Repairing>Arbitration meeting, see if it makes any sense to anyone.
Boomer
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Re: Re: Nissan has thier head up. or will fix your tires
Originally posted by Boomer
OK, Mea culpa, my bad. It was irresistable. Change of subject, how do you like the Hotchkiss anti-roll bars? And did put them on before you put on the springs? I want anti-roll bars that change the ride stiffness very little after I put on the Konis. I don't want a lot stiffer ride after I put on the Konis. I want to reduce the understeer, but not at the expense of the ride. Any help would be appreciated, Amy. I value your opinion, my dear, also, your the only owner I know who has put them on. Send when you have time, please.
Keith/Boomer--waiting with bated breath for your answer.
OK, Mea culpa, my bad. It was irresistable. Change of subject, how do you like the Hotchkiss anti-roll bars? And did put them on before you put on the springs? I want anti-roll bars that change the ride stiffness very little after I put on the Konis. I don't want a lot stiffer ride after I put on the Konis. I want to reduce the understeer, but not at the expense of the ride. Any help would be appreciated, Amy. I value your opinion, my dear, also, your the only owner I know who has put them on. Send when you have time, please.
Keith/Boomer--waiting with bated breath for your answer.
Good news..About the Hotchkis Sways and Springs. Best that I have driven.
On a cold Saturday morning.. I went to Hotchkis to remove my Eibach's ( rear had droped too much ) For Sale now.. as are the LSD unique camber rod's
Back to the story.... Everything was changed in two (2.5) hours including difficulty of stuborn nuts on the front strut/Eibach ( installed at Wheel Warehouse Anahiem )
Items of interest. The rear shocks are unbolted from under the car, unlike every other Z in the past. The front Strut and Spring were removed as a unit. Then spring compressed on a stand. Regular spring compressors could be used and the stuborn nut could be removed from above after strut tower brace removal.
After front and rear spring were replaced. The sway bars were installed. Bright red powder coat and three adjustment holes.
Front and back placed on softest. Poly bushings are used, and front provided brackeds have grease zerks.
I pulled the car off the rack and did as instructed. Test brake and steering to asure lock to lock was o.k. That done went down the empty rear parking lot and did a 180 full right lock. Flat *** amazing.. went back to the flat area in front of the bay and the front strut bar was tuned. As per the factory manual.One more lap around the lot.
I drove this on soft front and back to become acoustomed for a couple of weeks then set front to Plus 58% ( middle ) seting, soft in rear Plus 60%. Now --- you know that lurch as you go on to the downward onramp - and you feel the car tip and set.. Well thats gone... actually that was gone on soft for front and rear. Springs ( powder coated silver color ) have eight winds.. Stock springs have four linear winds.. So how did the regular day driving improve.. Over stock springs and over Eibachs.. The ripple of a 20 mile stop, which was harsh with stock and mildly uncomfortable with the Eibacks is now just a light dis-comfort. At least you can remember your last sentence. Ha!
Still have the Factory Struts and Shocks, and the bounce is there.. The Hotchkis engineer is looking for the solution to be the struts/shocks so on March 9th or the Saturday there after the first of five West Coast Koni's wil be installed. And the second/five on Eric Hu's car.
Remember BUD the user that put on G35 Struts/shocks - I P.M.ed him but have not heard from him... Bud let's hear how your tire wear is doing?
From your point of view.. Kieth - what if you waited on Sways and Springs, and put on a set of Koni's - then after a few weeks and your report.. Drive the car with only the one change and we can then know..
Carter's car is modified, BJ's bogged down in the snow, Mine has the Hotchkis, Eric's is pure stock but he demands total perfection. Your test could be the one most inlightening...
By the way.. I saw where you wanted to do a "Last Post on the Subject"
B.S. It's not over until it's Over.. Roger and Over. Please hang and give us your input as this Mondai/Ploblem is solved...
Cheers Amy
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Interesting Article
I came across this article (http://www.babcox.com/editorial/tr/tr129622.htm) regarding "reading" tires and found it very interesting. It was written in '96 and the writer, Larry Carley, makes some observations that just hit a little too close to home, particularly this paragraph:
I'm not drawing any conclusions except that perhaps not everyone at Nissan has assumed the posture suggested by OZ-Z. The Nissan engineers certainly took the first step in correcting the contributing toe condition. Why they didn't take that next step and move to a different tire is anyone's guess. Perhaps they tried other tires and had no success. Perhaps the executive arm of the Company has prevented the engineering arm from implementing a fix for cost or other reasons. As much as I love to bash Nissan, and they have given us so much material to work with, I think I'd like to cut their engineers, at least the ones working on this suspension problem, a little slack. Nissan as a whole, however, has really dropped the ball on this whole issue. Obviously the most significant failing is that they have had almost two years to address this and have not. They also apparently lack any sort of inter-departmental communication skills. And even within departments you will find total inconsistency. Talk to five different CSR's about tire feathering and you are likely to get five different answers. Talk to five different Nissan Dealers and you are likely to get five more opinions. Nissan and it's Dealers, as a whole, have handled their customers very badly with regard to this issue. Nissan has taken what may have been one of the best sports car values and possibly even one of the best sports cars without regard to price on the planet and stood by and watched it's reputation become irrepairably damaged. Based on recent posts regarding Nissan's final repair attempts and positions taken in arbitration hearings, it is hard to believe that a fix is coming any time soon. On the other hand, it could just be a symptom of Nissan's continuing communication problems.
Some low profile tires (mostly performance tires), tend to develop uneven wear patterns because of their belt and tread design. As the tire rolls along, the deflection and squirming of the tread produces harmonics that cause certain areas of the tread or ribs to wear more than others. The wear pattern can be further compounded by other factors such as toe misalignment, wheel imbalance, wheel runout, underinflation or lack of rotation. After awhile, a "heel and toe" or "washboard" wear pattern may develop that generates annoying noise and vibrations at speeds above 40 mph. Once the wear pattern is established, it's too late to reverse it by rotating the tires. So the only cure you can recommend is to replace the tires and possibly switch to another brand or style that is less "quirky."
Last edited by overZealous; Feb 24, 2004 at 09:42 PM.
Re: Interesting Article
Originally posted by overZealous
I came across this article (http://www.babcox.com/editorial/tr/tr129622.htm) regarding "reading" tires and found it very interesting. It was written in '96 and the writer, Larry Carley, makes some observations that just hit a little too close to home, particularly this paragraph:
quote:
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Some low profile tires (mostly performance tires), tend to develop uneven wear patterns because of their belt and tread design. As the tire rolls along, the deflection and squirming of the tread produces harmonics that cause certain areas of the tread or ribs to wear more than others. The wear pattern can be further compounded by other factors such as toe misalignment, wheel imbalance, wheel runout, underinflation or lack of rotation. After awhile, a "heel and toe" or "washboard" wear pattern may develop that generates annoying noise and vibrations at speeds above 40 mph. Once the wear pattern is established, it's too late to reverse it by rotating the tires. So the only cure you can recommend is to replace the tires and possibly switch to another brand or style that is less "quirky."
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I'm not drawing any conclusions except that perhaps not everyone at Nissan has assumed the posture suggested by OZ-Z. The Nissan engineers certainly took the first step in correcting the contributing toe condition. Why they didn't take that next step and move to a different tire is anyone's guess. Perhaps they tried other tires and had no success. Perhaps the executive arm of the Company has prevented the engineering arm from implementing a fix for cost or other reasons. As much as I love to bash Nissan, and they have given us so much material to work with, I think I'd like to cut their engineers, at least the ones working on this suspension problem, a little slack. Nissan as a whole, however, has really dropped the ball on this whole issue. Obviously the most significant failing is that they have had almost two years to address this and have not. They also apparently lack any sort of inter-departmental communication skills. And even within departments you will find total inconsistency. Talk to five different CSR's about tire feathering and you are likely to get five different answers. Talk to five different Nissan Dealers and you are likely to get five more opinions. Nissan and it's Dealers, as a whole, have handled their customers very badly with regard to this issue. Nissan has taken what may have been one of the best sports car values and possibly even one of the best sports cars without regard to price on the planet and stood by and watched it's reputation become irrepairably damaged. Based on recent posts regarding Nissan's final repair attempts and positions taken in arbitration hearings, it is hard to believe that a fix is coming any time soon. On the other hand, it could just be a symptom of Nissan's continuing communication problems.
I came across this article (http://www.babcox.com/editorial/tr/tr129622.htm) regarding "reading" tires and found it very interesting. It was written in '96 and the writer, Larry Carley, makes some observations that just hit a little too close to home, particularly this paragraph:
quote:
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Some low profile tires (mostly performance tires), tend to develop uneven wear patterns because of their belt and tread design. As the tire rolls along, the deflection and squirming of the tread produces harmonics that cause certain areas of the tread or ribs to wear more than others. The wear pattern can be further compounded by other factors such as toe misalignment, wheel imbalance, wheel runout, underinflation or lack of rotation. After awhile, a "heel and toe" or "washboard" wear pattern may develop that generates annoying noise and vibrations at speeds above 40 mph. Once the wear pattern is established, it's too late to reverse it by rotating the tires. So the only cure you can recommend is to replace the tires and possibly switch to another brand or style that is less "quirky."
---------------------------------------- Hummmm --------------
I'm not drawing any conclusions except that perhaps not everyone at Nissan has assumed the posture suggested by OZ-Z. The Nissan engineers certainly took the first step in correcting the contributing toe condition. Why they didn't take that next step and move to a different tire is anyone's guess. Perhaps they tried other tires and had no success. Perhaps the executive arm of the Company has prevented the engineering arm from implementing a fix for cost or other reasons. As much as I love to bash Nissan, and they have given us so much material to work with, I think I'd like to cut their engineers, at least the ones working on this suspension problem, a little slack. Nissan as a whole, however, has really dropped the ball on this whole issue. Obviously the most significant failing is that they have had almost two years to address this and have not. They also apparently lack any sort of inter-departmental communication skills. And even within departments you will find total inconsistency. Talk to five different CSR's about tire feathering and you are likely to get five different answers. Talk to five different Nissan Dealers and you are likely to get five more opinions. Nissan and it's Dealers, as a whole, have handled their customers very badly with regard to this issue. Nissan has taken what may have been one of the best sports car values and possibly even one of the best sports cars without regard to price on the planet and stood by and watched it's reputation become irrepairably damaged. Based on recent posts regarding Nissan's final repair attempts and positions taken in arbitration hearings, it is hard to believe that a fix is coming any time soon. On the other hand, it could just be a symptom of Nissan's continuing communication problems.
350Z production has been moved from Oppama to the Infinity Production Site.
You do notice the front suspension box was welded into the 350Z at a very odd angle.. It's very tilted.
Slightly tilted. I have not had the opportunity to look at the weld in of the G35 and G35C
Cheers Amy
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Re: Re: Re: Nissan has thier head up. or will fix your tires
Originally posted by AmyCroft
Boomer ( I just PMed ) Give me an E-Mail.. Good news..
About the Hotchkis Sways and Springs. Best that I have driven.
On a cold Saturday morning.. I went to Hotchkis to remove my Eibach's ( rear had droped too much ) For Sale now.. as are the LSD unique camber rod's
Back to the story.... Everything was changed in two (2.5) hours including difficulty of stuborn nuts on the front strut/Eibach ( installed at Wheel Warehouse Anahiem )
Items of interest. The rear shocks are unbolted from under the car, unlike every other Z in the past. The front Strut and Spring were removed as a unit. Then spring compressed on a stand. Regular spring compressors could be used and the stuborn nut could be removed from above after strut tower brace removal.
After front and rear spring were replaced. The sway bars were installed. Bright red powder coat and three adjustment holes.
Front and back placed on softest. Poly bushings are used, and front provided brackeds have grease zerks.
I pulled the car off the rack and did as instructed. Test brake and steering to asure lock to lock was o.k. That done went down the empty rear parking lot and did a 180 full right lock. Flat *** amazing.. went back to the flat area in front of the bay and the front strut bar was tuned. As per the factory manual.One more lap around the lot.
I drove this on soft front and back to become acoustomed for a couple of weeks then set front to Plus 58% ( middle ) seting, soft in rear Plus 60%. Now --- you know that lurch as you go on to the downward onramp - and you feel the car tip and set.. Well thats gone... actually that was gone on soft for front and rear. Springs ( powder coated silver color ) have eight winds.. Stock springs have four linear winds.. So how did the regular day driving improve.. Over stock springs and over Eibachs.. The ripple of a 20 mile stop, which was harsh with stock and mildly uncomfortable with the Eibacks is now just a light dis-comfort. At least you can remember your last sentence. Ha!
Still have the Factory Struts and Shocks, and the bounce is there.. The Hotchkis engineer is looking for the solution to be the struts/shocks so on March 9th or the Saturday there after the first of five West Coast Koni's wil be installed. And the second/five on Eric Hu's car.
Remember BUD the user that put on G35 Struts/shocks - I P.M.ed him but have not heard from him... Bud let's hear how your tire wear is doing?
From your point of view.. Kieth - what if you waited on Sways and Springs, and put on a set of Koni's - then after a few weeks and your report.. Drive the car with only the one change and we can then know..
Carter's car is modified, BJ's bogged down in the snow, Mine has the Hotchkis, Eric's is pure stock but he demands total perfection. Your test could be the one most inlightening...
By the way.. I saw where you wanted to do a "Last Post on the Subject"
B.S. It's not over until it's Over.. Roger and Over. Please hang and give us your input as this Mondai/Ploblem is solved...
Cheers Amy -
Boomer ( I just PMed ) Give me an E-Mail..
Good news..About the Hotchkis Sways and Springs. Best that I have driven.
On a cold Saturday morning.. I went to Hotchkis to remove my Eibach's ( rear had droped too much ) For Sale now.. as are the LSD unique camber rod's
Back to the story.... Everything was changed in two (2.5) hours including difficulty of stuborn nuts on the front strut/Eibach ( installed at Wheel Warehouse Anahiem )
Items of interest. The rear shocks are unbolted from under the car, unlike every other Z in the past. The front Strut and Spring were removed as a unit. Then spring compressed on a stand. Regular spring compressors could be used and the stuborn nut could be removed from above after strut tower brace removal.
After front and rear spring were replaced. The sway bars were installed. Bright red powder coat and three adjustment holes.
Front and back placed on softest. Poly bushings are used, and front provided brackeds have grease zerks.
I pulled the car off the rack and did as instructed. Test brake and steering to asure lock to lock was o.k. That done went down the empty rear parking lot and did a 180 full right lock. Flat *** amazing.. went back to the flat area in front of the bay and the front strut bar was tuned. As per the factory manual.One more lap around the lot.
I drove this on soft front and back to become acoustomed for a couple of weeks then set front to Plus 58% ( middle ) seting, soft in rear Plus 60%. Now --- you know that lurch as you go on to the downward onramp - and you feel the car tip and set.. Well thats gone... actually that was gone on soft for front and rear. Springs ( powder coated silver color ) have eight winds.. Stock springs have four linear winds.. So how did the regular day driving improve.. Over stock springs and over Eibachs.. The ripple of a 20 mile stop, which was harsh with stock and mildly uncomfortable with the Eibacks is now just a light dis-comfort. At least you can remember your last sentence. Ha!
Still have the Factory Struts and Shocks, and the bounce is there.. The Hotchkis engineer is looking for the solution to be the struts/shocks so on March 9th or the Saturday there after the first of five West Coast Koni's wil be installed. And the second/five on Eric Hu's car.
Remember BUD the user that put on G35 Struts/shocks - I P.M.ed him but have not heard from him... Bud let's hear how your tire wear is doing?
From your point of view.. Kieth - what if you waited on Sways and Springs, and put on a set of Koni's - then after a few weeks and your report.. Drive the car with only the one change and we can then know..
Carter's car is modified, BJ's bogged down in the snow, Mine has the Hotchkis, Eric's is pure stock but he demands total perfection. Your test could be the one most inlightening...
By the way.. I saw where you wanted to do a "Last Post on the Subject"
B.S. It's not over until it's Over.. Roger and Over. Please hang and give us your input as this Mondai/Ploblem is solved...
Cheers Amy
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Remember, the pre-production ZS tested in this country were on Michelins. The sudden, last minute change to 040s, by automotive standards was ill advised. What R&D dictated it? I put my money on close to none, but thats my opinion and Nissan is unlikely to provide that info with all the egg on their faces now. I look forward to the letter, fellow sufferers are supposed to get. One Engineer's word doesn't count for much after all the false alarms, but there's a chance its ok. 4 days left to end of Feb, and supposed to be mailed by then. A week to 10 days, we'll see.
Re: Re: Re: Nissan has thier head up. or will fix your tires
Originally posted by AmyCroft
Boomer ( I just PMed ) Give me an E-Mail.. Good news..
About the Hotchkis Sways and Springs. Best that I have driven.
On a cold Saturday morning.. I went to Hotchkis to remove my Eibach's ( rear had droped too much ) For Sale now.. as are the LSD unique camber rod's
Back to the story.... Everything was changed in two (2.5) hours including difficulty of stuborn nuts on the front strut/Eibach ( installed at Wheel Warehouse Anahiem )
Items of interest. The rear shocks are unbolted from under the car, unlike every other Z in the past. The front Strut and Spring were removed as a unit. Then spring compressed on a stand. Regular spring compressors could be used and the stuborn nut could be removed from above after strut tower brace removal.
After front and rear spring were replaced. The sway bars were installed. Bright red powder coat and three adjustment holes.
Front and back placed on softest. Poly bushings are used, and front provided brackeds have grease zerks.
I pulled the car off the rack and did as instructed. Test brake and steering to asure lock to lock was o.k. That done went down the empty rear parking lot and did a 180 full right lock. Flat *** amazing.. went back to the flat area in front of the bay and the front strut bar was tuned. As per the factory manual.One more lap around the lot.
I drove this on soft front and back to become acoustomed for a couple of weeks then set front to Plus 58% ( middle ) seting, soft in rear Plus 60%. Now --- you know that lurch as you go on to the downward onramp - and you feel the car tip and set.. Well thats gone... actually that was gone on soft for front and rear. Springs ( powder coated silver color ) have eight winds.. Stock springs have four linear winds.. So how did the regular day driving improve.. Over stock springs and over Eibachs.. The ripple of a 20 mile stop, which was harsh with stock and mildly uncomfortable with the Eibacks is now just a light dis-comfort. At least you can remember your last sentence. Ha!
Still have the Factory Struts and Shocks, and the bounce is there.. The Hotchkis engineer is looking for the solution to be the struts/shocks so on March 9th or the Saturday there after the first of five West Coast Koni's wil be installed. And the second/five on Eric Hu's car.
Remember BUD the user that put on G35 Struts/shocks - I P.M.ed him but have not heard from him... Bud let's hear how your tire wear is doing?
From your point of view.. Kieth - what if you waited on Sways and Springs, and put on a set of Koni's - then after a few weeks and your report.. Drive the car with only the one change and we can then know..
Carter's car is modified, BJ's bogged down in the snow, Mine has the Hotchkis, Eric's is pure stock but he demands total perfection. Your test could be the one most inlightening...
By the way.. I saw where you wanted to do a "Last Post on the Subject"
B.S. It's not over until it's Over.. Roger and Over. Please hang and give us your input as this Mondai/Ploblem is solved...
Cheers Amy -
Boomer ( I just PMed ) Give me an E-Mail..
Good news..About the Hotchkis Sways and Springs. Best that I have driven.
On a cold Saturday morning.. I went to Hotchkis to remove my Eibach's ( rear had droped too much ) For Sale now.. as are the LSD unique camber rod's
Back to the story.... Everything was changed in two (2.5) hours including difficulty of stuborn nuts on the front strut/Eibach ( installed at Wheel Warehouse Anahiem )
Items of interest. The rear shocks are unbolted from under the car, unlike every other Z in the past. The front Strut and Spring were removed as a unit. Then spring compressed on a stand. Regular spring compressors could be used and the stuborn nut could be removed from above after strut tower brace removal.
After front and rear spring were replaced. The sway bars were installed. Bright red powder coat and three adjustment holes.
Front and back placed on softest. Poly bushings are used, and front provided brackeds have grease zerks.
I pulled the car off the rack and did as instructed. Test brake and steering to asure lock to lock was o.k. That done went down the empty rear parking lot and did a 180 full right lock. Flat *** amazing.. went back to the flat area in front of the bay and the front strut bar was tuned. As per the factory manual.One more lap around the lot.
I drove this on soft front and back to become acoustomed for a couple of weeks then set front to Plus 58% ( middle ) seting, soft in rear Plus 60%. Now --- you know that lurch as you go on to the downward onramp - and you feel the car tip and set.. Well thats gone... actually that was gone on soft for front and rear. Springs ( powder coated silver color ) have eight winds.. Stock springs have four linear winds.. So how did the regular day driving improve.. Over stock springs and over Eibachs.. The ripple of a 20 mile stop, which was harsh with stock and mildly uncomfortable with the Eibacks is now just a light dis-comfort. At least you can remember your last sentence. Ha!
Still have the Factory Struts and Shocks, and the bounce is there.. The Hotchkis engineer is looking for the solution to be the struts/shocks so on March 9th or the Saturday there after the first of five West Coast Koni's wil be installed. And the second/five on Eric Hu's car.
Remember BUD the user that put on G35 Struts/shocks - I P.M.ed him but have not heard from him... Bud let's hear how your tire wear is doing?
From your point of view.. Kieth - what if you waited on Sways and Springs, and put on a set of Koni's - then after a few weeks and your report.. Drive the car with only the one change and we can then know..
Carter's car is modified, BJ's bogged down in the snow, Mine has the Hotchkis, Eric's is pure stock but he demands total perfection. Your test could be the one most inlightening...
By the way.. I saw where you wanted to do a "Last Post on the Subject"
B.S. It's not over until it's Over.. Roger and Over. Please hang and give us your input as this Mondai/Ploblem is solved...
Cheers Amy
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Looks like you may one of the first with the Konis installed. I too am looking forward to your unbiased review as I am one of BJ's preorder special people like Boomer. If the bounce is fixed and performance improved the Konis will be worth there weight in gold IMO. I'll probably add the 350Evo sways too when BJ installs my Konis.
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Jmark, I haven't researched this thread, but curious to know if you saw jjgdyr comments on ZCAR.COM regarding the new goodyear tire design on the 350 (i.e., ULTIMATE TIRE ANSWER). It was emphasized that bounce was signigicantly reduced. My opinion is the jury is still out, but interesting never-the-less. Have you heard anything recently from "our source"?
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Originally posted by n2az
Jmark, I haven't researched this thread, but curious to know if you saw jjgdyr comments on ZCAR.COM regarding the new goodyear tire design on the 350 (i.e., ULTIMATE TIRE ANSWER). It was emphasized that bounce was signigicantly reduced. My opinion is the jury is still out, but interesting never-the-less. Have you heard anything recently from "our source"?
Jmark, I haven't researched this thread, but curious to know if you saw jjgdyr comments on ZCAR.COM regarding the new goodyear tire design on the 350 (i.e., ULTIMATE TIRE ANSWER). It was emphasized that bounce was signigicantly reduced. My opinion is the jury is still out, but interesting never-the-less. Have you heard anything recently from "our source"?
Saw the comments. I not sure what to think right now. Maybe when he got the new tires he got a proper alignment. Maybe it was the new Goodyears. Hard to say.....Still think the shocks are valved wrong in any case. Konis please.
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Originally posted by jmark
Saw the comments. I not sure what to think right now. Maybe when he got the new tires he got a proper alignment. Maybe it was the new Goodyears. Hard to say.....Still think the shocks are valved wrong in any case. Konis please.
Saw the comments. I not sure what to think right now. Maybe when he got the new tires he got a proper alignment. Maybe it was the new Goodyears. Hard to say.....Still think the shocks are valved wrong in any case. Konis please.
Deferred gratification is bad for my personality. What personality?
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Ok.....I am very close to trading in my RX 8 for a 04 Z and having a few hesitations because of the feathering issues I have been reading about..... I know it's early but are any 04 owners having the same problem??????
In case your wondering why I am trading the 8, it's an AUTO!!!!
I wanted a manual but couldn't get one at the time so...auto it was. Now I can and will have a stick and planned on the RX 8 MT until I drove a Z the other day..............holy crap what a difference.
If your not wondering, disregard the comment above.
In case your wondering why I am trading the 8, it's an AUTO!!!!
I wanted a manual but couldn't get one at the time so...auto it was. Now I can and will have a stick and planned on the RX 8 MT until I drove a Z the other day..............holy crap what a difference.
If your not wondering, disregard the comment above.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mplc
Ok.....I am very close to trading in my RX 8 for a 04 Z and having a few hesitations because of the feathering issues I have been reading about..... I know it's early but are any 04 owners having the same problem??????
In case your wondering why I am trading the 8, it's an AUTO!!!!
I wanted a manual but couldn't get one at the time so...auto it was. Now I can and will have a stick and planned on the RX 8 MT until I drove a Z the other day..............holy crap what a difference.
If your not wondering, disregard the comment above. [/QUOT
Some of the early build 04s have had the feathering problem. I asked, and someone responded, when the eurosports suspension changes were made in the 04 run. Do a search on my posts and you'll find the answer I ws given. It was only a couple of days ago, so you can find quickly, I think. Someone else may have additional info, but thats all I have. Ignore all the off-topic posts, they are not relevant.
Ok.....I am very close to trading in my RX 8 for a 04 Z and having a few hesitations because of the feathering issues I have been reading about..... I know it's early but are any 04 owners having the same problem??????
In case your wondering why I am trading the 8, it's an AUTO!!!!
I wanted a manual but couldn't get one at the time so...auto it was. Now I can and will have a stick and planned on the RX 8 MT until I drove a Z the other day..............holy crap what a difference.
If your not wondering, disregard the comment above. [/QUOT
Some of the early build 04s have had the feathering problem. I asked, and someone responded, when the eurosports suspension changes were made in the 04 run. Do a search on my posts and you'll find the answer I ws given. It was only a couple of days ago, so you can find quickly, I think. Someone else may have additional info, but thats all I have. Ignore all the off-topic posts, they are not relevant.
Originally posted by mplc
Ok.....I am very close to trading in my RX 8 for a 04 Z and having a few hesitations because of the feathering issues I have been reading about..... I know it's early but are any 04 owners having the same problem??????
In case your wondering why I am trading the 8, it's an AUTO!!!!
I wanted a manual but couldn't get one at the time so...auto it was. Now I can and will have a stick and planned on the RX 8 MT until I drove a Z the other day..............holy crap what a difference.
If your not wondering, disregard the comment above.
Ok.....I am very close to trading in my RX 8 for a 04 Z and having a few hesitations because of the feathering issues I have been reading about..... I know it's early but are any 04 owners having the same problem??????
In case your wondering why I am trading the 8, it's an AUTO!!!!
I wanted a manual but couldn't get one at the time so...auto it was. Now I can and will have a stick and planned on the RX 8 MT until I drove a Z the other day..............holy crap what a difference.
If your not wondering, disregard the comment above.
At least you have done your homework, and know the pro's and con's - When you have your Z a while and have gone past the 1200 mile "break in" period. The first time you take it up to speed.... Then you will know. ( Up to speed is relative to your own experience.. My UTS is 135 mph..
)Cheers Amy
- P.S. Believe the indicators, as the car is deceptive at speed.
Statements to your self "I can't be goning 110, it feels like 80"
are part of the denial process.
Last edited by AmyCroft; Feb 26, 2004 at 05:58 PM.
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Citation and Irrelavance
Eager to take the Z out on a spirited run through the mangroves I slip on my genuine imitation leather 350Z logo embossed driving gloves. I carefully retract the stylish yet overstated 45lb aluminium door handle and gently insert myself into the imitation carbon fiber wrap around cockpit. I start the engine, revel in the monotonous drone of the air intake for a few seconds, and slip out of the garage and into the street. I wedge my left foot on the clutch pedal and my right foot on the shift lever and gently force it into 1st gear. I ease down the street, slowly at first. I know I am underway as I can now hear the sweet whine of the transmission and the marbles that someplaced in differential. I'm not going to beat on this baby until it's good and warmed up. It's several miles to the mangrove run so I dawn my ear muffs and energize the state of the art Bose system. I hadn't sleep well the night before and the cardboard subwoofer gently messages my back. I couldn't tell what was playing and it didn't really matter as I was on a mission. I would take this car to it's limits and back. I reached the mangroves, disabled the VDC (Vigorous Driving Control), and commenced my run. I hit the throttle slammed it into second while the characteristic "clunk" of the drivetrain overpowered my ear muffs. I ground into third gear and nailed the throttle again. This car is deceptively fast. I glanced over at the digtal speedometer or it could have been the thermometer. I'm not sure but it read 93. I was about to risk making the jump to fourth gear and removing another 2gm of brass from the synchro when I noticed those telltale flashing lights in the rearview. I was busted. I pulled over and the officer approached me from behind. One hand on his weapon and the other on his little metal ticket clipboard. I rolled down the window and asked him how fast I was going. He replied, "oh, you weren't speeding sir". "You were only going 35." "I stopped you because of the local noise ordinance." "Your front tires are just too damn loud."
Ok so I made the whole thing up. I did get speeding ticket this morning as a result of a Sherrif Department revenue augmentation radar trap program though. And yes indeed this post is highly irrelevant. Though no more so than the rest I suppose. Fourteen months of this thread and there is still no definitive answer to the suspension problem. No definitive answer from Nissan or their Dealers and, based on their unsuccessful final repair attempts and poor record in arbitration, it's hard to believe that an answer is forthcoming. They don't seem to care about the forums and the e-mails and the letters and the articles. They don't seem to care much about their customers either. It's all in Nissan's hands now anyway. In eight days I'll know whether they plan to attempt to fix it or not and we'll see. It's time for me to move on. This habit is simply not healthy. This is the best 350Z forum out there though and perhaps, if I keep the car, I'll have something postive to contribute in the future. Right now this car has become more of a pariah then a pleasure. Until then I hope you all get your Z's fixed and I've enjoyed talking with many of you.
Ok so I made the whole thing up. I did get speeding ticket this morning as a result of a Sherrif Department revenue augmentation radar trap program though. And yes indeed this post is highly irrelevant. Though no more so than the rest I suppose. Fourteen months of this thread and there is still no definitive answer to the suspension problem. No definitive answer from Nissan or their Dealers and, based on their unsuccessful final repair attempts and poor record in arbitration, it's hard to believe that an answer is forthcoming. They don't seem to care about the forums and the e-mails and the letters and the articles. They don't seem to care much about their customers either. It's all in Nissan's hands now anyway. In eight days I'll know whether they plan to attempt to fix it or not and we'll see. It's time for me to move on. This habit is simply not healthy. This is the best 350Z forum out there though and perhaps, if I keep the car, I'll have something postive to contribute in the future. Right now this car has become more of a pariah then a pleasure. Until then I hope you all get your Z's fixed and I've enjoyed talking with many of you.
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I took delivery of my 2003 Performance Z on 01/18/03. At less than 3000 miles I started hearing noise from the tires when braking to a stop. My Dealer performed a TSB adjustment on 04/16/03 at 3500 miles. The TSB included front tire rotation (including directional wheel rotation from left to right) and a front alignment.
This TSB resulted in huge improvement; at first. Sadly the noise soon returned and was driving me crazy. When I returned to the dealer and complained at the 7500 mile service I was informed that my Z had normal tire and road noise.
The front tire noise and low speed braking vibration continued to worsen. I called Nissan North America and opened a complaint. When I returned for the 11000 mile service the dealer still claimed that I was experiencing normal tire and brake noise for a sports car. The dealer and NNA refused to acknowledge that my Z had a problem and sent me on my way.
By the time my Z reached 11,500 miles I could hardly drive it. The tire noise from the front was driving me insane and the brakes sounded like they were dragging “metal on metal” from 40 mph to a stop. I thought my brakes were gone along with the tires. Merry Christmas!
Yesterday (at 12800 miles) I had 4 Bridgestone Protenza S-03 Pole Position tires installed on my Z. NNA bought the fronts and I bought the rears. They also did an alignment to conform to the latest TSB. WOW… What a difference. It feels like a completely different car! No tire noise or brake pedal vibration.
I can only hope this cures the problem.
This TSB resulted in huge improvement; at first. Sadly the noise soon returned and was driving me crazy. When I returned to the dealer and complained at the 7500 mile service I was informed that my Z had normal tire and road noise.
The front tire noise and low speed braking vibration continued to worsen. I called Nissan North America and opened a complaint. When I returned for the 11000 mile service the dealer still claimed that I was experiencing normal tire and brake noise for a sports car. The dealer and NNA refused to acknowledge that my Z had a problem and sent me on my way.
By the time my Z reached 11,500 miles I could hardly drive it. The tire noise from the front was driving me insane and the brakes sounded like they were dragging “metal on metal” from 40 mph to a stop. I thought my brakes were gone along with the tires. Merry Christmas!
Yesterday (at 12800 miles) I had 4 Bridgestone Protenza S-03 Pole Position tires installed on my Z. NNA bought the fronts and I bought the rears. They also did an alignment to conform to the latest TSB. WOW… What a difference. It feels like a completely different car! No tire noise or brake pedal vibration.
I can only hope this cures the problem.
Last edited by BROKE; Feb 26, 2004 at 09:09 PM.
Re: Citation and Irrelavance
Originally posted by overZealous
Eager to take the Z out on a spirited run through the mangroves I slip on my genuine imitation leather 350Z logo embossed driving gloves. I carefully retract the stylish yet overstated 45lb aluminium door handle and gently insert myself into the imitation carbon fiber wrap around cockpit. I start the engine, revel in the monotonous drone of the air intake for a few seconds, and slip out of the garage and into the street. I wedge my left foot on the clutch pedal and my right foot on the shift lever and gently force it into 1st gear. I ease down the street, slowly at first. I know I am underway as I can now hear the sweet whine of the transmission and the marbles that someplaced in differential. I'm not going to beat on this baby until it's good and warmed up. It's several miles to the mangrove run so I dawn my ear muffs and energize the state of the art Bose system. I hadn't sleep well the night before and the cardboard subwoofer gently messages my back. I couldn't tell what was playing and it didn't really matter as I was on a mission. I would take this car to it's limits and back. I reached the mangroves, disabled the VDC (Vigorous Driving Control), and commenced my run. I hit the throttle slammed it into second while the characteristic "clunk" of the drivetrain overpowered my ear muffs. I ground into third gear and nailed the throttle again. This car is deceptively fast. I glanced over at the digtal speedometer or it could have been the thermometer. I'm not sure but it read 93. I was about to risk making the jump to fourth gear and removing another 2gm of brass from the synchro when I noticed those telltale flashing lights in the rearview. I was busted. I pulled over and the officer approached me from behind. One hand on his weapon and the other on his little metal ticket clipboard. I rolled down the window and asked him how fast I was going. He replied, "oh, you weren't speeding sir". "You were only going 35." "I stopped you because of the local noise ordinance." "Your front tires are just too damn loud."
Ok so I made the whole thing up. I did get speeding ticket this morning as a result of a Sherrif Department revenue augmentation radar trap program though. And yes indeed this post is highly irrelevant. Though no more so than the rest I suppose. Fourteen months of this thread and there is still no definitive answer to the suspension problem. No definitive answer from Nissan or their Dealers and, based on their unsuccessful final repair attempts and poor record in arbitration, it's hard to believe that an answer is forthcoming. They don't seem to care about the forums and the e-mails and the letters and the articles. They don't seem to care much about their customers either. It's all in Nissan's hands now anyway. In eight days I'll know whether they plan to attempt to fix it or not and we'll see. It's time for me to move on. This habit is simply not healthy. This is the best 350Z forum out there though and perhaps, if I keep the car, I'll have something postive to contribute in the future. Right now this car has become more of a pariah then a pleasure. Until then I hope you all get your Z's fixed and I've enjoyed talking with many of you.
Eager to take the Z out on a spirited run through the mangroves I slip on my genuine imitation leather 350Z logo embossed driving gloves. I carefully retract the stylish yet overstated 45lb aluminium door handle and gently insert myself into the imitation carbon fiber wrap around cockpit. I start the engine, revel in the monotonous drone of the air intake for a few seconds, and slip out of the garage and into the street. I wedge my left foot on the clutch pedal and my right foot on the shift lever and gently force it into 1st gear. I ease down the street, slowly at first. I know I am underway as I can now hear the sweet whine of the transmission and the marbles that someplaced in differential. I'm not going to beat on this baby until it's good and warmed up. It's several miles to the mangrove run so I dawn my ear muffs and energize the state of the art Bose system. I hadn't sleep well the night before and the cardboard subwoofer gently messages my back. I couldn't tell what was playing and it didn't really matter as I was on a mission. I would take this car to it's limits and back. I reached the mangroves, disabled the VDC (Vigorous Driving Control), and commenced my run. I hit the throttle slammed it into second while the characteristic "clunk" of the drivetrain overpowered my ear muffs. I ground into third gear and nailed the throttle again. This car is deceptively fast. I glanced over at the digtal speedometer or it could have been the thermometer. I'm not sure but it read 93. I was about to risk making the jump to fourth gear and removing another 2gm of brass from the synchro when I noticed those telltale flashing lights in the rearview. I was busted. I pulled over and the officer approached me from behind. One hand on his weapon and the other on his little metal ticket clipboard. I rolled down the window and asked him how fast I was going. He replied, "oh, you weren't speeding sir". "You were only going 35." "I stopped you because of the local noise ordinance." "Your front tires are just too damn loud."
Ok so I made the whole thing up. I did get speeding ticket this morning as a result of a Sherrif Department revenue augmentation radar trap program though. And yes indeed this post is highly irrelevant. Though no more so than the rest I suppose. Fourteen months of this thread and there is still no definitive answer to the suspension problem. No definitive answer from Nissan or their Dealers and, based on their unsuccessful final repair attempts and poor record in arbitration, it's hard to believe that an answer is forthcoming. They don't seem to care about the forums and the e-mails and the letters and the articles. They don't seem to care much about their customers either. It's all in Nissan's hands now anyway. In eight days I'll know whether they plan to attempt to fix it or not and we'll see. It's time for me to move on. This habit is simply not healthy. This is the best 350Z forum out there though and perhaps, if I keep the car, I'll have something postive to contribute in the future. Right now this car has become more of a pariah then a pleasure. Until then I hope you all get your Z's fixed and I've enjoyed talking with many of you.
Cheers Amy
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