vice86

iTrader: (1)

Granted the Z is a 6 cyl. and LS1 and 8...my bro has an '00 Firehawk and he jokes around about how we gotta race now....I'm curious to see how I hold up to him...I expect him to beat me...but not by much...and even by a little less once I get a CAI kit.

Anyone race an LS1?...Camaro or Trans Am...or even a non LS1 Stang?

350zSpeedRacer

Read the Racing Forum. Moved.

Zmoney

This has been beat to death.

You will find a ton of info if you search

BlackDemon

You will lose...

not to say the Z is not a good and quick car...
But it's no LS1...
We are talking 240RWHP vs 300+RWHP and if he's modded it's going to be even worse...

It won't be pretty...
Although some dreamers on this site would have you believe otherwise...

BlackDemon

You guys and your power to weight ratio....

310RWHP vs 240RWHP....

70RWHP and a shitload more TQ is easily enough to overcome 200lbs

ELS1

subject has been beat to death. so ill just copy/paste the same thing i put in another topic:


ive ran some 350z's from 20 - 110...got em by 4 or so cars...

ive raced one at the track...got him off the launch and kept on pulling hard...didnt see how many lengths ive had him by


60 - 100 roll, had them by 1 or so car...

and i have an auto with only 310RWHP...if you are talking about a 02 LS1, he would have around 310-320RWHP stock, which should make somewhat of a difference with the M6(which traps higher)

when you compare a mid-low 14 sec car vs a mid-low 13 sec car, thats around 1 second...you do the math.

NHRATA01

Vice, the Z is a great car and moves very well, certainly not lacking in the power department. However, it is a bit behind in the straight line acceleration of an LS1. I haven't seen an LS1 have problems cracking at least 13s, and I've seen a few Z's that had problems getting into the 13s at my track. If your bro is at all a decent driver he should win. Perhaps after the race you guys should switch up and see how you can fair in his car?

If you want to go by rules of thumb, roughly every 100lbs less weight gives you 1 tenth in the 1/4 mile, or every 10hp more give 1 tenth. If you go by this, the LS1 has about 200-250lbs more weight to lug around, but has 70 more hp to do it with (based on 310 rwhp dyno for an LS1 vs. 240 for a Z), which would give you roughly a 5 car deficit. Which makes sense considering your average Z should run about a 13.8-13.9 from what I've seen, and your average LS1 probably around a 13.4-13.5.

And vice, don't listen to this GreddyTT mook, he doesn't seem to know his elbow from his ***. He obviously doesn't have a TT 350Z, and I wonder if he has a Z at all.

euroguy

That would usually be a good reason not to believing something.

jester

Sooooooo...just cause no one was there to see me put 17 car lengths on that TT C5 vette...you guys won't believe me?
man, you guys are rough....

Maximam

Because the 350Z does not do the 1/4 mile in the low 13s stock and is not near the 105+ trap speed of a LS1.

Who cares about power to weight when the #s tell the tale.

1sweet00SS

What he said

vice86

iTrader: (1)

Sorry guys...didnt know this was beat to death..lol. Why is the Z rated at 287HP if you saw RWHP is only 240? I'm not down with all the specs of cars and stuff...i know how to put in gas, change the oil and drive the car.

Ill still race my bro for ****** and giggles just to see...maybe he'll get a bad start and I'll win and he'll think my car is a demon!!!!..lol...or maybe not.

BlackDemon

It is rated at 287 crank HP...

but it dyno's usually around 240 to the wheels..

In other words the engine is producing around 287 HP, but only around 240 of that HP is making it to the wheels....
It loses HP throughout the drive train etc. etc.

aggiez

[domesticnazi]BLAARRGH, LS1'S ARE AWESOME!!! IF GOD DROVE A CAR IT WOULD BE AN LS1, NOTHING CAN TOUCH IT BALARRRGH!!!!![/domesticnazi]



It depends on the driver. I've been beaten by plenty, I've beaten a few. Just take it all in stride and don't think because you beat one you can beat them all, and vis versa.

hfm

iTrader: (1)

I agree. I've raced two SS's. I beat one. I lost to one. It came down to a driver's race at the launch. At 320 hp v.s. our 287 the LS-1 is not unbeatable. Moreover, they've been around for awhile and quite a few have modifications. Without speaking with the owner, it's impossible to tell what you're racing.

Now, there are a few 350 hp LS-1 vettes and of course the 400+ hp Z06 that have a clear advantage and to which we should consistently lose. But, it's getting very old hearing people say that we will never beat a LS-1. That's just plainly incorrect.

JP00SS

SO these few 350 hp vettes that have a clear advantage just proves some of you guys have no clue. LS1=LS1. The F-body's are UNDERATED from the factory for the fifteenth time. So actually, you are plainly incorrect. I would have thought you would have picked up on that by now since these posts are getting so old.

I am in no way saying that a Z cannot beat a LS1, but if it does, it is probably because of driver error.

BlackDemon

Wow great showing of maturity...


If you beat and LS1 then that was one sick car, or one horrible driver...
you guys like to quote crank HP numbers such as your 350Z's 287,
but I on the other hand like to talk what the car actually puts down...
most Z's I have seen dyno usually around 230-245RWHP..
I have yet to see and LS1 not go over 300RWHP stock...
I can see how the 350Z would pull on an LS1....

Then again..
Look where I am..
I can't expect much really since so many of you are in denial....
The 350Z can never lose..
I forgot, how dumb of me

DamianZ

well, I think we all generally have different personal expectations and have that mentallity of "my car is better then yours," doesn't always have to be cars but anything else as well which is normal.

hfm

iTrader: (1)

No, this is wrong as I understand not all LS1s have 350 hp. I know the 50th anniversary vette has 350. I understand the SS, Z28 and I believe the regular C5 vettes have 320.

What is your problem? We are not in denial. We never said a 350Z can never lose. In fact, some of you LS1ers seem to think a LS1 will never lose. And, I am looking at where you are. You run around in a heavily modified cars with 500+ hp and compare vs stock Zs.

I find you LS1 guys can be characterized in one of two ways: 1) reasonable auto fans who like our cars and come over to check the forum. Some of you provide us with good information and are generally cool and don't troll or assert that their LS1 is invincible, or 2) trolls that do nothing but argue that their LS1 is the **** and no Z will ever hang with a LS1 regardless of the facts.

If you're a number 2, do us a favor and go pester some WRX, S2000 or EVO forum because you're not welcome here.