Reasons why the Z is superior to everything else!
08-23-2005, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by konaforever
Yet the M3 can run around a track as well as a C5 Corvette. In fact, faster timed around the Nurburgring. The E46 M3 and C5 came out around the same time. That's why I'm comparing those two.
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/2000)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/1997)
What you're forgetting is the the 3 series is the best in its class already. Having it as a base is a lot better start than most cars suped up. You make it sound like the 3 series is some average econobox.
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/2000)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/1997)
What you're forgetting is the the 3 series is the best in its class already. Having it as a base is a lot better start than most cars suped up. You make it sound like the 3 series is some average econobox.
I was not comparing about best in class, but for the money how does it stand against a C6. That would be a terribly unfair comparison.
Econobox, M3 is definitely not. BMW is a luxury car company. Would I compare M3 to STI or RS4, yes. Are they all special, yes they are in their repsective category, does M3 stand out, may be, but Audi 4.2 V8 may be better for modding for 0-60 times. And when I am shopping for sports car, I am not shopping for a sport coupe, so we are going back in circles.
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08-23-2005, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by konaforever
I was responding to your "M3 doesn't look mean" part of your post in regard to not having many exterior differences than a regular 3 series couple. It was more than you had mentioned. 
08-24-2005, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by konaforever
You forgot aluminum hood with power dome, flared fenders, wider tires, different rear bumper, and a wider rear track, which gives it a lower, wider stance. It doesn't share a single body panel with the normal 3 series.
Besides that, they're almost the same.
Besides that, they're almost the same.
Regarding whoever said that car companies were just adding HP to make a different line of cars... Uhh.. If you look at BMW's M division, they basically just take the same base and start from there. The new M5 is
08-24-2005, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SB Track
You're cash money. Finally, some people who truly respect the M3 for what is is. I wonder how you know so much about the M3? I was set on buying one, but my parents said it was too much... And I just don't like the 330ci. I think the new C6 vette is decent at best. Very nice performance numbers, but I don't respect the need to use a 6.0L V8. I'd take a Carrera S 997 that can put down the same numbers with 3.8L. And put it down in style to boot.
Regarding whoever said that car companies were just adding HP to make a different line of cars... Uhh.. If you look at BMW's M division, they basically just take the same base and start from there. The new M5 is
Regarding whoever said that car companies were just adding HP to make a different line of cars... Uhh.. If you look at BMW's M division, they basically just take the same base and start from there. The new M5 is
Yeah, the 330CI doesn't do it for me like the M, although with the sport package, it's not too bad. I like the Vette, but I'd have to get a Z06 if I got one. Those are too expensive right now, though. Would have to get a used one.
08-24-2005, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SB Track
You're cash money. Finally, some people who truly respect the M3 for what is is. I wonder how you know so much about the M3? I was set on buying one, but my parents said it was too much... And I just don't like the 330ci. I think the new C6 vette is decent at best. Very nice performance numbers, but I don't respect the need to use a 6.0L V8. I'd take a Carrera S 997 that can put down the same numbers with 3.8L. And put it down in style to boot.
Regarding whoever said that car companies were just adding HP to make a different line of cars... Uhh.. If you look at BMW's M division, they basically just take the same base and start from there. The new M5 is
Regarding whoever said that car companies were just adding HP to make a different line of cars... Uhh.. If you look at BMW's M division, they basically just take the same base and start from there. The new M5 is
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08-24-2005, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Fletch69z
Don't get me wrong I like the Porsche but you are talking about about a 30K difference in price or so between the two. I actually bought the Z for the same reasons as you were saying. Mustang or Camaro that don't handle worth **** compared to the Z with V-8s putting out around 300 HP or a 3.5 liter V6 putting out the same and with much better reliability, .
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08-24-2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kalima275Z
Is there a 05 or 06 M3 out?
But watch for it. V8 and 400 hp, it promises to eat Audi RS4's and AMG C55's for breakfast.
08-24-2005, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by spcemn_spiff
Very unfair, C5 automatic is a 4 speed auto. Fair comparison would be 6 speed manual if you can call that fair.
I was not comparing about best in class, but for the money how does it stand against a C6. That would be a terribly unfair comparison.
Econobox, M3 is definitely not. BMW is a luxury car company. Would I compare M3 to STI or RS4, yes. Are they all special, yes they are in their repsective category, does M3 stand out, may be, but Audi 4.2 V8 may be better for modding for 0-60 times. And when I am shopping for sports car, I am not shopping for a sport coupe, so we are going back in circles.
I was not comparing about best in class, but for the money how does it stand against a C6. That would be a terribly unfair comparison.
Econobox, M3 is definitely not. BMW is a luxury car company. Would I compare M3 to STI or RS4, yes. Are they all special, yes they are in their repsective category, does M3 stand out, may be, but Audi 4.2 V8 may be better for modding for 0-60 times. And when I am shopping for sports car, I am not shopping for a sport coupe, so we are going back in circles.
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