350Z or Boxter S/ Cayman S
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Originally Posted by tylerdurden07
27K brand new? Damn.. i need to come where you're at.. Mine was 34K until I talked it down a lil..
Retail is 27,900, and people should be able to get it for near invoice at this point.
Originally Posted by Electricchild
a C6 Z06 also costs 80k+...
Same with the 911.
Some of the cars on that list are way out of the price range of the cars the OP is thinking about.
Same with the 911.
Some of the cars on that list are way out of the price range of the cars the OP is thinking about.
Originally Posted by spf4000
LSD does not make or break a sports car. In fact, LSD leads to turn-in understeer, so if your car is well balanced, you don't need/want an LSD. Look at the Elise/Exige as an example. Both cars perform better on the track without an LSD. The only reason Lotus made the LSD available as an option was because Autocrossers complained that they were spinning their wheels coming out of low speed turns. On a REAL track, The LSD hinders performance by causing slow turn in.
The conclusion is that if the car doesn't need and LSD, there's no benefit of putting one on.
Then again, I'm probably preaching to the wrong person considering your name is "streetracer".
The conclusion is that if the car doesn't need and LSD, there's no benefit of putting one on.
Then again, I'm probably preaching to the wrong person considering your name is "streetracer".
Guess the question remains why Nissan put it on the track model, hmmmm.
BTW, have you tried to accelerate out of a corner with an open diff? try it, then we'll talk.
Originally Posted by spf4000
LSD does not make or break a sports car. In fact, LSD leads to turn-in understeer, so if your car is well balanced, you don't need/want an LSD. Look at the Elise/Exige as an example. Both cars perform better on the track without an LSD. The only reason Lotus made the LSD available as an option was because Autocrossers complained that they were spinning their wheels coming out of low speed turns. On a REAL track, The LSD hinders performance by causing slow turn in.
The conclusion is that if the car doesn't need and LSD, there's no benefit of putting one on.
Then again, I'm probably preaching to the wrong person considering your name is "streetracer".
The conclusion is that if the car doesn't need and LSD, there's no benefit of putting one on.
Then again, I'm probably preaching to the wrong person considering your name is "streetracer".
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Originally Posted by streetracer
The list doesn't say Z06, it clearly says C6.
Originally Posted by hardrock905
Nope. I read an article about it recently and it is not street legal, yet. And damn, that thing is hella fast. There are 3 engine options. The article I read was based on the Atom with the middle engine and the performance numbers were kick ***. I would love to see what the most powerful engine is capable of. 
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Originally Posted by streetracer
My cousin has one with the Ecotec Supercharged. He tells me that the engine is way overrated from the Atom factory. They dynoed it at 166 whp. The best seems to be the Type R engine.
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Originally Posted by streetracer
Maybe you should ask Brian of Performance Nissan why their $95,000 Nismo racing 350z's come equipped with an LSD.
If Porsche designed the Cayman to work without an LSD in the first place, it may be balanced such that it rotates into the corner better by having an open diff.
And to answer your other smart a$$ remark, yes, I own and drive an open diff car around a track (Elise). And I accelerate fine out of corners. It's called having a suspension designed to utilize the open diff setup. You seem to think that cars can't go fast unless they have an LSD, but depending on the car and its setup, you can go faster without an LSD.
Originally Posted by streetracer
Wow, you really seem to know your stuff saying that a high end sports car is good without LSD.
Guess the question remains why Nissan put it on the track model, hmmmm.
BTW, have you tried to accelerate out of a corner with an open diff? try it, then we'll talk.
Guess the question remains why Nissan put it on the track model, hmmmm.
BTW, have you tried to accelerate out of a corner with an open diff? try it, then we'll talk.
Remember to buy the go fast bits with the colorfull packaging. They're the fastest...
No seriously, shut up and listen to spf a little. You might learn some things...
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Originally Posted by Kolia
Aha! So you know more than spf4000 maybe ?
Remember to buy the go fast bits with the colorfull packaging. They're the fastest...
No seriously, shut up and listen to spf a little. You might learn some things...
Remember to buy the go fast bits with the colorfull packaging. They're the fastest...
No seriously, shut up and listen to spf a little. You might learn some things...
streetracer has been
I read all 6 pages of this thread so far -- some good points and some I disagree with, but a few things to keep in mind.
All car manufacturers need an "entry level" car. Like them or not the Boxster saved Porsche from going bankrupt in the mid-90's. Porsche sales were WAY down in the early 90's; almost down to exotic sales numbers. Without Boxsters and the sales/profit they produced Porsche would have most likely been bought out by GM or Ford and then what? I shiver just to even think about that.
I have owned a 1997 911 (model 993) C2S -- the last of the oil/air cooled 911s for many years and they are awesome cars. On paper the 3.6L flat-6 was only 282hp, but with Porsche it is all about "usable" horsepower. The transmission gearing is so perfectly matched to the powerband of the motor that it is nothing less than sweet! But, nothing is cheap about a Porsche. From $300 oil changes, to expensive car insurance just to have it as a pleasure vehicle with 5000 miles or less a year (let alone a daily driver). I will say that when I got my 2003 Track Ed. 350Z used last year that with just NISMO CAI and exhaust my Z felt very close the my 97 993. Of course by that time my 993 was 9 years old, but be that as it may. The only noticable difference was definately in the transmission gearing and slightly better handling stock both going to my 993. Other than a short-throw shifter, my 993 C2S was stock.
I like the Boxster, I drove one as a loaner for several days. Just the base model was extremely fun and I did take it to the rev limiter several times on back country roads when I had it. It was light, nimble, responsive and braked extremely well. I couldn't even believe what a Boxster S would feel like. But if I am buying one I would buy a Cayman S as I am not too into ragtops if I am writting a check for one.
Mid-engine design chassis do have their advantages all the way up until you get into a 360 spin then it is harder to recover from one then from a front or rear engine design chassis since all the weight is in the middle. The Cayman S has the potential to out perform the 911 and I believe has on the Nurburgring, but politically Porsche will never let another "P-car" beat its flagship 911 stock from the factory.
I love almost all Porsches (save the 924, but Porsche fanatics would argue that a 924 is more Audi than Porsche). I love 928's and even though you can get them dirt cheap now, they are just so dam expensive to maintain (and why I have still kept away from them). 944's are still fast as hell on the track as well as their turbo 951 counterparts. Those cars are 20-some years old and will still give your stock Z hassle out on the track. 911's are cool. Boxsters are fun and I really like Cayman S' too. If someone was to toss me the keys to any one of those cars, those keys would never hit the ground!
P.S. I got my used Z to run out on the track. It has decent performance and handling for what I paid for it used and most importantly it is cheaper to maintain than a Porsche! You have to look at the big picture sometimes...
All car manufacturers need an "entry level" car. Like them or not the Boxster saved Porsche from going bankrupt in the mid-90's. Porsche sales were WAY down in the early 90's; almost down to exotic sales numbers. Without Boxsters and the sales/profit they produced Porsche would have most likely been bought out by GM or Ford and then what? I shiver just to even think about that.
I have owned a 1997 911 (model 993) C2S -- the last of the oil/air cooled 911s for many years and they are awesome cars. On paper the 3.6L flat-6 was only 282hp, but with Porsche it is all about "usable" horsepower. The transmission gearing is so perfectly matched to the powerband of the motor that it is nothing less than sweet! But, nothing is cheap about a Porsche. From $300 oil changes, to expensive car insurance just to have it as a pleasure vehicle with 5000 miles or less a year (let alone a daily driver). I will say that when I got my 2003 Track Ed. 350Z used last year that with just NISMO CAI and exhaust my Z felt very close the my 97 993. Of course by that time my 993 was 9 years old, but be that as it may. The only noticable difference was definately in the transmission gearing and slightly better handling stock both going to my 993. Other than a short-throw shifter, my 993 C2S was stock.
I like the Boxster, I drove one as a loaner for several days. Just the base model was extremely fun and I did take it to the rev limiter several times on back country roads when I had it. It was light, nimble, responsive and braked extremely well. I couldn't even believe what a Boxster S would feel like. But if I am buying one I would buy a Cayman S as I am not too into ragtops if I am writting a check for one.
Mid-engine design chassis do have their advantages all the way up until you get into a 360 spin then it is harder to recover from one then from a front or rear engine design chassis since all the weight is in the middle. The Cayman S has the potential to out perform the 911 and I believe has on the Nurburgring, but politically Porsche will never let another "P-car" beat its flagship 911 stock from the factory.
I love almost all Porsches (save the 924, but Porsche fanatics would argue that a 924 is more Audi than Porsche). I love 928's and even though you can get them dirt cheap now, they are just so dam expensive to maintain (and why I have still kept away from them). 944's are still fast as hell on the track as well as their turbo 951 counterparts. Those cars are 20-some years old and will still give your stock Z hassle out on the track. 911's are cool. Boxsters are fun and I really like Cayman S' too. If someone was to toss me the keys to any one of those cars, those keys would never hit the ground!
P.S. I got my used Z to run out on the track. It has decent performance and handling for what I paid for it used and most importantly it is cheaper to maintain than a Porsche! You have to look at the big picture sometimes...
Originally Posted by bailey bill
Y'all need to read "lightning lap" in the November '06 issue of Car and Driver.
On a 4.2 mile road course (Virginia International Raceway), the Cayman outperforms the Z.
But considering that it is over twice the price, the difference is not very significant. The Porsche turned in 3:09.5 lap time (av spd 79.8) and the Z turned in a 3:12.5 (av spd 78.5)
I think I 'd rather have 2 Zs than one Cayman. Maybe a coupe AND a roadster.
bill
On a 4.2 mile road course (Virginia International Raceway), the Cayman outperforms the Z.
But considering that it is over twice the price, the difference is not very significant. The Porsche turned in 3:09.5 lap time (av spd 79.8) and the Z turned in a 3:12.5 (av spd 78.5)
I think I 'd rather have 2 Zs than one Cayman. Maybe a coupe AND a roadster.
bill
That's awesome!!!!!!!!! 3 second difference overall
I've had my share of encounters with the newer 911, Cayman-S and Boxter-S. I've had to chase the 911s (4s, S, TT), was neck and neck with the Cayman-S overall, and spanked the Boxter-S. This is from roll-ons and digs via the street. Skewed... probably. But its fun sitting side-by-side, with a WTF look on a Porsche owners face, LOL!
I can't wait to drop in my 3.9FD in about 2 weeks! This ACT clutch setup and new tranny is just beautiful! And the 295s don't spin, they just hook up when its warm out.
I think my 40k Z would do just fine against the Cayman-S on the track. The Cayman does have a top speed of 171 though, damn aerodynamics, lol. I guess I won't try it on the Nurb....
I love the look of this Cayman-S in particular
Zquicksilver
TechArt goodies for Porsches are not cheap. That TechArt Cayman has to be 30 grand or more on top of what you pay for a Cayman S. I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
In my Porsche mags at home there is a Tuner in CT I believe that is doing a limited run on 911-spanking Cayman S'. I'll try to find the link tonight and post it up. These limited run Caymans are not cheap -- 6 digits.
In my Porsche mags at home there is a Tuner in CT I believe that is doing a limited run on 911-spanking Cayman S'. I'll try to find the link tonight and post it up. These limited run Caymans are not cheap -- 6 digits.
Originally Posted by Zquicksilver
That's awesome!!!!!!!!! 3 second difference overall
I've had my share of encounters with the newer 911, Cayman-S and Boxter-S. I've had to chase the 911s (4s, S, TT), was neck and neck with the Cayman-S overall, and spanked the Boxter-S. This is from roll-ons and digs via the street. Skewed... probably. But its fun sitting side-by-side, with a WTF look on a Porsche owners face, LOL!
I can't wait to drop in my 3.9FD in about 2 weeks! This ACT clutch setup and new tranny is just beautiful! And the 295s don't spin, they just hook up when its warm out.
I think my 40k Z would do just fine against the Cayman-S on the track. The Cayman does have a top speed of 171 though, damn aerodynamics, lol. I guess I won't try it on the Nurb....
I love the look of this Cayman-S in particular
Zquicksilver
I've had my share of encounters with the newer 911, Cayman-S and Boxter-S. I've had to chase the 911s (4s, S, TT), was neck and neck with the Cayman-S overall, and spanked the Boxter-S. This is from roll-ons and digs via the street. Skewed... probably. But its fun sitting side-by-side, with a WTF look on a Porsche owners face, LOL!
I can't wait to drop in my 3.9FD in about 2 weeks! This ACT clutch setup and new tranny is just beautiful! And the 295s don't spin, they just hook up when its warm out.
I think my 40k Z would do just fine against the Cayman-S on the track. The Cayman does have a top speed of 171 though, damn aerodynamics, lol. I guess I won't try it on the Nurb....
I love the look of this Cayman-S in particular
Zquicksilver
Yeah.. That is sexy.. I'd give up my Z for that in a heart beat.. Don't get me wrong, I love my Z, but If I could look at that every morning before going to work, I don't think I'd have any bad days
