287 hp vs. 300 hp
05-02-2007, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by davidv
During 2003, Nissan built 12 NRT (Nissan Racing Team) motors for formula competition. Only 7 were delivered. Word is that 5 motors made their way into 350Zs headed to the United States. There is no documentation as to which 350Z got the NRT motor. You may have 1 of only 5.
05-02-2007, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by xyberai
All this "chirping" seems hardly relevant without knowing if people are on stockers, tread life, etc....
Besides, is it really a big deal?
Besides, is it really a big deal?
05-22-2007, 08:13 AM
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its good to see you people know nothing about anyting except of course xyberai.
first of all,i registered just to tell you people that your talking like 14 year olds and people that have never been to race tracks. Chirping means nothing except that you are losing valuable time by spinning your wheels. I can chirp 5th in an 1989 civic si with 95whp does that make it the be all end all?
Secondly, No nissan didnt put race motors in 5 cars why would they? It costs a lot for R&D for them just to drop it into a production car for free is just a logical fallacy.
Thirdly freeway rolls arent races and doesnt prove if your faster or if you have more horsepower. Horsepower or acceleration tests are from a stop, so torque can actually come into play. Roll races on the freeway is all about gearing and weight vs horsepower.
Lastly the industry standard for acceleration test is the 1/4 mile so going above 105 is just pointless. Incase you have never been to the track i gurantee you will run 2 seconds slower then you think your car will run your first time. This so called factory freak doesnt exist there is standard deviation in cars but nothing more then 5-6whp
first of all,i registered just to tell you people that your talking like 14 year olds and people that have never been to race tracks. Chirping means nothing except that you are losing valuable time by spinning your wheels. I can chirp 5th in an 1989 civic si with 95whp does that make it the be all end all?
Secondly, No nissan didnt put race motors in 5 cars why would they? It costs a lot for R&D for them just to drop it into a production car for free is just a logical fallacy.
Thirdly freeway rolls arent races and doesnt prove if your faster or if you have more horsepower. Horsepower or acceleration tests are from a stop, so torque can actually come into play. Roll races on the freeway is all about gearing and weight vs horsepower.
Lastly the industry standard for acceleration test is the 1/4 mile so going above 105 is just pointless. Incase you have never been to the track i gurantee you will run 2 seconds slower then you think your car will run your first time. This so called factory freak doesnt exist there is standard deviation in cars but nothing more then 5-6whp
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05-22-2007, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by biga27110
its good to see you people know nothing about anyting except of course xyberai.
first of all,i registered just to tell you people that your talking like 14 year olds and people that have never been to race tracks. Chirping means nothing except that you are losing valuable time by spinning your wheels. I can chirp 5th in an 1989 civic si with 95whp does that make it the be all end all?
Secondly, No nissan didnt put race motors in 5 cars why would they? It costs a lot for R&D for them just to drop it into a production car for free is just a logical fallacy.
Thirdly freeway rolls arent races and doesnt prove if your faster or if you have more horsepower. Horsepower or acceleration tests are from a stop, so torque can actually come into play. Roll races on the freeway is all about gearing and weight vs horsepower.
Lastly the industry standard for acceleration test is the 1/4 mile so going above 105 is just pointless. Incase you have never been to the track i gurantee you will run 2 seconds slower then you think your car will run your first time. This so called factory freak doesnt exist there is standard deviation in cars but nothing more then 5-6whp
first of all,i registered just to tell you people that your talking like 14 year olds and people that have never been to race tracks. Chirping means nothing except that you are losing valuable time by spinning your wheels. I can chirp 5th in an 1989 civic si with 95whp does that make it the be all end all?
Secondly, No nissan didnt put race motors in 5 cars why would they? It costs a lot for R&D for them just to drop it into a production car for free is just a logical fallacy.
Thirdly freeway rolls arent races and doesnt prove if your faster or if you have more horsepower. Horsepower or acceleration tests are from a stop, so torque can actually come into play. Roll races on the freeway is all about gearing and weight vs horsepower.
Lastly the industry standard for acceleration test is the 1/4 mile so going above 105 is just pointless. Incase you have never been to the track i gurantee you will run 2 seconds slower then you think your car will run your first time. This so called factory freak doesnt exist there is standard deviation in cars but nothing more then 5-6whp
05-22-2007, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RBlover69
A 287 on the highway kinda looses all life
What's with all the people knocking 287 horses? Do you guys go WOT every time you're on the freaking highway? I have to keep myself under 90, and that's a challenge sometimes.
I'll just never understand it, I guess. I would think you were talking about a Ford Focus if I didn't know better, though.
05-22-2007, 08:54 AM
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This so called factory freak doesnt exist there is standard deviation in cars but nothing more then 5-6whp
(The 03 Z that pulled just befor me got 234.7)
Not what I would call a "factory freak" but it's more than 6whp.
05-22-2007, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Z1NONLY
I have an extra 16HP at the wheels.
(The 03 Z that pulled just befor me got 234.7)
Not what I would call a "factory freak" but it's more than 6whp.
(The 03 Z that pulled just befor me got 234.7)
Not what I would call a "factory freak" but it's more than 6whp.
Do you have any mods or was it stock vs stock?Tuned? Wheels and tranny mods make a different as there is less rotational mass giving better power to the tires.
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Originally Posted by 98MODMTR
I have the letters NRT on the sticker w/in my drivers door. What the heck do they stand for?
05-22-2007, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Z1NONLY
Both of us had "free-flow" drop in air filters. (he had a K&N, I had an "Air hog" by Fram)
I replaced my open diff with a Quaife, but otherwise it's a bone stock 05' Base model.
I replaced my open diff with a Quaife, but otherwise it's a bone stock 05' Base model.
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Originally Posted by Kegsbane
Wow, did you sell a Z06 to get your Z?
What's with all the people knocking 287 horses? Do you guys go WOT every time you're on the freaking highway? I have to keep myself under 90, and that's a challenge sometimes.
I'll just never understand it, I guess. I would think you were talking about a Ford Focus if I didn't know better, though.
What's with all the people knocking 287 horses? Do you guys go WOT every time you're on the freaking highway? I have to keep myself under 90, and that's a challenge sometimes.
I'll just never understand it, I guess. I would think you were talking about a Ford Focus if I didn't know better, though.
i have had both cars. On the highway more hp gets you the win in the top end.(not talking weight) Thats all there is really. im not knocking the 287 i actually had no problems with it opposed to my revup. But the revup is just more powerfull engine however minor . Bottom line. Its not as noticiable as the HR i mean its only 30% different. I have had countless races with both cars even road raced. I actually doubted the revup in every aspect until a road race event where in the straights i would get pulled everytime.
My dyno with my 287 238rwhp
my dyno with my revup 251 rwhp
both dyno jets
STD corrected.
The huge difference is TQ where as my revup has hella less tq then my 287
im not talking 1/4 times because the tq alone on the 287 kinda nulls the revups improvments on a 1/4 track
the only way to honeslty have a test with the revup is on a topend highway run. Honeslty or on a straight on a track. Thats the only way really to see the difference both stock with similar skilled drivers. Thats all this isnt a pissing contest its really facts.
Now i raced a HR and that was worse. But even the HR owner admitted that i put more of a fight then the 287 she raced. Its really just a numbers game nothing else.
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Originally Posted by Seyfi1
you mean you dont spin or chirp into second?? wth ...does anyone else spin into second and chirp into 3rd like me?
running against my cuzn's eclipse gst when hiting second my back went sideways and all... then shifted to 3rd and thats when it griped....
i guess if you are revin high enough and shift fast enough its posible...
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Originally Posted by RBlover69
what dont u understand its rather simple
i have had both cars. On the highway more hp gets you the win in the top end.(not talking weight) Thats all there is really. im not knocking the 287 i actually had no problems with it opposed to my revup. But the revup is just more powerfull engine however minor . Bottom line. Its not as noticiable as the HR i mean its only 30% different. I have had countless races with both cars even road raced. I actually doubted the revup in every aspect until a road race event where in the straights i would get pulled everytime.
My dyno with my 287 238rwhp
my dyno with my revup 251 rwhp
both dyno jets
STD corrected.
The huge difference is TQ where as my revup has hella less tq then my 287
im not talking 1/4 times because the tq alone on the 287 kinda nulls the revups improvments on a 1/4 track
the only way to honeslty have a test with the revup is on a topend highway run. Honeslty or on a straight on a track. Thats the only way really to see the difference both stock with similar skilled drivers. Thats all this isnt a pissing contest its really facts.
Now i raced a HR and that was worse. But even the HR owner admitted that i put more of a fight then the 287 she raced. Its really just a numbers game nothing else.
i have had both cars. On the highway more hp gets you the win in the top end.(not talking weight) Thats all there is really. im not knocking the 287 i actually had no problems with it opposed to my revup. But the revup is just more powerfull engine however minor . Bottom line. Its not as noticiable as the HR i mean its only 30% different. I have had countless races with both cars even road raced. I actually doubted the revup in every aspect until a road race event where in the straights i would get pulled everytime.
My dyno with my 287 238rwhp
my dyno with my revup 251 rwhp
both dyno jets
STD corrected.
The huge difference is TQ where as my revup has hella less tq then my 287
im not talking 1/4 times because the tq alone on the 287 kinda nulls the revups improvments on a 1/4 track
the only way to honeslty have a test with the revup is on a topend highway run. Honeslty or on a straight on a track. Thats the only way really to see the difference both stock with similar skilled drivers. Thats all this isnt a pissing contest its really facts.
Now i raced a HR and that was worse. But even the HR owner admitted that i put more of a fight then the 287 she raced. Its really just a numbers game nothing else.
Road racing is completely different its all about your midrange and power band not peak numbers