driving from Seattle to SF Bay Area in an 03 or 04 Z?
06-29-2011, 11:57 PM
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It was discussed in threads like https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-n...rive-my-z.html, https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-n...32-04-5-a.html, https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-n...5-changes.html, https://my350z.com/forum/maintenance...04-models.html, https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-n...to-2004-z.html and https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-n...nthusiast.html. (search for bounc)
From https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-n...l#post1002043:
Yeah, I too would be bothered by the road noise but that's to me is nothing compared to being in pain.
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06-30-2011, 10:31 PM
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I done this trip and went further to LA, it was alot of fun almost zen like experience the 03 Z was absolutely no trouble though, when I found myself going down thru the windey forest (alone) I was having a blast with the turns I didn't go too crazy but enough to get a buzz!
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It is a storage mechanism. Gas is relatively cheap. Compare to the huge energy expenditure to make a hybrid, the massive chemical load, the computers, motors and magnets, etc. If anything, the battery packs on hybrids are destroying the environment, so make sure you AVOID driving a car with lead, nickel or polymer in the batteries. Many people do not recycle them properly either.
Your best choice is a small car with a high mpg gas engine if you care about the environment, not a hybrid.
http://www.hybridcars.com/battery-toxicity.html
Lead, Nickel, Lithium—In That Order
The need for more robust battery technologies to power vehicles and their accessories prompted Environmental Defense to conduct a three-month research effort in 2005 to examine environmental impacts related to the extraction, manufacture, use, and disposal of nickel metal hydride batteries, as well as lithium ion—which many consider to be the battery of choice in the next five years. Environmental Defense then compared those impacts to lead acid. "Our initial conclusion is that lead is the worst, nickel is next, and lithium is the least harmful," said Thomas. This will greatly depend on what materials are combined with lithium, and how toxic those materials are. Using cobalt, for example, in lithium ion batteries would be problematic. It will also depend on the emerging recycling technologies.
While not nearly as dangerous as lead, nickel is not without some environmental risks, and is considered a probable carcinogen. There are also concerns about the environmental impacts of nickel mining, and apparent challenges with fully recycling the nickel used in hybrid batteries.
Hybrids are still sold an relatively low numbers. As a result, large-scale environmental threats from hybrid batteries are not immediate. Hybrids were introduced in the United States in 2000. Hybrid batteries are under warranty for eight to 10 years, depending on the manufacturer and your location, most likely won't fail for several years beyond the warranty. In the first few years, hybrids sold in low numbers—growing from less than 10,000 in 2000, to 35,000 in 2002. By all calculations, the challenge of recycling hybrid batteries is at least five years away.
The need for more robust battery technologies to power vehicles and their accessories prompted Environmental Defense to conduct a three-month research effort in 2005 to examine environmental impacts related to the extraction, manufacture, use, and disposal of nickel metal hydride batteries, as well as lithium ion—which many consider to be the battery of choice in the next five years. Environmental Defense then compared those impacts to lead acid. "Our initial conclusion is that lead is the worst, nickel is next, and lithium is the least harmful," said Thomas. This will greatly depend on what materials are combined with lithium, and how toxic those materials are. Using cobalt, for example, in lithium ion batteries would be problematic. It will also depend on the emerging recycling technologies.
While not nearly as dangerous as lead, nickel is not without some environmental risks, and is considered a probable carcinogen. There are also concerns about the environmental impacts of nickel mining, and apparent challenges with fully recycling the nickel used in hybrid batteries.
Hybrids are still sold an relatively low numbers. As a result, large-scale environmental threats from hybrid batteries are not immediate. Hybrids were introduced in the United States in 2000. Hybrid batteries are under warranty for eight to 10 years, depending on the manufacturer and your location, most likely won't fail for several years beyond the warranty. In the first few years, hybrids sold in low numbers—growing from less than 10,000 in 2000, to 35,000 in 2002. By all calculations, the challenge of recycling hybrid batteries is at least five years away.
07-07-2011, 10:09 PM
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mostly anti-hybrid FUD
You've been suckered, hybrids are worse for the environment. Why? Carbon-chain gases like heptane make up the fuel part of gasoline and can easily be manufactured from other sources. In other words, gasoline can be made from environmentally-friendly sources, at which point the only threat is from water pollution and inhalation.
It is a storage mechanism. Gas is relatively cheap. Compare to the huge energy expenditure to make a hybrid, the massive chemical load, the computers, motors and magnets, etc. If anything, the battery packs on hybrids are destroying the environment, so make sure you AVOID driving a car with lead, nickel or polymer in the batteries. Many people do not recycle them properly either.
Your best choice is a small car with a high mpg gas engine if you care about the environment, not a hybrid.
http://www.hybridcars.com/battery-toxicity.html
It is a storage mechanism. Gas is relatively cheap. Compare to the huge energy expenditure to make a hybrid, the massive chemical load, the computers, motors and magnets, etc. If anything, the battery packs on hybrids are destroying the environment, so make sure you AVOID driving a car with lead, nickel or polymer in the batteries. Many people do not recycle them properly either.
Your best choice is a small car with a high mpg gas engine if you care about the environment, not a hybrid.
http://www.hybridcars.com/battery-toxicity.html
Please cite sources regarding the "hybrid, the massive chemical load, the computers, motors and magnets, etc." Please take a look at refutations of the usual hybrid FUD at http://prius.wikia.com/wiki/Environmental along with http://web.archive.org/web/200906120.../pdf/pgr_e.pdf. The Prius' NiMH battery pack only weighs about 100 lbs. and is fully recyclable. Toyota even has a bounty on failed/dead HV packs (as the article you cite says later on). In contrast, a single gallon of gasoline weighs 6.3 pounds and burning it produces 20 pounds of CO2 + other pollutants.
I hope you realize the Prius (and Toyota HSD based hybrids) have no starter and no alternator and instead have two motor/generators. Your starter motor is a motor. The starter along w/your alternator both likely have magnets in them. Cars have plenty of other motors such as those for cooling, HVAC, power windows, sunroofs, CD player, etc.
The power split device in HSD based hybrids is very simple w/only a single planetary gearset, no clutches, no tiny fluid passages nor torque converter. I put up some pics of the PSD and other components at https://picasaweb.google.com/1056841...eat=directlink.
No hybrid traction batteries are of lead-acid type.
You may as well avoid driving your car since virtually every car has a 12 volt lead acid battery in it (including hybrids). http://www.batterycouncil.org/LeadAc...1/Default.aspx says
Lead-acid batteries are the environmental success story of our time. More than 97 percent of all battery lead is recycled.
Also, to quote from the article you cited:
the toxicity levels and environmental impact of nickel metal hydride batteries—the type currently used in hybrids—are much lower.
Toyota and Honda place decals with a toll-free number on their hybrid battery packs. Toyota offers a $200 bounty to ensure that every battery comes back to the company. In a press release, Toyota states, "Every part of the battery, from the precious metals to the plastic, plates, steel case and the wiring, is recycled." Honda collects the battery and transfers it to a preferred recycler to follow their prescribed process: disassembling and sorting the materials; shredding the plastic material; recovering and processing the metal; and neutralizing the alkaline material before sending it to a landfill.
However, the price of the commodity doesn't at all reflect its true price. See http://green.autoblog.com/2011/06/20...o-15-a-gallon/ (which doesn't include the military interventions needed to secure its supply) and http://evnut.com/gasoline_oil.htm.
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