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Old 12-17-2015, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Firebase99 View Post
Well my handle on the Gen forums is GettingOld. Be pushing 40 soon and realized with all the straight roads in sunny Florida and awful traffic I wasnt quite ready for a Lexus but wanted something CLOSE to the 370 in feel but with much more comfort and DD ease for the same or less than I paid on the Z. Found that balance in the 3.8. IMO, I dont think theres a car on the market that offers better performance, tech and pseudo lux. I think the next Z, the Z35 should be two models. Bare bones inline 4 turbo, 2800 pounds, 250+HP around $26K starting and the GT version with all the bells and whistles, Twin turbo 3.0L V6 (420HP+) from Mercedes thats going in the next Q around $35K starting.
No need to source the 3.0 TT V6 from Mercedes. They've already confirmed the 2016 Q50's willb be getting two variations of the same VR derived V6 twin turbo in 300 and 400 HP configurations. Besides, the lowly MB TT V6 only outputs 329 HP
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Originally Posted by Firebase99 View Post
Well my handle on the Gen forums is GettingOld. Be pushing 40 soon and realized with all the straight roads in sunny Florida and awful traffic I wasnt quite ready for a Lexus but wanted something CLOSE to the 370 in feel but with much more comfort and DD ease for the same or less than I paid on the Z. Found that balance in the 3.8. IMO, I dont think theres a car on the market that offers better performance, tech and pseudo lux. I think the next Z, the Z35 should be two models. Bare bones inline 4 turbo, 2800 pounds, 250+HP around $26K starting and the GT version with all the bells and whistles, Twin turbo 3.0L V6 (420HP+) from Mercedes thats going in the next Q around $35K starting.
LMAO!! Do you know how much a twin turbo kit cost for a Z34?! 10k and that's just the kit. Not including installation, gauges, fabrication, ecu, r&d, warranty ect. Nissan would easily tack on another 20k to the z34 price tag for a factory tt option. 26k for a Boosted z from the factory haha
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Old 12-17-2015, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by NA350Z View Post
No need to source the 3.0 TT V6 from Mercedes. They've already confirmed the 2016 Q50's willb be getting two variations of the same VR derived V6 twin turbo in 300 and 400 HP configurations. Besides, the lowly MB TT V6 only outputs 329 HP
That tt 400 hp q50 will be well over 50k
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Originally Posted by SoCal_VQ View Post
That tt 400 hp q50 will be well over 50k
And the previous G37, current Q50/60 have the same VQ as a 370 and cost 50 too. Theyve always put their tooling in place, build the luxo rides and keep cost down on the Z's with fewer creature comforts and luxury.
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If you think of platform engineering as "tooling", than yes, the Z33/34 and last two generations of G35/37 were built on the FM platform. Both Nissan and Infiniti got the money's worth out of the front-midship chassis, with multiple models built over two decades. But will this always be the paradigm? We'll have to see what the next Q coupe looks like, but I suspect the two lines may diverge at that point. Infiniti wants an upscale sports coupe with all the "creature comforts", together with high-end materials, latest tech and luxury image.

The next Z may not follow that same line of thinking. In fact, I'd go a step further and say there are product planners, engineers and designers at Nissan familiar with the Z's legacy who'd be opposed to taking the Z in that direction. The entire point of this thread is there's little reason to think the next Z car is already set and will be introduced anytime SOON. Chances are, the company is directing all its attention towards products that sell in great numbers to increase market share. Any attention directed towards the Z at this point (end of 2015) is minimal for a product still several years away.
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Originally Posted by SoCal_VQ View Post
LMAO!! Do you know how much a twin turbo kit cost for a Z34?! 10k and that's just the kit. Not including installation, gauges, fabrication, ecu, r&d, warranty ect. Nissan would easily tack on another 20k to the z34 price tag for a factory tt option. 26k for a Boosted z from the factory haha
thats not how any of it works at all... every time you post something like this on the forum, i die a little on the inside knowing that a civic boy is representing the z/g platform sooo horribly.
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Old 12-17-2015, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by turboed350z View Post
thats not how any of it works at all... every time you post something like this on the forum, i die a little on the inside knowing that a civic boy is representing the z/g platform sooo horribly.
A civic boy?! I see your trying your best to insult a superior mind but to be politically correct I owned a usdm type r that is still worth more than your riced our z. But go on about how Honda is an inferior car manufacturer I would like another laugh.

P.S.A. The only reason you are modding any import is because of Honda. You might as well slap your father in the face when you talk like that 😂😂😂😂😂
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Originally Posted by SoCal_VQ View Post
A civic boy?! I see your trying your best to insult a superior mind but to be politically correct I owned a usdm type r that is still worth more than your riced our z. But go on about how Honda is an inferior car manufacturer I would like another laugh.

P.S.A. The only reason you are modding any import is because of Honda. You might as well slap your father in the face when you talk like that 😂😂😂😂😂

When my wheels costs more than your car+mods...

Anyways... back to the subject at hand. Tt35 for less than 50k, quite possible. They did it with the z32 they can do it with the z35. The question is will they go for more power or a lighter chassis.

I for one, wants both. Bump the hp up by 50, drop the weight by 300-500lbs and i can see the z35 being a serious competitor and still keep its roots.

Edit: the real question is will they have a luxurious verson, like the g35/g37 or will it be the lonel z35

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Originally Posted by dkmura View Post
If you think of platform engineering as "tooling", than yes, the Z33/34 and last two generations of G35/37 were built on the FM platform. Both Nissan and Infiniti got the money's worth out of the front-midship chassis, with multiple models built over two decades. But will this always be the paradigm? We'll have to see what the next Q coupe looks like, but I suspect the two lines may diverge at that point. Infiniti wants an upscale sports coupe with all the "creature comforts", together with high-end materials, latest tech and luxury image.

The next Z may not follow that same line of thinking. In fact, I'd go a step further and say there are product planners, engineers and designers at Nissan familiar with the Z's legacy who'd be opposed to taking the Z in that direction. The entire point of this thread is there's little reason to think the next Z car is already set and will be introduced anytime SOON. Chances are, the company is directing all its attention towards products that sell in great numbers to increase market share. Any attention directed towards the Z at this point (end of 2015) is minimal for a product still several years away.
Would it be fair to compare it to the hiatus between the end of the Z32 and the intro of the Z33? After they stopped making the 300ZX, I really thought that was the end of the Z from Nissan. I didn't know what to expect.
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A 2016 Nissan Maxima has a price tag at 35k but you people are saying Nissan would take a 40k Z, add twin turbos and charge less than what an NA Z and maxima go for now?! 😂😂😂😂

Fck tards smh

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I swear I just check up on these post to get a laugh from all the stupidity being displayed from all these ricers
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Originally Posted by SmoothZ View Post
Would it be fair to compare it to the hiatus between the end of the Z32 and the intro of the Z33? After they stopped making the 300ZX, I really thought that was the end of the Z from Nissan. I didn't know what to expect.
thats probably EXACTLY what theyre doing. chances are theyll likely recontinue the z after they discontinue the r35 like the r34/350z time line.
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Originally Posted by turboed350z View Post
thats probably EXACTLY what theyre doing. chances are theyll likely recontinue the z after they discontinue the r35 like the r34/350z time line.
Well don't hold your breath waiting because according to your logic there still needs to be a R36 and R37 before a Z35
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Gents, let's make this a clean and civil discussion. Numbers really don't factor in at this point if we're discussing the future of the Z. It's all speculation and nothing we can control, so we might as well chill and take a sip of that fancy beer or wine or scotch and continue the debate.
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Well don't hold your breath waiting because according to your logic there still needs to be a R36 and R37 before a Z35
the r33 came out in 93, ended in 98, a 6 year run. thens the 34 came out in 99, ended in 02. thats 4 years. the 300zx ended in 96. the 350 debute in 03 thats 7 years of absence.

by the r35 came out in 07, its it now 15 heading into 16, thats 9 year run, either the run is about to end and the r36 comes out or they discontinue it. either way, if the z34 ends in 16, it can debute in 2023 which is enough time for a new r36 to come and go.

but like everything that you have said on this forum, no one can take any of your replies serious.
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Originally Posted by SmoothZ View Post
Would it be fair to compare it to the hiatus between the end of the Z32 and the intro of the Z33? After they stopped making the 300ZX, I really thought that was the end of the Z from Nissan. I didn't know what to expect.
Not quite a fair comparison- that period not only saw the near extinction of the Z, but Nissan itself was really at risk. Without the alliance with Renault and a cash infusion in '99, Nissan would have had no R&D budget for the 350Z (or anything else).

Now, Nissan is on the other side of that doomsday scenario. It's been a staggering turnaround, and partially driven by the need for ROI. Nissan won't build any new product unless there's a huge, documented demand for product. Looking at the numbers posted at the start of this thread, there's the brutal truth: an affordable sportscar like the Z doesn't justify the time and effort so far. It's so far on the back burner, you can't even warm your hands with it...

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Originally Posted by dkmura View Post
Not quite a fair comparison- that period not only saw the near extinction of the Z, but Nissan itself was really at risk. Without the alliance with Renault and a cash infusion in '99, Nissan would have had no R&D budget for the 350Z (or anything else).

Now, Nissan is on the other side of that doomsday scenario. It's been a staggering turnaround, and partially driven by the need for ROI. Nissan won't build any new product unless there's a huge, documented demand for product. Looking at the numbers posted at the start of this thread, there's the brutal truth: an affordable sportscar like the Z doesn't justify the time and effort so far. It's so far on the back burner, you can't even warm your hands with it...
The z will sell the way it is for the next 5 years, Nissan is focusing on the GTR and Infiniti models.
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Originally Posted by dkmura View Post
Not quite a fair comparison- that period not only saw the near extinction of the Z, but Nissan itself was really at risk. Without the alliance with Renault and a cash infusion in '99, Nissan would have had no R&D budget for the 350Z (or anything else).

Now, Nissan is on the other side of that doomsday scenario. It's been a staggering turnaround, and partially driven by the need for ROI. Nissan won't build any new product unless there's a huge, documented demand for product. Looking at the numbers posted at the start of this thread, there's the brutal truth: an affordable sportscar like the Z doesn't justify the time and effort so far. It's so far on the back burner, you can't even warm your hands with it...
Could Nissan simply walk away from the Z car altogether?
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Could Nissan simply walk away from the Z car altogether?
All together? I hope not. Temporarily? Likely. Look at Toyota, Mazda and Mitsubishi who haven't had a serious sports car for years but instead focused on other models...just business I suppose. It's all about money nowadays.
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Originally Posted by dkmura View Post
Not quite a fair comparison- that period not only saw the near extinction of the Z, but Nissan itself was really at risk. Without the alliance with Renault and a cash infusion in '99, Nissan would have had no R&D budget for the 350Z (or anything else).

Now, Nissan is on the other side of that doomsday scenario. It's been a staggering turnaround, and partially driven by the need for ROI. Nissan won't build any new product unless there's a huge, documented demand for product. Looking at the numbers posted at the start of this thread, there's the brutal truth: an affordable sportscar like the Z doesn't justify the time and effort so far. It's so far on the back burner, you can't even warm your hands with it...
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Could Nissan simply walk away from the Z car altogether?
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All together? I hope not. Temporarily? Likely. Look at Toyota, Mazda and Mitsubishi who haven't had a serious sports car for years but instead focused on other models...just business I suppose. It's all about money nowadays.

So instead of all the gloom, doom, speculation, and flames, how about, thanks to dkmura's convenient segue, during this "festive season" (trying to be as PC as possible....gaaaaag), we raise our glasses (or mugs) of Scotch, French wine (ahem), 151-laced eggnog or Colt 45 (trying to cover all bases here) to....

Carlos Ghosn - who is the REAL hero who turned it all around and gave us what we already have.... some bishin' rides!

If you don't know who Ghosn is, please study. History of our cars is at least as important as the future 395.73Z of 2021.

Hic..... er, Mic (just back from a holiday gathering.... )

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