hey guys, i'm getting a viper 5901 installed this week and just a few questions.

i'm waiting on response on whether my installer will run the unlock/lock wires directly into the door...i've read some things on it, how many people here have that for their aftermarket alarm? to roll windows down/up like this and set up to two aux outputs(one for unlock, other for lock)?

any problems? i read one thread where someone said his wndows rolled down on him while driving on the highway.....

2nd. the installer said he can do the trunk popper since it already is on the oem alarm...

how about the gas cover popper? where would he tap into this?

thanks for any helpful answers...

 

I tapped into my 'gas cover popper' behind the button on the dash (IIRC, I just ran a auxilliary ground output to the wire...great for when you get out to pump gas and realize you forgot to hit that button). your installer shouldn't have a problem.

and if your installer has done a few Nissan installs, the window roll up/down shouldn't be hard either. (it would require running at least 2 wires into the door). The only problems I've heard of with the windows rolling down involved using Window Modules (which are unnecessary with the 350Z). the trunk pop will be easy, too...just tap into the correct wire by the BCM in the driver's kick panel.

there's a wealth of knowledge at the12volt.com....especially following this guy's install (they walk through how to do exactly what you are asking)

 

hey thanks alot for the info! I'll definately look into it when I get home.

 

If you hook the windows up correctly there is no way they can go down on their own while driving - the BCM prevents the windows from automatically moving when the ignition is on.

 

Hey guys, ok so i got the viper installed, they managed to get the window rolling down feature no problem..however they did NOT set up the window roll UP feature since I didn't "say" it to them...I recall saying "windows roll down and up" but anyway...

if i brought it back to the shop, is it a hard/long job to hook up the windows roll up feature? the window roll down is hooked up to aux 1, so I was thinking of doing roll up to aux 2...

just a thought...I may not even do it since it would be a safety hazard if i was to roll the windows up without being there to see it, but figured that I probably would NOT be leaving my car with the windows down...


oh and another thing i noticed...

when they were doing the window tinting, they disabled the switch i guess that makes the window drop a little bit when opening the door...

now when i got the car back, the window still drops a bit and goes back up but this time it's maybe about a centimetre...before it was a much larger drop...is this an issue? the installer said that it's because they disconnected it and once it's hooked back up the car has to learn it again or something? he said the other Zs he installed on did the same thing...

but is this something I can just leave alone? or would i have to get it adjusted? or just wait it out?

I haven't had a chance to test out the window roll down feature since they tinted it right after the install and I have to let the film settle in for 3-5 days...but hopefully it works fine, they said they tested it before tinting and not to worry...

 

This would probably depend on how many wires they ran into your door. If they ran the lock/unlock wires into the door (instead of running them to the BCM) then it shouldn't be a big deal to add the window up feature (they shouldn't even have to pull the door panel if this is the case). If they only ran 1 wire into the door for the window down, then they will have to run an additional wire through the doorjam which will make the job a lot longer...


I really don't know about the window adjustment as far as the small up/down go...but I'd be interested to see what you find out about it learning or being adjusted as mine actually go down less than you are describing (mine probably don't move down more than 1/2 cm if I had to guess).

 

l2iceman, hey man how much did they charge you for installation. Im getting this installed with the motion sensor tomorrow.

 

PM sent

 

update: so my tint cured and I rolled the windows down, and tested the aux window roll down feature on the viper, worked perfectly.

HOWEVER: when i went to roll the windows up by putting the key into the door and holding it to the right, the doors locked but the windows didn't roll up...

the installer told me he ran the wires for lock/unlock directly to the doors(or driver's side i guess? not sure didn't watch them install it, just peaked in a few times)...

anyway, so the window roll up doesn't work...is this something simple that the installer overlooked? I sent him a PM so i'm waiting on his response but just thought i'd get some advice first...

to add the window roll UP feature to the remote's 2nd aux, can it just simply be programmed by the installer? or is there more work to be done? like splicing wires to get the window roll up feature?

I don't really care for the window roll up feature on the remote, but I DO want it when i put the key in and turn it to the right...I haven't tested the left yet(rolling windows down with key in the door) since the install, so I'm hoping that isn't disabled either, cuz i'll be pretty pissed about that...lol

 

I'm not sure why that feature is disabled...unless your installer cut the wires coming from the key cylinder...

If he already ran the wire into the door for the door lock, he can just take another AUX output and send an extended pulse to that wire and your alarm will be able to roll the windows up.

KPierson actually suggested (in another thread) a nice way to use the same AUX output to roll the windows up or down (depending on whether or not you have just hit the UNLOCK button). Check it out HERE.

 

It sounds likes your "anti pinch" windows need reprogrammed. There is a procedure for this in the manual. If the system loses it's programming (from a battery disconnect or from disconnecting certain modules in the car) the key cylinder won't raise the windows and the "auto" function will quit working.

If the system can remotely lower the windows the installer HAD to run wires in to the drivers door. That means adding the "window up" feature would be simple.

 

ok, another update LOL
I should've posted this last night...

I did some more playing around, the window roll up/down feature WORKS when I put the key in and turn it, the thing is, when I use the VIPER remote to roll the windows DOWN, I can NOT roll back up by sticking the keys and turning to the right, I have to get inside and put the key into the ignition and roll the windows up with the inside controls...

other than that it all works lol I just had to play around...

so yea now I'm waiting a response to the installer asking if he can simply program the window roll UP feature on a secondary aux on the remote...or do it the one button way as in the link that properID put up there...thanks alot! I'm trying to research info on the viper 5901 remote to see if ic an simply program it to send the longer pulse to roll windows up...

 

It sounds like your output is set to "reset with ignition"

Basically, when you raise the windows I would bet the output is staying active until you turn the ignition on. If the BCM sees that you are trying to both lock and unlock the car at the same time it ignores the lock input (and therefore won't put the windows back up).

 

is it as simple as reprogramming the alarm? is there any disadvantage to having or NOT having reset with ignition? like when I'm lowering the windows, you said the output is staying active until the ignition is on, does that mean the car is continuously trying to lower the windows until it is reset? this wouldnt' damage the motor or wear it out right? since there is some sensor that tells the motor that the window is open fully?

 

Yes, if that is the issue it just needs to be reprogrammed to validity (active while button is pushed).

The advantage to not having it reset with ignition is that it will actually work correctly - there is no reason it should be set to that (and it may not be). There is absolutely no advantage to having a reset on ignition and I, personally, have never, ever, used that programming feature.

If the alarm is constantly trying to lower the windows it won't hurt the windows because the alarm is actually telling the BCM to lower the windows. The BCM knows when the windows are all the way down and will not try to keep lowering them.

 

oh ok...hmm and another issue i noticed...ever since the alarm was installed, when i auto-roll the passenger side window(from the inside with the actual window button in the car), when rolling down, after it rolls all the way down, it makes a noise like it's trying to roll down more...it does NOT do this when i just simply hold the button down manually until the window is all the way down...i'm assuming something is up with the auto-down? this is ONLY for the passenger side..the driver's side is fine...but yea it makes a noise...and when rolling up, once it's rolled all the way up, after a second i hear this noise like it's trying to raise it some more...it does NOT do this when holding the button down manually..but on "auto" roll up and down...

i'm assuming it's something in the BCM since it tells the windows when to stop?

I'm trying to see if these little things can be fixed by myself rather than having to drive all the way back to the shop and have them look at it...just kinda far and I wouldn't have time until next thursday...

 

You can try to reprogram the passenger window - but I wouldn't think that "issue" has anything to do with the alarm install.