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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 03:50 PM
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F2Cmadmax: The brand youre referring to is SPC. SPL on the other hand is high quality product.

^ You could get 2 alignments, but that could get pricey since youll have to get a full 4 wheel alignment every time you change out a rear part. I learned that one the hard way, thought Id be paying 20 bucks when I changed my toe arms but no, $120. That money could go towards the camber arms themselves.
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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From the start of the article, it looks like i need the front camber arm otherwise i'll have poor tyre wear.
I've also read that if i can find springs that keep it at or under .8 of an inch, then i don't need all this, but i've no idea what springs only drop it that far (other than unobtanium Nismos)

Unless i get expensive coil overs, i can't control that drop and i can't use the rods that guy makes

Trav - Yeah, i'm not familiar with either brand, but how does their toe bolt compare? by all accounts, everything slips
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by F2CMaDMaXX
From the start of the article, it looks like i need the front camber arm otherwise i'll have poor tyre wear.
I've also read that if i can find springs that keep it at or under .8 of an inch, then i don't need all this, but i've no idea what springs only drop it that far (other than unobtanium Nismos)
You've got three choices, that I know of, Hotchkis, Tein S-techs, and Tein H-techs.
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 08:24 AM
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You can just get the lockout washers for the toe bolt. They are designed to eliminate the slip of the eccentric washer by replacing it. For springs, there are several that offer less than an inch drop. ARK, Swift Spec-R, RSR, etc.
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 10:44 AM
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The Tein S-Techs look interesting. I think the H-techs would be a reasonable choice if your stock springs were shot.

As a side note, i'd like to confirm what i currently have on the car, it does seem to be about a half inch drop all the way round, but that could be just just 70k mile sag?
Do we know what stickers/branding is on the stock stuff?


Allstar, i thought the lockout bolts could only be used with adjustable arms?

As for the <1inch drop springs, i know Tein are good, how are the others rated?
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by F2CMaDMaXX
From the start of the article, it looks like i need the front camber arm otherwise i'll have poor tyre wear.
I've also read that if i can find springs that keep it at or under .8 of an inch, then i don't need all this, but i've no idea what springs only drop it that far (other than unobtanium Nismos)

Unless i get expensive coil overs, i can't control that drop and i can't use the rods that guy makes

Trav - Yeah, i'm not familiar with either brand, but how does their toe bolt compare? by all accounts, everything slips
did you just breeze over my post??
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dkmesa350z
did you just breeze over my post??
No, sorry, i did refer to it, the toe bolt? from what i can see, i need coil overs to use it.
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by F2CMaDMaXX
Allstar, i thought the lockout bolts could only be used with adjustable arms?
I'm sorry, I misspoke. You're correct, you want lockout washers with adjustable toe arms. You want the SPC toe bolts with factory spring bucket. It gives you more room for adjustment. What do you mean by the SPC bolt being "crap and slips"?
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 06:23 PM
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I was referring to the OP's comments a little way after the lowering spring section. It seems he was having a lot of trouble and came to the conclusion that the stock bolt and even more so, the 3 degree bolts, slip when pushed hard enough.
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 06:24 PM
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OP Jason clowns on em page 1.

I dont think theyd slip much unless youre racing like he does.
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 06:39 PM
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Whilst true, i don't fancy having anything that slips more than stock.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dkmesa350z
1) Less than an 1.5" drop, you are probably okay without front camber arms. Less than 0.75" rear, you are probably okay also. Any more and you'll want rear camber arms. What I did was lower my Z and get an alignment. When the rear couldn't be aligned within specs, I purchased rear camber arms and installed a couple weeks later and got realigned.

2) http://www.350zhatchshocksandmore.co...%20Washers.htm
Weird, because my Z is dropped on Tein S-Tech, -0.7" front and -0.6" rear. My Fronts cannot get within alignment specs camber wise, but my rears are ok. But then again, -1.8 degrees camber on fronts are still good ya?
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Old May 1, 2012 | 08:58 AM
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I'm on the edge of oem camber specs on stock springs and shocks. Ive got S-techs to go in but Spl camber arms as well. Just waiting to buy koni dampers before it all goes in.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Deteria
Weird, because my Z is dropped on Tein S-Tech, -0.7" front and -0.6" rear. My Fronts cannot get within alignment specs camber wise, but my rears are ok. But then again, -1.8 degrees camber on fronts are still good ya?
If you run canyons , play , auto cross or road course, just fine. If you drive to work and back, I would get front arms.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 01:54 PM
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my rear toe seems to always move around after 6-10 months of driving. is there anyway i can lock it in place without purchasing the SPL midlinks with lockout bolts? is there a cheaper option? my rear right now is with the SPC rear camber arm
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The only other option is to run a true style coilover in the rear and use a toe arm + lockout washer, but this would cost more than the spl links.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ac419
my rear toe seems to always move around after 6-10 months of driving. is there anyway i can lock it in place without purchasing the SPL midlinks with lockout bolts? is there a cheaper option? my rear right now is with the SPC rear camber arm
do you have lockout washers? that should keep toe in place. you dont need toe arms or midlink to prevent toe from slipping
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Old May 1, 2012 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by xxxlino
do you have lockout washers? that should keep toe in place. you dont need toe arms or midlink to prevent toe from slipping
Ok so to be clear, youre saying no toe arm and no midlink is needed, just throw some lockout washers on the spring bucket. Sure it wont slip, but I am very curious as to how you do your alignments.
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toe bolts + lockout washers should keep toe in place
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Originally Posted by xxxlino
do you have lockout washers? that should keep toe in place. you dont need toe arms or midlink to prevent toe from slipping
Please don't try to help. Leave suspension to people who know what they're talking about.
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