Mobil 1 Oil Users - Motor oil discussion thread
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Originally Posted by Toad's_Z
I use M1 and im glad i seen this thread...would you also recommend not using the mobil 1 oil filter. if not what recommendation for oil filter..also how easy is it to obtain some Amsoil, or royal purple...i haven't seen them in a regular auto store. thanks
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Walmart carrys Royal Purple now. Good oil but I would not use longer than 5-6k. Use Amsoil for extended drains with confidence. Amsoil also has esters in it like Motul but is not straight esters, it's a PAO/Ester mix which is the best for daily drivers in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Toad's_Z
I use M1 and im glad i seen this thread...would you also recommend not using the mobil 1 oil filter. if not what recommendation for oil filter..also how easy is it to obtain some Amsoil, or royal purple...i haven't seen them in a regular auto store. thanks
https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/Se...x?CategoryID=9
ATM01 12-quarts for 85.80 or 1-quart for $7.15
ATM04 4-gallans for $110.80 or 1-quarts for $6.93
This doesn't include S&H+TX... but if you become a member, you can get it for less
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Originally Posted by Zquicksilver
I just may go to the source, lol. Unless I can find it for less...
https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/Se...x?CategoryID=9
ATM01 12-quarts for 85.80 or 1-quart for $7.15
ATM04 4-gallans for $110.80 or 1-quarts for $6.93
This doesn't include S&H+TX... but if you become a member, you can get it for less
They offer a 6 month trial for $10 and a year for $20, it pays for itself if you buy $100 or more. Very easy to do... I've been avg. 20k a year
I say buy oil for a friend or two and split the memb costs.
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https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/Se...x?CategoryID=9
ATM01 12-quarts for 85.80 or 1-quart for $7.15
ATM04 4-gallans for $110.80 or 1-quarts for $6.93
This doesn't include S&H+TX... but if you become a member, you can get it for less
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Wow everyone is running scared because of a baseless claim that still has yet to be proven/disproven? I remember this exact same topic came up somewhere around 2001/2002 when I was on Honda Prelude boards. Same claim then that M1 changed to inferior oil...but everyone keeps saying "up until recently...great oil."
My Blackstone report showed better numbers on M1 after 7500 than the average VQ showed at 3,000 interval. I'll be sending in a sample at 10,000 fairly soon and will decide if I need to upgrade based on that.
Until someone puts forth any sort of proof I don't see much point for everyone to jump ship due to a random post on a website, but maybe I just missed the part where someone posted a factual basis for this thread.
My Blackstone report showed better numbers on M1 after 7500 than the average VQ showed at 3,000 interval. I'll be sending in a sample at 10,000 fairly soon and will decide if I need to upgrade based on that.
Until someone puts forth any sort of proof I don't see much point for everyone to jump ship due to a random post on a website, but maybe I just missed the part where someone posted a factual basis for this thread.
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Originally Posted by lightner22
Wow everyone is running scared because of a baseless claim that still has yet to be proven/disproven? I remember this exact same topic came up somewhere around 2001/2002 when I was on Honda Prelude boards. Same claim then that M1 changed to inferior oil...but everyone keeps saying "up until recently...great oil."
My Blackstone report showed better numbers on M1 after 7500 than the average VQ showed at 3,000 interval. I'll be sending in a sample at 10,000 fairly soon and will decide if I need to upgrade based on that.
Until someone puts forth any sort of proof I don't see much point for everyone to jump ship due to a random post on a website, but maybe I just missed the part where someone posted a factual basis for this thread.
My Blackstone report showed better numbers on M1 after 7500 than the average VQ showed at 3,000 interval. I'll be sending in a sample at 10,000 fairly soon and will decide if I need to upgrade based on that.
Until someone puts forth any sort of proof I don't see much point for everyone to jump ship due to a random post on a website, but maybe I just missed the part where someone posted a factual basis for this thread.
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Originally Posted by IP05G35
Hey, if Mobil 1 works for you there is no reason to switch. It's still a good oil but Mobil 1 always took pride in being the only Group IV synthetic on the shelves and now all of a sudden they switch, if you are going to be paying synthetic group iv/v prices, you should be getting group iv/v oil!
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Originally Posted by anotheraznguy
so what is wrong with group 5 esthers such as the motul chrono?
My opinion is nothing is wrong with esthers for track and heavy use, but not for a daily commuter car. It might do great in the Z, but no one really knows without an analysis. The brand name alone, nor it being a Group V base stock, doesn't justify the higher cost in my mind. There have been several UOA's to show more accelerated wear on engines compared to PAO oils. The general thought is that some esthers don't do so well to protect the engine for cold starts, at least not as well as most PAO's. They seem to excel for track use and other hard conditions. However, I have not seen an analysis posted by anyone using Motul, Redline, Silkolene, etc.. in their VQ. Maybe the clearances in the VQ do well with an esther, maybe not. Maybe the pressure builds high enough when cold to work well with esthers, maybe not. I have not seen it do so well in other engines to justify the cost or hassle of not having any local supply. I just see people posting about how awesome it is with nothing to really back it up.
If you have a UOA of it though, by all means, please post it when you get the chance. I'd love to see how it compares to the M1 sheet posted earlier. Or any other oil analysis we can gather.
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Originally Posted by IP05G35
Hey, if Mobil 1 works for you there is no reason to switch. It's still a good oil but Mobil 1 always took pride in being the only Group IV synthetic on the shelves and now all of a sudden they switch, if you are going to be paying synthetic group iv/v prices, you should be getting group iv/v oil!
I have no interest in trying to change people's minds or increasing my post count...I just want to see solid proof that what I'm using (and have had tested by labs) is no longer good oil. Someone yelling "the sky is falling" isn't enough for me.
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I'll step up on an M1 and GC UAO. I have M1 in now, I forget the type but I have it written down at home, 5k change in 2k, maybe 3 weeks from now. I'll do a UAO and share the info. Then I will put in the GC, 5k later I'll do another UAO. Then just to be sure the M1 was flushed from the first time I'll do another GC UAO. I put a lot of miles on my car, 18k since September, I do 5k oil chages every 1.5 months. Honestly, Im sure both oils provide great protection.
I have a large spread sheet from a few years back that has MANY UAOs for Maximas with VQ30s as you guys know the bottom end of the VQ30 and VQ35 are just about the same except for the bore and stroke, the bearings, main and rod, are the exact same parts. The spreadsheet has many oil types, and some other cars and even ATF. I dont have a way to host it but would be glad to share it with some one who can, pm me your e-mail and I'll send it.
I have a large spread sheet from a few years back that has MANY UAOs for Maximas with VQ30s as you guys know the bottom end of the VQ30 and VQ35 are just about the same except for the bore and stroke, the bearings, main and rod, are the exact same parts. The spreadsheet has many oil types, and some other cars and even ATF. I dont have a way to host it but would be glad to share it with some one who can, pm me your e-mail and I'll send it.
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If everyone else is using an advanced Group III in their synthetic oils and getting away with it, why wouldn't Mobil-1? My contribution to this thread, my opinion, was I'm not paying for unknowns... its that simple. If I have to pay 63 cents more per quart for a synthetic that states it uses a Group IV in its base, I'll gladly pay ![Smilie](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
I'll step up on an M1 and GC UAO. I have M1 in now, I forget the type but I have it written down at home, 5k change in 2k, maybe 3 weeks from now. I'll do a UAO and share the info. Then I will put in the GC, 5k later I'll do another UAO. Then just to be sure the M1 was flushed from the first time I'll do another GC UAO. I put a lot of miles on my car, 18k since September, I do 5k oil chages every 1.5 months. Honestly, Im sure both oils provide great protection.
I have a large spread sheet from a few years back that has MANY UAOs for Maximas with VQ30s as you guys know the bottom end of the VQ30 and VQ35 are just about the same except for the bore and stroke, the bearings, main and rod, are the exact same parts. The spreadsheet has many oil types, and some other cars and even ATF. I dont have a way to host it but would be glad to share it with some one who can, pm me your e-mail and I'll send it.
I have a large spread sheet from a few years back that has MANY UAOs for Maximas with VQ30s as you guys know the bottom end of the VQ30 and VQ35 are just about the same except for the bore and stroke, the bearings, main and rod, are the exact same parts. The spreadsheet has many oil types, and some other cars and even ATF. I dont have a way to host it but would be glad to share it with some one who can, pm me your e-mail and I'll send it.
I just drained my M1 and put in a new batch of 0W-40 SS Mobil 1. I'll send it off to Blackstone in 3k and post the results.
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Originally Posted by IP05G35
Just curious, how did you decide on the ATM instead of the ASL?
http://www.synthetic-motor-oil-chang...g-competitors/
I would do ATM in the summer and ASL in the winter.
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Big thanks goes to MardiGrasMax for the spreadsheet he sent me. There are about 30 VQ engine UOA's on it, with many different brands used. I'm thinking of taking all the VQ data and putting it in seperate tables by brand. Then posting the tables on here as jpg's. That's the best idea I've got, anyhow. But it's also one a.m. and I'm tired. Any better ideas before I start copying data? Let me know, otherwise I'll just get it done this weekend and post the results. I think people will be surprised with the data.
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