Graffkid732: Voltex Kit, Stroked 3.4L GT47-88 2jz Getrag 6 Speed 350z build
05-17-2013, 11:28 AM
#141
Registered User
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Cali
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
05-17-2013, 05:43 PM
#143
I'm also looking into the SP Manifolds because they offer them in a few variations.
Once I get in from zdayz I'm going to order the engine mount bolts and then bolt the engine and trans up. From there I have a lot of measuring to do for the turbo manifold, fuel lines, trans mount bracket, shifter bracket, drive shaft, intake / exhaust plumbing as well as radiator and fans.
05-21-2013, 04:27 PM
#144
Registered User
I still love this build! My motor is finally inbound from Wisconsin. I am using the CD009 transmission though with the adapter play swap1uz makes. can't wait to start my build!! were you ever able to get any pictures of your motor mounts?
Also Status007, if given the same amount of money to spend on each build, you have much more potential and can push more power reliably with a 2JZ..
Also Status007, if given the same amount of money to spend on each build, you have much more potential and can push more power reliably with a 2JZ..
05-21-2013, 05:37 PM
#145
I still love this build! My motor is finally inbound from Wisconsin. I am using the CD009 transmission though with the adapter play swap1uz makes. can't wait to start my build!! were you ever able to get any pictures of your motor mounts?
Also Status007, if given the same amount of money to spend on each build, you have much more potential and can push more power reliably with a 2JZ..
Also Status007, if given the same amount of money to spend on each build, you have much more potential and can push more power reliably with a 2JZ..
Nice good luck with it, if ya have any questions post them up and I'll help the best I can. Yes, I haven't been in the garage lately, but I will in fact send you pics.
05-21-2013, 05:41 PM
#146
Registered User
thanks for sending them to me man! and thanks for in advance for the future advice, I am going NA-T. I am getting 2 2JZ-GE's one to swap in the car to get her running and one to build. but again, thank you for sending the pictures, will be great help!!
06-22-2013, 10:41 AM
#147
So what is the update on this legendary build that could have been easily rivaled if not surpassed by the VQ? Not to mention the VQ being 300hp N/A out the showroom would be a lot more reliable and less problematic. Only reason I see this swap is for personal accomplishment.. Must be nice when daddy cuts the checks for you lol. Be honest, is this your daddy's car with the promise that you can drive it on special occasions under supervision?
I can't believe you had the audacity to come on my thread trying to G check me when you have to ask daddy's permission first lol... Weak
Good luck with your build though looks sweet, hypertune is pure sex your spending the rents money well..
I can't believe you had the audacity to come on my thread trying to G check me when you have to ask daddy's permission first lol... Weak
Good luck with your build though looks sweet, hypertune is pure sex your spending the rents money well..
That manifold is one of the best looking engine parts that I have ever seen in my life
06-22-2013, 10:54 AM
#148
The problem with the RB26 is that you need more money and work done to make big power.
I would love to get the RB26 instead of the 2JZ, but I don't have the money or patience to maintain the RB26 at this moment.
06-22-2013, 01:28 PM
#149
lol not sure what dyno your looking at, 3k rpm rb26-120 hp, vq35de-125, 4k rb26-160 hp, vq35-175hp, it dosnt actually match the vq35 until right around 5k when both are making 225 hp. dynos differ sure but just comparing a stock rb26 dyno(i assure you they are difficult to find) to a stock vq35de dyno you can see the vq has a much much flatter power band and torque curve as well.
thats with stock turbos that are optimized for the stock displacement, you get bigger turbos and the rb26 just goes to ****, example precision 6765 dbb, 4k rb26-225 hp, vq35de-300 hp, 5k rb26-255 hp, vq35de-550 hp. the rb26 has to really extend its rpm band to get the same power and it has a much smaller power band. its simply a fact due to the displacement, just like a lsx v8 will have a much larger powerband then the vq35de. the most you can hope for is to get close by perfectly optimizing the turbo sizes but as soon as you want more power your loosing powerband size.
if someone wants to do the engine swap thats on them but they wont be making a more reliable or better combination. as far as the rb having a better power band then the 2jz iirc(i could be wrong on this) the 2jz stock turbos will handle more power stock then the rb26 ones, so that kinda nulls that since equal turbos would make a worse powerband on the rb26(again could be wrong there) if you insist on doing the rb it should be a rb30, or better yet get a tb48.
so for going off topic graff, you build is pretty awesome all the high quality parts. cant deny that even if it isnt for me lol
thats with stock turbos that are optimized for the stock displacement, you get bigger turbos and the rb26 just goes to ****, example precision 6765 dbb, 4k rb26-225 hp, vq35de-300 hp, 5k rb26-255 hp, vq35de-550 hp. the rb26 has to really extend its rpm band to get the same power and it has a much smaller power band. its simply a fact due to the displacement, just like a lsx v8 will have a much larger powerband then the vq35de. the most you can hope for is to get close by perfectly optimizing the turbo sizes but as soon as you want more power your loosing powerband size.
if someone wants to do the engine swap thats on them but they wont be making a more reliable or better combination. as far as the rb having a better power band then the 2jz iirc(i could be wrong on this) the 2jz stock turbos will handle more power stock then the rb26 ones, so that kinda nulls that since equal turbos would make a worse powerband on the rb26(again could be wrong there) if you insist on doing the rb it should be a rb30, or better yet get a tb48.
so for going off topic graff, you build is pretty awesome all the high quality parts. cant deny that even if it isnt for me lol
Acutely, the RB26 has a better power band compared to the 2JZ even with that the 2JZ has more displacement.
The problem with the RB26 is that you need more money and work done to make big power.
I would love to get the RB26 instead of the 2JZ, but I don't have the money or patience to maintain the RB26 at this moment.
The problem with the RB26 is that you need more money and work done to make big power.
I would love to get the RB26 instead of the 2JZ, but I don't have the money or patience to maintain the RB26 at this moment.
06-22-2013, 02:07 PM
#150
lol not sure what dyno your looking at, 3k rpm rb26-120 hp, vq35de-125, 4k rb26-160 hp, vq35-175hp, it dosnt actually match the vq35 until right around 5k when both are making 225 hp. dynos differ sure but just comparing a stock rb26 dyno(i assure you they are difficult to find) to a stock vq35de dyno you can see the vq has a much much flatter power band and torque curve as well.
thats with stock turbos that are optimized for the stock displacement, you get bigger turbos and the rb26 just goes to ****, example precision 6765 dbb, 4k rb26-225 hp, vq35de-300 hp, 5k rb26-255 hp, vq35de-550 hp. the rb26 has to really extend its rpm band to get the same power and it has a much smaller power band. its simply a fact due to the displacement, just like a lsx v8 will have a much larger powerband then the vq35de. the most you can hope for is to get close by perfectly optimizing the turbo sizes but as soon as you want more power your loosing powerband size.
if someone wants to do the engine swap thats on them but they wont be making a more reliable or better combination. as far as the rb having a better power band then the 2jz iirc(i could be wrong on this) the 2jz stock turbos will handle more power stock then the rb26 ones, so that kinda nulls that since equal turbos would make a worse powerband on the rb26(again could be wrong there) if you insist on doing the rb it should be a rb30, or better yet get a tb48.
so for going off topic graff, you build is pretty awesome all the high quality parts. cant deny that even if it isnt for me lol
thats with stock turbos that are optimized for the stock displacement, you get bigger turbos and the rb26 just goes to ****, example precision 6765 dbb, 4k rb26-225 hp, vq35de-300 hp, 5k rb26-255 hp, vq35de-550 hp. the rb26 has to really extend its rpm band to get the same power and it has a much smaller power band. its simply a fact due to the displacement, just like a lsx v8 will have a much larger powerband then the vq35de. the most you can hope for is to get close by perfectly optimizing the turbo sizes but as soon as you want more power your loosing powerband size.
if someone wants to do the engine swap thats on them but they wont be making a more reliable or better combination. as far as the rb having a better power band then the 2jz iirc(i could be wrong on this) the 2jz stock turbos will handle more power stock then the rb26 ones, so that kinda nulls that since equal turbos would make a worse powerband on the rb26(again could be wrong there) if you insist on doing the rb it should be a rb30, or better yet get a tb48.
so for going off topic graff, you build is pretty awesome all the high quality parts. cant deny that even if it isnt for me lol
Speechless
. Also, I didn't said anything about the VQ power band in my post!!!!
The RB26 uses smaller ceramic turbos just like the JDM 2JZ. They are weak and get detached after certain boost level. That's why it would put down lower numbers with worse bower band than the USDM 2JZ. You can't compare apples to oranges.
06-22-2013, 03:35 PM
#151
so its ok for you to compare apples to oranges but not me? shut the **** up seriously, if your going to ****ing make a comment dont be trying to claim stupid **** when your wrong like "well i ment this model!" you made a ignorant comment and you have posted before on here how you pay people to do your work so until you understand how **** works yourself again stfu. sick of stupid asses that really dont know **** other then what shop xyz tells them commenting like they know from first hand experience.
fact of the matter is you did not have a single shred of any facts you simpy made a comment about what you think and you where outright wrong. want to compare stock rb26 to stock 2jz? fine but its even worse and makes you look even more retarded since the 2jz has alot more displacement plus turbos vs the vq just having alot more displacement. 3k rb26-120hp, 2jz-160hp, 4k rb26-160hp, 2jz-240 hp, the rb26 has to rev out to 6800 to hit its peak match the 2jz peak at 5600, again the 2jz has a much flatter power and troque curve then the rb26. the rb26 makes 90% of its peak power for only 1300 rpm in stock trim, the 2jz makes 90% of its peak power for 2000 rpm.
move on, suck it up and quit spouting ********, that you obviously have no real clue on.
oh yah thats not even touching the fact the stock rb26 turbos max out arond 450 to the wheels and wont last long at that power because of the ceramic wheels,yet the 2jz can handle that without too much trouble or longevity issues, and can be turned up even higher if the owner dosnt mine the decreased turbo life. why? because the turbos are bigger and a bigger displacement. the rb26 is too damn small of a engine
fact of the matter is you did not have a single shred of any facts you simpy made a comment about what you think and you where outright wrong. want to compare stock rb26 to stock 2jz? fine but its even worse and makes you look even more retarded since the 2jz has alot more displacement plus turbos vs the vq just having alot more displacement. 3k rb26-120hp, 2jz-160hp, 4k rb26-160hp, 2jz-240 hp, the rb26 has to rev out to 6800 to hit its peak match the 2jz peak at 5600, again the 2jz has a much flatter power and troque curve then the rb26. the rb26 makes 90% of its peak power for only 1300 rpm in stock trim, the 2jz makes 90% of its peak power for 2000 rpm.
move on, suck it up and quit spouting ********, that you obviously have no real clue on.
oh yah thats not even touching the fact the stock rb26 turbos max out arond 450 to the wheels and wont last long at that power because of the ceramic wheels,yet the 2jz can handle that without too much trouble or longevity issues, and can be turned up even higher if the owner dosnt mine the decreased turbo life. why? because the turbos are bigger and a bigger displacement. the rb26 is too damn small of a engine
Speechless .
Also, I didn't said anything about the VQ power band in my post!!!!
The RB26 uses smaller ceramic turbos just like the JDM 2JZ. They are weak and get detached after certain boost level. That's why it would put down lower numbers with worse bower band than the USDM 2JZ. You can't compare apples to oranges.
. Also, I didn't said anything about the VQ power band in my post!!!!
The RB26 uses smaller ceramic turbos just like the JDM 2JZ. They are weak and get detached after certain boost level. That's why it would put down lower numbers with worse bower band than the USDM 2JZ. You can't compare apples to oranges.
Last edited by jerryd87; 06-22-2013 at 03:40 PM.
06-22-2013, 05:21 PM
#152
so its ok for you to compare apples to oranges but not me? shut the **** up seriously, if your going to ****ing make a comment dont be trying to claim stupid **** when your wrong like "well i ment this model!" you made a ignorant comment and you have posted before on here how you pay people to do your work so until you understand how **** works yourself again stfu. sick of stupid asses that really dont know **** other then what shop xyz tells them commenting like they know from first hand experience.
fact of the matter is you did not have a single shred of any facts you simpy made a comment about what you think and you where outright wrong. want to compare stock rb26 to stock 2jz? fine but its even worse and makes you look even more retarded since the 2jz has alot more displacement plus turbos vs the vq just having alot more displacement. 3k rb26-120hp, 2jz-160hp, 4k rb26-160hp, 2jz-240 hp, the rb26 has to rev out to 6800 to hit its peak match the 2jz peak at 5600, again the 2jz has a much flatter power and troque curve then the rb26. the rb26 makes 90% of its peak power for only 1300 rpm in stock trim, the 2jz makes 90% of its peak power for 2000 rpm.
move on, suck it up and quit spouting ********, that you obviously have no real clue on.
oh yah thats not even touching the fact the stock rb26 turbos max out arond 450 to the wheels and wont last long at that power because of the ceramic wheels,yet the 2jz can handle that without too much trouble or longevity issues, and can be turned up even higher if the owner dosnt mine the decreased turbo life. why? because the turbos are bigger and a bigger displacement. the rb26 is too damn small of a engine
fact of the matter is you did not have a single shred of any facts you simpy made a comment about what you think and you where outright wrong. want to compare stock rb26 to stock 2jz? fine but its even worse and makes you look even more retarded since the 2jz has alot more displacement plus turbos vs the vq just having alot more displacement. 3k rb26-120hp, 2jz-160hp, 4k rb26-160hp, 2jz-240 hp, the rb26 has to rev out to 6800 to hit its peak match the 2jz peak at 5600, again the 2jz has a much flatter power and troque curve then the rb26. the rb26 makes 90% of its peak power for only 1300 rpm in stock trim, the 2jz makes 90% of its peak power for 2000 rpm.
move on, suck it up and quit spouting ********, that you obviously have no real clue on.
oh yah thats not even touching the fact the stock rb26 turbos max out arond 450 to the wheels and wont last long at that power because of the ceramic wheels,yet the 2jz can handle that without too much trouble or longevity issues, and can be turned up even higher if the owner dosnt mine the decreased turbo life. why? because the turbos are bigger and a bigger displacement. the rb26 is too damn small of a engine
Second, who the **** are you to judge me!! I don't even live in the US!! so how the hell you know that I pay for shops to do my work!!! I have chosen all of my parts and done all of the work on my car with the help of my mechanic friend in his backyard.
When I compared the power band between the 2JZ and Rb26 I was talking about them when they are build with bigger turbos.
To show how ignorant are you, you are only know/talk about the USDM 2jz turbos, which are bigger and made of steel. You have no idea that the rest of the world only has the ceramic ones. So, stock to stock they will put down close numbers.
I'm sorry graffkid732.
06-22-2013, 05:51 PM
#153
for the first part should we begin grabbing dynos? your its only becomes worse and worse the larger the turbo, in fact the people who actually OWN cars with rb26's in them comment about how the car is no longer streetable with anything larger then a 67mm turbo on it. your just showing you know less and less since with a 6765 on both motors the dynos show around 150 hp at 4k on a built rb26 yet 320 at the same point on a 2jz, both make similar peak while the rb26 is still only retaining 90% of its peak power for 1300 rpms yet the 2jz with a built head has grown to holding 90% of its peak power for 3000 rpms
for the second part you yourself, you have made numerous comments on previous posts about how you cant go one route or another because the shops in your area cant do it, "with my mechanic friend" means he is the one doing the actual work and your just a helper to hold something in place, fetch a tool, or do exactly as he tells you.
to show how ignorant YOU are the usdm turbos dont flow one single bit more of air, the only advantage usdm turbos have is steel shafts and blades, and they spool SLOWER then the jdm counterparts, anything except jdm will have steel shafts and blades. the jdm turbos will support more power because they are larger then the rb26 conterparts and they have less boost for the same power level meaning less stress on the wheels. my references to power numbers where to the jdm turbos, and dynos of the jdm engines, the only turbos which flow more are the ct20 turbos which are found on only the aristo so again stfu because you have no idea what your talking about.
stupid bs like yours is why people need to be shot when they try to make comments about **** when they really have no clue what they are talking about. watching your buddy work on your car dosnt mean you know what your doing. frankly its beyond annoying when i pop on to see if anything good updated and 90% of the time its checkbook mechanics making stupid *** comments. i you have to pay or get someone to help you in order to build a car then fine w/e i think its dumb because its not anything that is impossible to learn but it dosnt matter just dont make comments like you actually know what your doing. especially when that something is trying to convince a group of people who actually know how engines work that a smaller displacement engine can match the powerband of a larger one when using turbochargers. it dosnt happen period, and defies the laws of physics, thermodynamics, and fluidynamics
for the second part you yourself, you have made numerous comments on previous posts about how you cant go one route or another because the shops in your area cant do it, "with my mechanic friend" means he is the one doing the actual work and your just a helper to hold something in place, fetch a tool, or do exactly as he tells you.
to show how ignorant YOU are the usdm turbos dont flow one single bit more of air, the only advantage usdm turbos have is steel shafts and blades, and they spool SLOWER then the jdm counterparts, anything except jdm will have steel shafts and blades. the jdm turbos will support more power because they are larger then the rb26 conterparts and they have less boost for the same power level meaning less stress on the wheels. my references to power numbers where to the jdm turbos, and dynos of the jdm engines, the only turbos which flow more are the ct20 turbos which are found on only the aristo so again stfu because you have no idea what your talking about.
stupid bs like yours is why people need to be shot when they try to make comments about **** when they really have no clue what they are talking about. watching your buddy work on your car dosnt mean you know what your doing. frankly its beyond annoying when i pop on to see if anything good updated and 90% of the time its checkbook mechanics making stupid *** comments. i you have to pay or get someone to help you in order to build a car then fine w/e i think its dumb because its not anything that is impossible to learn but it dosnt matter just dont make comments like you actually know what your doing. especially when that something is trying to convince a group of people who actually know how engines work that a smaller displacement engine can match the powerband of a larger one when using turbochargers. it dosnt happen period, and defies the laws of physics, thermodynamics, and fluidynamics
First off, I didn't say anything about comparing stock engines. who the **** compares stock engines power band when swapping engine and going for big power.
Second, who the **** are you to judge me!! I don't even live in the US!! so how the hell you know that I pay for shops to do my work!!! I have chosen all of my parts and done all of the work on my car with the help of my mechanic friend in his backyard.
When I compared the power band between the 2JZ and Rb26 I was talking about them when they are build with bigger turbos.
To show how ignorant are you, you are only know/talk about the USDM 2jz turbos, which are bigger and made of steel. You have no idea that the rest of the world only has the ceramic ones. So, stock to stock they will put down close numbers.
I'm sorry graffkid732.
Second, who the **** are you to judge me!! I don't even live in the US!! so how the hell you know that I pay for shops to do my work!!! I have chosen all of my parts and done all of the work on my car with the help of my mechanic friend in his backyard.
When I compared the power band between the 2JZ and Rb26 I was talking about them when they are build with bigger turbos.
To show how ignorant are you, you are only know/talk about the USDM 2jz turbos, which are bigger and made of steel. You have no idea that the rest of the world only has the ceramic ones. So, stock to stock they will put down close numbers.
I'm sorry graffkid732.
Last edited by jerryd87; 06-22-2013 at 06:24 PM.
06-22-2013, 08:26 PM
#154
Guys updating this for me thanks. Haha.
I actually lost motivation for some time, but ordered my ECU last week and will update as soon as it comes in. All I can say is, it's something out of the ordinary and as far as I know, the only one to exist.
Will post pics and specs upon arrival.
I actually lost motivation for some time, but ordered my ECU last week and will update as soon as it comes in. All I can say is, it's something out of the ordinary and as far as I know, the only one to exist.
Will post pics and specs upon arrival.
07-07-2013, 09:44 AM
#155
Finally arrived after almost a month of waiting. Custom Haltech Platinum Pro ECU. 350z/Z33 ECU programmed for a 350z AND a 2JZ. HUGE shout out to Hal at Dynosty and Haltech for doing this for me. This is not an off the shelf item and I was told they do not do these kind of requests often at all. This means I will have a NON VQ 350z with all factory/OEM functions working, including the Tach.
Also picked up their Haltech 4 bar MAP sensor, Haltech boost controller, Dynosty flex fuel sensor with fittings, and Haltech dual channel wideband controller.
Starting to get that motivation back, should have more updates soon as I collect the last of the stuff needed to get the engine in and running.
Also picked up their Haltech 4 bar MAP sensor, Haltech boost controller, Dynosty flex fuel sensor with fittings, and Haltech dual channel wideband controller.
Starting to get that motivation back, should have more updates soon as I collect the last of the stuff needed to get the engine in and running.
Last edited by graffkid732; 07-07-2013 at 09:46 AM.
