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Old Apr 18, 2006 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nateg35
Put it this way...they're the only kit that offer engine warranty & also customer can go to certain dealership to have it installed.....I do believe that this kit has to be proven its reliability in order for them to go this far
Yes, but you realize that warranty goes out the window when you put on the stage 3 and 4 kits. Oh wait, these happen to be the only versions of this kit that will get you past 300whp. And, by the way, for the SMALL amount of people that have gone with the Stillen stage 4 kit, I've read of at least 2 that have already blown their motors on it. Reliable indeed...

And, I've had no heat issues on my car whatsoever. The heat problem on the Turbonetics kit is vastly overstated from everyone who hates on the kit. I decided to go with fully wrapped piping and coated exhaust manifolds, and also a nice vented hood. The turbo heat is almost unperceivable after these few mods.
Old Apr 18, 2006 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Yes, but you realize that warranty goes out the window when you put on the stage 3 and 4 kits. Oh wait, these happen to be the only versions of this kit that will get you past 300whp. And, by the way, for the SMALL amount of people that have gone with the Stillen stage 4 kit, I've read of at least 2 that have already blown their motors on it. Reliable indeed...

And, I've had no heat issues on my car whatsoever. The heat problem on the Turbonetics kit is vastly overstated from everyone who hates on the kit. I decided to go with fully wrapped piping and coated exhaust manifolds, and also a nice vented hood. The turbo heat is almost unperceivable after these few mods.
yes I do...but again, you missed my points and no I didn't know about the 2 person whom blown their engines on stage4....what happens? did they have to build the new ones?
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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i think that any form of FI on a 350z is pretty sweet, heck even NA form they are awesome cars. I got to ride in a couple stillen z's and g's and its definitely nice, even if it doesnt put down the MOST power. A lot of dealerships do install these kits and for a lot of people, it is reassuring. To me, a stillen charged z is respectable.

Hope you get things worked out
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nateg35
yes I do...but again, you missed my points and no I didn't know about the 2 person whom blown their engines on stage4....what happens? did they have to build the new ones?
One guy blew his motor and ended up going built with a JWT TT. The other guy, well, not really sure what he ended up doing off hand.
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by taurran
One guy blew his motor and ended up going built with a JWT TT. The other guy, well, not really sure what he ended up doing off hand.
Legend has it that he was last seen wandering into the sunset with a rod in one hand and piston in the other...

seemed to be muttering something about built blocks...
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by thawk408
Do you live in Lebanon TN? Was your car at Bradshaws collision awhile back? If so I will be glad to meet up and give you a run in my bolton NA Z.
too bad i live in Beirut Lebanon very far. and it is not what Alberto said that i beat a F355 because the guy can't drive , it was an open road , no traffic and my car was clearly faster.I trashed cars like evo and STI and M3 many times also on open roads. i don't care what some think, i have my car and tried it it is enough proof for me. and 1/4 mile ? wish i was close enough , to show that i will be below 12.5. About reliability: i had the Stillen for a year now and race almost 2-3 times a week. no problems at all. Anyways check out some sites , some professional road tests, and you will see that Stillen stage 1 puts around 300hp. and stage 2 did 4.6 0-60, and these are from serious sources.
if people are not getting enough power with this kit , it is because they did not install it right or their car is originally messed up.
sorry guys but iam not trying to argue for the sake of it, but i tried my car and i know how it performs.
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sentry65
My NA Z had a 50+whp gain and lost weight, while a stillen stage 2 gives you about the same power gain and gains weight
with stage 4 , i get at least 120whp extra on the wheels, there is no freaking way that a NA Z can beat that not even close. i play with NA modified Z,s as if they were Micras
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 04:39 AM
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allright guys,this thread was started because he has a problem.why in the hell did this turn into a bashing.help him with the problem,i think thats what he was hoping for,and true i have a stage 3 with 17,000 miles on it and i know i'll get spanked running a turbo z(alberto allready did that at the track)but thats not why i bought the kit.back when i did mine the only kits out there were ati(which blew 4 or more motors when it was 1st out)vortech,which i like just dont like the chatter at idle,and greddy which was having problems.if turbonetics was avali at the time i would have gone that way.stillen is great around town for which most of my driving is and i still like it.all kits have there ups and downs and i like them all,but i still think fi is fi and be happy that you could afford to do it.just my .02.
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr.G
with stage 4 , i get at least 120whp extra on the wheels, there is no freaking way that a NA Z can beat that not even close. i play with NA modified Z,s as if they were Micras

Your post saying "AT LEAST 120WHP EXTRA" is useless. Get off your *** and get it dyno'd or stop posting in this thread. I could say "I got at least 300WHP NA with all my bolt-ons." But I got my car dyno'd to know what it really has.
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 06:23 AM
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BTW Stillen isn't going to be the only aftermarket company offering a warranty on the motor for very long
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 06:23 AM
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This may be a viable option. They do a lot of SVT eatons so I don't see why they couldn't handle a smaller eaton like Stillens.

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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by EM-EFER
Your post saying "AT LEAST 120WHP EXTRA" is useless. Get off your *** and get it dyno'd or stop posting in this thread. I could say "I got at least 300WHP NA with all my bolt-ons." But I got my car dyno'd to know what it really has.
I race almost 3 times a week, and i meet many people with modded cars and 99% of them are bull****ters claiming twice as much HP as they have. I beat a modded STI once who claimed that he dynoed 450hp by more than 5 cars . up till now the only one who beat me was a Z06 vette stock which has around 440 whp.
By the way i am a PhD. Holder in Engineering, go study your engineering and you will see that any NA bolts on put together (unless you modify the pistons etc..) cannot match FI
NA = headers, exhaust, plenum, cats, flywheel, pulley, crank shaft ... all that is nothing at all compared to FI.
I personally have Stillen stage 4, flywheel, ACT clutch, JWT popcharger, and i WILL blow you away big time by at least 10 cars cars as I did to: Porsche Carrera S 2005 model , M3 (2005) , EVO8, STI prodrive 2.5l, and did beat ferrari 355 and C6 vette but not like the others that i litterally blew away. try your 300whp car with an M3 which is 280whp or a Carrera S which is 300whp and let me know the result!!!! I bet an EVO 8 can give you a hard time.
There is no freaking way in any science book that as some in this forum claim that a 9psi boost gave them 440 and 450 whp , this is against science:
7psi can give at best 345whp with SC and 360whp with TT, 9psi can give at best 380 whp with SC and 400 with TT , otherwise you will be contradicting engineering laws or your dyno is giving FOR SURE wrong results.to get 450whp you need at least 12psi of boost, simple formula: (if 240 is stock Z)
240 x(12+14) /14 = 445.7 with 12 psi and this is theoratical if same internals, so actually less than that.
Go to Zmagazine supercharger shootout, and check Videos, and articles. The Vortech , ATI, Stillen SC were compared. with only 7psi Stillen stage 3 gave 339 whp 5hp less than the others, but more torque. the stock 350z gives at best 240whp, so that is 100hp more . stage 4 gives 120hp more IF WELL INSTALLED. PERIOD.
only stage 1 Stillen gave around 300 whp with 5.5 psi and without any intercooler.

AND for the :" Stop Posting on this thread " i can tell you :go learn some manners because if your parents did not teach you any, I sure can.
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 07:56 AM
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Dr. G.........we want proof, is all. If you want to make claims of horsepower, you can, but without anything to back it up, nobody will pay attention.

Oh, and if you ever decide to bring your car to the USA, come to FL and I'll smoke you with my TN kit
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by superchargedg
allright guys,this thread was started because he has a problem.why in the hell did this turn into a bashing.help him with the problem,i think thats what he was hoping for,and true i have a stage 3 with 17,000 miles on it and i know i'll get spanked running a turbo z(alberto allready did that at the track)but thats not why i bought the kit.back when i did mine the only kits out there were ati(which blew 4 or more motors when it was 1st out)vortech,which i like just dont like the chatter at idle,and greddy which was having problems.if turbonetics was avali at the time i would have gone that way.stillen is great around town for which most of my driving is and i still like it.all kits have there ups and downs and i like them all,but i still think fi is fi and be happy that you could afford to do it.just my .02.
Hey, you must get 7psi of boost at stage 3 when you are in 3d or 4th at redline rpm. and use good high octane fuel. if you have any problems, check your belts for tension 9you have 3 belts to check), and the routing of the main belt (the long one below). Also the wiring connections of your box must be checked. with 7psi you must have lots of power at least 320whp
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr.G
with 7psi you must have lots of power at least 320whp

sadly, this is rarely true with the stillen kit.
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
Dr. G.........we want proof, is all. If you want to make claims of horsepower, you can, but without anything to back it up, nobody will pay attention.

i can give you proof but first i am too lazy to drive 2hrs to the dyno place, second i myself do not need the proof , you do not want to believe me that is your problem i really do not care.

Oh, and if you ever decide to bring your car to the USA, come to FL and I'll smoke you with my TN kit
maybe you will smoke me with a TN kit since you have TT and more boost , no problem with that, but with NA come on...and try then to smoke me on a track
if i go to FL it will be without my car since i live overseas, so perhaps you can take me for a ride and show me your car .
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:09 AM
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the turbonetics kit is a single turbo kit, and I'm only running 8psi.

fact is, the Stillen kit makes squat for power compared to all the other FI kits. oh well.
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Originally Posted by chimmike
sadly, this is rarely true with the stillen kit.
this is because you get 7psi only at redline , so most of the time you are below 7psi. this kist is very safe 7psi is the absolute maximum. and 8psi with stage 4, 8psi is the maximum at redline. with your Turbo you get no boost at first and then quickly 8psi in midrange. with SC you start getting boost early at 2000 rpm and keeps climbing linearly until redline 8psi, then as it heats up the power will decrease.

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I don't really think safety is a concern here, the reason the stillen kit is safe is because it doesn't make squat for power, runs very conservative timing and fuel as well.

push the stillen setup to 400whp and it becomes a bit more unreliable simply due to the excessive intake temps due to the nature of a roots blower compressing the air.
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:16 AM
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all SC are safer than TT because your boost rarely reaches the maximum, and your power comes smoothly. of course less power contributes to better reliability also

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