Special $10,000.00 Turbonetics kit?!
10-10-2006, 02:31 PM
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AAM can you address the timing issue on Brent's car? You mentioned what you had set the timing to was not agressive, but I think most reading this thread even though we are not tuners dissagree.
10-10-2006, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyRitz
He was your number one customer. Now he's at another shop. What does this tell us? Oh, and how is Ryan's built motor coming along? Hmmm...did his motor blow or is he just building for the hell of it?
Well Mike, I can only hope for you and your companies sake that you are being sincere and that you are as committed as you let on here on the forums.
Well Mike, I can only hope for you and your companies sake that you are being sincere and that you are as committed as you let on here on the forums.
1. Motor popped
2. Mike's taking care of me
3. It's going to be sick when it's done, so hopefully it'll quiet some of the bs online
Brent's situation is Brent's situation. It's f'ked up what happens sometimes, but I've said it in previous posts - we're all learning on these platforms. Mistakes are made. Some mistakes are more expensive than others. The big question is how we individually handle it, and how the companies we chose to do business with handle it - this is what makes or breaks businesses. Mike knows this, and I'm sure that he and Brent will work it out. If they don't, I'm sure we'll all read about it on this forum...
Bottom line is that if you're not ready to pour your heart, soul, and wallet into your car, then leave it stock. The further you take it, the more likely you're going to fall into problems. Simple as that. We're all addicts to pushing limits, so we all accept the responsibility for that.
If at any point you feel uncomfortable about doing business with someone - walk away. If you decide to stay, well sorry to say it, but anthing after that point is your fault...
So to make it easy for everyone - if you don't like AAM, don't go there. A lot of the guys that had work done there have had good experiences. Some haven't. But that's just the nature of any business.
AS ALWAYS - just my
-Ryan
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10-10-2006, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
AAM can you address the timing issue on Brent's car? You mentioned what you had set the timing to was not agressive, but I think most reading this thread even though we are not tuners dissagree.
Different tuners have different setups for different vehicles and customers. It should also be noted that different fuel/timing systems run different (even though they are on the same vehicle platform).
This is how the timing was set in this particular application:
I started with the base timing map from the old setup (which worked great for several months) -3 deg. I slowly increased the timing in 1 degree increments doing two things:
1. Listening to the engine with the HKS Knock-Amp tool on my headphones
2. Keeping an eye on the air-fuel
After a pull the torqe curve was looked at. Because the engine sounded great (no knock whatsoever) a degree of timing was added.
This processed continued until the slightest bit of knock was present which also was where the engine did not gain any more torque. I think it is valid to mention (for those that do their own tuning and have heard their engine knock) that with the Knock-Amp and headphones you can easily hear knock a good 2deg timing worth before you would hear it externally / by naked ear.
At this point we are done making timing pulls and the timing is decreased back between 1 to 2 degrees (this is the optimum timing for this engine and octane).
After the dyno session the customer and I took the car out on the street for a street tuning / check up session. This is where we apply street loads to the vehicle and double check the tune. Here I fine tuned the setup and was pleased to note that I did not hear any knock through the headphones even under extreme high-gear load.
This is how we set the timing. I think it is also valid to note that I spoke with Sharif and he noted that there was no sign of detonation on the pistons or cylinder walls.
Hope this helps,
10-10-2006, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Are you asking me if Im being asked/payed to post my thoughts?
You're ok in my book Bert. Sorry if you thought I was taking a shot at you dude.
10-10-2006, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by S1AMEZE
Bottom line is that if you're not ready to pour your heart, soul, and wallet into your car, then leave it stock. The further you take it, the more likely you're going to fall into problems. Simple as that. We're all addicts to pushing limits, so we all accept the responsibility for that.
Originally Posted by S1AMEZE
If you decide to stay, well sorry to say it, but anthing after that point is your fault...
Rob
10-10-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedDesign
Not at all sir. I meant are someone's pockets being lined to edit the thread title.
You're ok in my book Bert. Sorry if you thought I was taking a shot at you dude.
You're ok in my book Bert. Sorry if you thought I was taking a shot at you dude.
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10-10-2006, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike@Altered
Not a problem -- if anything this writeup may help some people better undertand how timing is setup.
Different tuners have different setups for different vehicles and customers. It should also be noted that different fuel/timing systems run different (even though they are on the same vehicle platform).
This is how the timing was set in this particular application:
I started with the base timing map from the old setup (which worked great for several months) -3 deg. I slowly increased the timing in 1 degree increments doing two things:
1. Listening to the engine with the HKS Knock-Amp tool on my headphones
2. Keeping an eye on the air-fuel
After a pull the torqe curve was looked at. Because the engine sounded great (no knock whatsoever) a degree of timing was added.
This processed continued until the slightest bit of knock was present which also was where the engine did not gain any more torque. I think it is valid to mention (for those that do their own tuning and have heard their engine knock) that with the Knock-Amp and headphones you can easily hear knock a good 2deg timing worth before you would hear it externally / by naked ear.
At this point we are done making timing pulls and the timing is decreased back between 1 to 2 degrees (this is the optimum timing for this engine and octane).
After the dyno session the customer and I took the car out on the street for a street tuning / check up session. This is where we apply street loads to the vehicle and double check the tune. Here I fine tuned the setup and was pleased to note that I did not hear any knock through the headphones even under extreme high-gear load.
This is how we set the timing. I think it is also valid to note that I spoke with Sharif and he noted that there was no sign of detonation on the pistons or cylinder walls.
Hope this helps,
Different tuners have different setups for different vehicles and customers. It should also be noted that different fuel/timing systems run different (even though they are on the same vehicle platform).
This is how the timing was set in this particular application:
I started with the base timing map from the old setup (which worked great for several months) -3 deg. I slowly increased the timing in 1 degree increments doing two things:
1. Listening to the engine with the HKS Knock-Amp tool on my headphones
2. Keeping an eye on the air-fuel
After a pull the torqe curve was looked at. Because the engine sounded great (no knock whatsoever) a degree of timing was added.
This processed continued until the slightest bit of knock was present which also was where the engine did not gain any more torque. I think it is valid to mention (for those that do their own tuning and have heard their engine knock) that with the Knock-Amp and headphones you can easily hear knock a good 2deg timing worth before you would hear it externally / by naked ear.
At this point we are done making timing pulls and the timing is decreased back between 1 to 2 degrees (this is the optimum timing for this engine and octane).
After the dyno session the customer and I took the car out on the street for a street tuning / check up session. This is where we apply street loads to the vehicle and double check the tune. Here I fine tuned the setup and was pleased to note that I did not hear any knock through the headphones even under extreme high-gear load.
This is how we set the timing. I think it is also valid to note that I spoke with Sharif and he noted that there was no sign of detonation on the pistons or cylinder walls.
Hope this helps,
I guess my NA goals weren't as important to you. I bet the tuning charge was the same per hour though.
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10-10-2006, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyRitz
Ryan, I always appreciate your input. My point is that there are ways accomplish goals without unneccessary or duplicate costs. I won't go into specifics, but I've spent more than enough money with Mike. He knows it.
I hope that your "staying" doesn't cost you considerably more than it should.
Rob
I hope that your "staying" doesn't cost you considerably more than it should.
Rob
Thanks for the support bro. I've been through the details with Mike, and everything's level. If it wasn't, trust me, I wouldn't be sticking around...
10-10-2006, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by S1AMEZE
Rob,
Thanks for the support bro. I've been through the details with Mike, and everything's level. If it wasn't, trust me, I wouldn't be sticking around...
Thanks for the support bro. I've been through the details with Mike, and everything's level. If it wasn't, trust me, I wouldn't be sticking around...
Brent's in good hands now.
10-10-2006, 05:41 PM
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Bert-
I didn't mean to not include you in the "pushing of the envelope" statement. Your car is SILLY! We'll soon talk about my plan...
I didn't mean to not include you in the "pushing of the envelope" statement. Your car is SILLY! We'll soon talk about my plan...
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10-10-2006, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Wow just got a call from Osix-the OP had originally been banned for "other things". His ban was set for 10 days. His ban is now permanent, he received the message on his screen after checking the status of his ban. I really hope he didnt get banned because of this thread and him expressing his opinions. We can all share issues/diagreements/opinions and still discuss things like adults. That really upsets me, we have people that sign up on this site who dont even have Z's and do nothing but argue/personally attack others in the street racing section and contribute nothing, now a member has been permanently banned
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10-10-2006, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Wow just got a call from Osix-the OP had originally been banned for "other things". His ban was set for 10 days. His ban is now permanent, he received the message on his screen after checking the status of his ban. I really hope he didnt get banned because of this thread and him expressing his opinions. We can all share issues/diagreements/opinions and still discuss things like adults. That really upsets me, we have people that sign up on this site who dont even have Z's and do nothing but argue/personally attack others in the street racing section and contribute nothing, now a member has been permanently banned
HE WAS NOT BANNED BECAUSE OF ANYTHING IN THE THREAD!
10-11-2006, 08:00 AM
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I am all for people giving their opinions on their specific dealings with shops. Good or bad, sponsor or not. First hand reviews can help other members on the forum and I am all for that. I think when people read a number of threads about the same shop they should be able to figure it out for themselves.
10-11-2006, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by failsafe
If you must know he was banned for racial slurs directed at another member. I'm not going to repeat the comment or say who it was directed at, but it was over the line and completely uncalled for.
Sorry had to lighten things up ... I would agree with Berto in one of his previous comments. Mike (Osix350Z) was probably in a state of mind where he shouldn't have been posting and just sleeping it off. He's actually a cool guy.
10-11-2006, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by in2therain3
Well, I am going to get my car tuned at AAM. Theyy are still good in my book so we'll see how it goes!
