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IPP and Forged both sell built blocks for around 3k... if you are mechanically inclined you would be able to do it under 4k and then possibly find a used TT for 3-4.... add guages and fuel im sure it is very possible to do under 10k.... The only thing I let anyone do on my car is a tune... and when I boost again I might even try to learn what I can about tuning...
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To make the power you want to make, you're definitely going to need more than 10K, believe me. Making the "big" power is not cheap by any means. The amount that i spent on my first build, making 624rwhp, on race gas, and now what i've dropped on my second build, is actually quite a bit nauseating. Most people would think i'm mental, or retarded, or both. But hey, its a hobby and a passion, and you truly do need to pay to play. If your serious about making the power, and trust me it is worth it in the end, then just keep saving and planning. Research as much as you possibly can because things are always changing. When i first started my original build, it was widely believed in the the Z/G community that to make over 500hp, the block needed to be sleeved. Then as my build came to be completed, there were a bunch of guys that were having major issues with sleeved motors. Just keep current on whats going on in the mods world and spend wisely.
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I was actually just looking at that. Theres a guy here that has done a lot of work on the Z platform and he owned the Z with the fastest lap time at the track here on island when we had one. I was gonna talk to him and see about how much I would be looking at for him to do a similar built block like that one.
I definitely plan on doing a lot of the work myself, I have access to an auto skills hobby shop on base here that is decked out with a huge tool selection and a ton of lifts. I'll also be purchasing at least one extra longblock, will probably be my first purchase so I have a backup.
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People are still paying 4k for a freaking B18C motor? What about over 2k for a B16A?
A turbo is a turbo, emanage is emanage, a tial waste gate is a tial waste gate.
I'm sure a set of Z pistons and Rods actually costs the same as a set of pistons and rods for a K20, even though you get two more of them. If you can't do your own labor, they a rebuild is going to cost roughly the same as well.
700whp Honda's are not built on McDonald's wage budgets.
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What sticker shock? i would argue the Honda Scene is a sticker shock!
People are still paying 4k for a freaking B18C motor? What about over 2k for a B16A?
A turbo is a turbo, emanage is emanage, a tial waste gate is a tial waste gate.
I'm sure a set of Z pistons and Rods actually costs the same as a set of pistons and rods for a K20, even though you get two more of them. If you can't do your own labor, they a rebuild is going to cost roughly the same as well.
700whp Honda's are not built on McDonald's wage budgets.
People are still paying 4k for a freaking B18C motor? What about over 2k for a B16A?
A turbo is a turbo, emanage is emanage, a tial waste gate is a tial waste gate.
I'm sure a set of Z pistons and Rods actually costs the same as a set of pistons and rods for a K20, even though you get two more of them. If you can't do your own labor, they a rebuild is going to cost roughly the same as well.
700whp Honda's are not built on McDonald's wage budgets.
Don't really care to argue about it, but the wide range of used parts available in the honda scene is what makes it affordable.
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So I've been offered a used STS kit at a great price. But one thing that still bothers me is how everyone says this kit is very limited. With a built block and the right supporting mods I don't see how this kit couldn't make 700whp+ with a new turbo, injectors and IC.
Are there other limitations of this I am missing?
I just finished reading through this WHOLE thread today
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So I've been offered a used STS kit at a great price. But one thing that still bothers me is how everyone says this kit is very limited. With a built block and the right supporting mods I don't see how this kit couldn't make 700whp+ with a new turbo, injectors and IC.
Are there other limitations of this I am missing?
I just finished reading through this WHOLE thread today![eekdance](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/eekdance.gif)
Are there other limitations of this I am missing?
I just finished reading through this WHOLE thread today
![eekdance](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/eekdance.gif)
Here, look at CMyTailsBlink dyno at 600whp. Remember this is with a 3.8L motor. CMyTailsBlink's car is being rebuild and it is supposed to be a bigger build. I'm curious to see the power curve on his new setup.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachments...6-tune-sts.jpg
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For 10 grand I could build a 500whp honda including the price of the car. For 10 grand you might be able to get 500whp out of a G35, not including the price of the car.
Don't really care to argue about it, but the wide range of used parts available in the honda scene is what makes it affordable.
Don't really care to argue about it, but the wide range of used parts available in the honda scene is what makes it affordable.
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Now on topic:
So I've been offered a used STS kit at a great price. But one thing that still bothers me is how everyone says this kit is very limited. With a built block and the right supporting mods I don't see how this kit couldn't make 700whp+ with a new turbo, injectors and IC.
Are there other limitations of this I am missing?
I just finished reading through this WHOLE thread today![eekdance](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/eekdance.gif)
So I've been offered a used STS kit at a great price. But one thing that still bothers me is how everyone says this kit is very limited. With a built block and the right supporting mods I don't see how this kit couldn't make 700whp+ with a new turbo, injectors and IC.
Are there other limitations of this I am missing?
I just finished reading through this WHOLE thread today
![eekdance](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/eekdance.gif)
I think you completely fail to understand the purpose of this setup.
This is not a "big power ticket", nor is it the most efficient setup ever.
The purpose of these remote-mount-turbos is to provide an easy, affordable FI solution for vehicles with cramped engine bays. This is why such kits are popular on Camaro's, Corvettes and S197 Mustangs (Fox-based have fuel tanks in the way).
These vehicles also have gobs of torque readily available, so any lag as of the result of the set up is a non-issue. An LS1 can never be "laggy" with a turbo.
If you are serious about +700whp (which I doubt) this is not the direction for you. Also, saying "I can get it for cheap, so can I upgrade the turbo, IC and Injectors?"... umm.. what are you getting then? A few bent pieces of pipe as the rest of the kit is worthless?
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You can make 700+whp but the power band will suck especially without a bigger displacement motor. I think 500whp is manageable but above 600whp it's going to be laggy on the street...
Here, look at CMyTailsBlink dyno at 600whp. Remember this is with a 3.8L motor. CMyTailsBlink's car is being rebuild and it is supposed to be a bigger build. I'm curious to see the power curve on his new setup.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachments...6-tune-sts.jpg
Here, look at CMyTailsBlink dyno at 600whp. Remember this is with a 3.8L motor. CMyTailsBlink's car is being rebuild and it is supposed to be a bigger build. I'm curious to see the power curve on his new setup.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachments...6-tune-sts.jpg
I know there will be some lag compared to the stock kit/stock block setup, mainly because the turbo they put in the kit it's pretty small and puny imo. It is great for the intentions of the kit though.
There was a lot left on that GT67 also, I don't know the details of his build but I don't see why it wasn't possible to get 600-650 on pump gas unless he was just being cautious.
I may be wrong, I'm still researching compressor maps and re-reading my corky bell book. We'll see but I know this system is capable of 700whp with the right combo
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I think you completely fail to understand the purpose of this setup.
This is not a "big power ticket", nor is it the most efficient setup ever.
The purpose of these remote-mount-turbos is to provide an easy, affordable FI solution for vehicles with cramped engine bays. This is why such kits are popular on Camaro's, Corvettes and S197 Mustangs (Fox-based have fuel tanks in the way).
These vehicles also have gobs of torque readily available, so any lag as of the result of the set up is a non-issue. An LS1 can never be "laggy" with a turbo.
If you are serious about +700whp (which I doubt) this is not the direction for you. Also, saying "I can get it for cheap, so can I upgrade the turbo, IC and Injectors?"... umm.. what are you getting then? A few bent pieces of pipe as the rest of the kit is worthless?
This is not a "big power ticket", nor is it the most efficient setup ever.
The purpose of these remote-mount-turbos is to provide an easy, affordable FI solution for vehicles with cramped engine bays. This is why such kits are popular on Camaro's, Corvettes and S197 Mustangs (Fox-based have fuel tanks in the way).
These vehicles also have gobs of torque readily available, so any lag as of the result of the set up is a non-issue. An LS1 can never be "laggy" with a turbo.
If you are serious about +700whp (which I doubt) this is not the direction for you. Also, saying "I can get it for cheap, so can I upgrade the turbo, IC and Injectors?"... umm.. what are you getting then? A few bent pieces of pipe as the rest of the kit is worthless?
I am serious about my goals, I plan on running low numbers on my stock block first to learn the kit and work any kinks out than a few months down the road drop in a built block and push it. This isn't some dream post, I'd really like to know what limitations and disadvantages a remote mount has compared to a front mount.Cause outside of the slightly later spool, I can't seem to find any.
I'm going for the Remote mount setup because it's a new front on our cars and I don't think anyone has pushed it yet, that's what i would like to do.
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I am serious about my goals, I plan on running low numbers on my stock block first to learn the kit and work any kinks out than a few months down the road drop in a built block and push it. This isn't some dream post, I'd really like to know what limitations and disadvantages a remote mount has compared to a front mount.Cause outside of the slightly later spool, I can't seem to find any.
I'm going for the Remote mount setup because it's a new front on our cars and I don't think anyone has pushed it yet, that's what i would like to do.
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No it's not the "new frontier". It's been around for 3-4 years. I don't believe STS even makes the kits anymore. The Pros-Vs-Cons have been very well documented. Are you actually dreaming of building a street car, or just some lame dyno-look-at-me-car.
I've not only read through these forums but I've also read through Corvette and Camaro forums and they even touched on remote mounts in Corky Bell's Maximum boost book. They do still make the kits. The highest HP on a Z/G with these kits is only 621 Hp and you are trying to say it's not a new front in our cars?
If every individual that wanted to try something new stopped because someone told them they couldn't where would our hobby be?
You can have the last word, I'm done responding to you. I'd rather talk to someone that isn't close-minded and wants to discuss the physical limitations of the kit and ways to overcome them.
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You can make 700+whp but the power band will suck especially without a bigger displacement motor. I think 500whp is manageable but above 600whp it's going to be laggy on the street...
Here, look at CMyTailsBlink dyno at 600whp. Remember this is with a 3.8L motor. CMyTailsBlink's car is being rebuild and it is supposed to be a bigger build. I'm curious to see the power curve on his new setup.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachments...6-tune-sts.jpg
Here, look at CMyTailsBlink dyno at 600whp. Remember this is with a 3.8L motor. CMyTailsBlink's car is being rebuild and it is supposed to be a bigger build. I'm curious to see the power curve on his new setup.
https://my350z.com/forum/attachments...6-tune-sts.jpg
I think you completely fail to understand the purpose of this setup.
This is not a "big power ticket", nor is it the most efficient setup ever.
The purpose of these remote-mount-turbos is to provide an easy, affordable FI solution for vehicles with cramped engine bays. This is why such kits are popular on Camaro's, Corvettes and S197 Mustangs (Fox-based have fuel tanks in the way).
These vehicles also have gobs of torque readily available, so any lag as of the result of the set up is a non-issue. An LS1 can never be "laggy" with a turbo.
This is not a "big power ticket", nor is it the most efficient setup ever.
The purpose of these remote-mount-turbos is to provide an easy, affordable FI solution for vehicles with cramped engine bays. This is why such kits are popular on Camaro's, Corvettes and S197 Mustangs (Fox-based have fuel tanks in the way).
These vehicles also have gobs of torque readily available, so any lag as of the result of the set up is a non-issue. An LS1 can never be "laggy" with a turbo.
Now that's just stupid. What "kinks" will you be getting out? Mechanical, Tune? Guess what, you swap blocks those "kinks" are back. Have you read anything? Why not google Remote-Mount. The limitations and disadvantages have been well documented.
No it's not the "new frontier". It's been around for 3-4 years. I don't believe STS even makes the kits anymore. The Pros-Vs-Cons have been very well documented. Are you actually dreaming of building a street car, or just some lame dyno-look-at-me-car.
No it's not the "new frontier". It's been around for 3-4 years. I don't believe STS even makes the kits anymore. The Pros-Vs-Cons have been very well documented. Are you actually dreaming of building a street car, or just some lame dyno-look-at-me-car.
I've not only read through these forums but I've also read through Corvette and Camaro forums and they even touched on remote mounts in Corky Bell's Maximum boost book. They do still make the kits. The highest HP on a Z/G with these kits is only 621 Hp and you are trying to say it's not a new front in our cars?
If every individual that wanted to try something new stopped because someone told them they couldn't where would our hobby be?
You can have the last word, I'm done responding to you. I'd rather talk to someone that isn't close-minded and wants to discuss the physical limitations of the kit.![thumbup](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/biggthumpup.gif)
If every individual that wanted to try something new stopped because someone told them they couldn't where would our hobby be?
You can have the last word, I'm done responding to you. I'd rather talk to someone that isn't close-minded and wants to discuss the physical limitations of the kit.
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BTW, what was the max hp you found on a rear mount LS-1 setup
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I actually at one point considered doing an LS-1 swap into my Z while keeping the STS, but decided against it when I realized how much it would cost. A proplerly built stroker will set you back just about the same though. More displacement is the only way for this kit to operate at peak efficiency.
Please tell me that you aren't implying that a bigger turbo will equal less lag.
Why do you think that is? Do you believe that you possess more knowledge about FI than all of the guys here.LOL. Don't you think if this kit was capable of 700hp with minimal lag that the TT kits would be obsolete with what the STS cost in comparison
My thoughts exactly. So everyone on here that has talked about the limitations of this kit full of shat? What are your driving intentions of this 700hp STS Z? Do you want a DD or a car that sits in the garage that rarely get driven?
I have a DD already as well as a motorcycle, the G35 would only come out for recreational driving on nice days or for meets/cruises.
Ask yourself the same question. I don't care about Ebay turbos in you Civic either. You know what, thats not fair for me to make assumptions like that. I just think its stupid to ignore what everyone has said about the limitations of this kit
You want to something new, then do what I wishI could have done. Swap the LS-1 in and keep the rear mount set up. The cost wouldn't be much different and you would have a much more reliable DD at 700hp. You seem so worried about the limitations of this kit, but I would read a little more about the troubles that the people that have reached 700hp on the VQ35 have experienced.
BTW, what was the max hp you found on a rear mount LS-1 setup
You want to something new, then do what I wishI could have done. Swap the LS-1 in and keep the rear mount set up. The cost wouldn't be much different and you would have a much more reliable DD at 700hp. You seem so worried about the limitations of this kit, but I would read a little more about the troubles that the people that have reached 700hp on the VQ35 have experienced.
BTW, what was the max hp you found on a rear mount LS-1 setup
One thing I found interesting is the guy with the C5 in the 8's was running a single 3" exhaust pipe to the turbo, considering the size of our engines to theirs I think the 2.5" that most VQs are running on this kit is too big and if it dropped down to 2.25" or even 2" it would help the spool a lot.
I'm not sure on which diameter is best though but tonight I'm gonna do all the math and figure out the flow rates and such and see what is the more efficient size piping.
The reason I want to do this is cause I don't want to just mindlessly follow what some manufacturer has laid out for me. I want something that will be a challenge and that will stick out.
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I would love to see that done, too
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