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I have stayed on the side line and watch the name Motec tossed around by some that I am sure are not familiar with its abilities.
I have been using the Motec now for over 5 years. Why? Because it has been proven...on the fly adjustment and sideline monitoring. Like I said its a PROVEN product and no one that races at my level would be willing to experiment with a new unproven product in its growing stage. So to sit here and try and diminish the abilities of the Motec by comparing it to a product that is new and is still in a learning stage is just crazy and biased....which is really unfair to people that are really looking for a TROUBLE free EMS.
I know what Jorge, Raj, George, Gurgen, Rude and a few others are trying to say and I do agree with most of what has been said.
My reason for going with the V-Pro is.....I told Sharif that I wanted something that is PROVEN and some what trouble free. I did not want to be a guinea pig for any new product. To date ( over one year ) and I have ZERO issues....To be running the kind of whp I am running without any problems is more than I can ask for.
I am very familiar with the Haltech. When I was part of Pettit racing....we use the Haltech with the 3 Rotor Rx7 ....and it worked without a hitch. Yes this new model is more advance when compared to the old version.....but too new for my comfort. I am not saying anything is wrong with it.....its just too new and limited feed back.
Same goes for the ProEFI......This product may turn out to be the best EMS on the market.....it may prove to be better than the Motec..... But as of this date....this has not been proven to me. Like Doug (I think it was Doug) stated.....Greedy still has not completed there upgrades....and its over 2 years late. Not saying that this is the direction ProEFI is going....I am just saying get back with me when all the upgrades have been completed and then we will see who can run with the Motec.
I agree that the V-Pro is very expensive when purchased fully loaded.....but you know what you are getting. Yes its locked....but HKS wants to protect their products good name. Can you just imagine what would happen if this thing was unlocked....and someone like me with Zero knowledge of how to use it starts playing around with it? So I love having mine locked and trouble free.
Motec? Prove to me that it has a reliable equal
I have been using the Motec now for over 5 years. Why? Because it has been proven...on the fly adjustment and sideline monitoring. Like I said its a PROVEN product and no one that races at my level would be willing to experiment with a new unproven product in its growing stage. So to sit here and try and diminish the abilities of the Motec by comparing it to a product that is new and is still in a learning stage is just crazy and biased....which is really unfair to people that are really looking for a TROUBLE free EMS.
I know what Jorge, Raj, George, Gurgen, Rude and a few others are trying to say and I do agree with most of what has been said.
My reason for going with the V-Pro is.....I told Sharif that I wanted something that is PROVEN and some what trouble free. I did not want to be a guinea pig for any new product. To date ( over one year ) and I have ZERO issues....To be running the kind of whp I am running without any problems is more than I can ask for.
I am very familiar with the Haltech. When I was part of Pettit racing....we use the Haltech with the 3 Rotor Rx7 ....and it worked without a hitch. Yes this new model is more advance when compared to the old version.....but too new for my comfort. I am not saying anything is wrong with it.....its just too new and limited feed back.
Same goes for the ProEFI......This product may turn out to be the best EMS on the market.....it may prove to be better than the Motec..... But as of this date....this has not been proven to me. Like Doug (I think it was Doug) stated.....Greedy still has not completed there upgrades....and its over 2 years late. Not saying that this is the direction ProEFI is going....I am just saying get back with me when all the upgrades have been completed and then we will see who can run with the Motec.
I agree that the V-Pro is very expensive when purchased fully loaded.....but you know what you are getting. Yes its locked....but HKS wants to protect their products good name. Can you just imagine what would happen if this thing was unlocked....and someone like me with Zero knowledge of how to use it starts playing around with it? So I love having mine locked and trouble free.
Motec? Prove to me that it has a reliable equal
Now that Gurgen has done Motec and an alliance of Sharif's (GTM), has hands-on experience with it on the VQ, will you be switching to it? You wouldn't then be the proverbial "guinea pig", as you stated.
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Originally Posted by INTENSEPOWER
Now that Gurgen has done Motec and an alliance of Sharif's (GTM), has hands-on experience with it on the VQ, will you be switching to it? You wouldn't then be the proverbial "guinea pig", as you stated.
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If my V-Pro was not doing what I expected to .....Yes....but the V-Pro has not let me down to date....so no.
The word "Guinea Pig" is not a reflection on the Haltech or ProEFI.....its me demanding a proven product be installed on my car. Later on if anyone of the above products can gain the track record of the Motec or V-Pro or better....yes I would have FP install it.
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Originally Posted by XKR
I have stayed on the side line and watch the name Motec tossed around by some that I am sure are not familiar with its abilities.
I have been using the Motec now for over 5 years. Why? Because it has been proven...on the fly adjustment and sideline monitoring. Like I said its a PROVEN product and no one that races at my level would be willing to experiment with a new unproven product in its growing stage. So to sit here and try and diminish the abilities of the Motec by comparing it to a product that is new and is still in a learning stage is just crazy and biased....which is really unfair to people that are really looking for a TROUBLE free EMS.
I know what Jorge, Raj, George, Gurgen, Rude and a few others are trying to say and I do agree with most of what has been said.
My reason for going with the V-Pro is.....I told Sharif that I wanted something that is PROVEN and some what trouble free. I did not want to be a guinea pig for any new product. To date ( over one year ) and I have ZERO issues....To be running the kind of whp I am running without any problems is more than I can ask for.
I am very familiar with the Haltech. When I was part of Pettit racing....we use the Haltech with the 3 Rotor Rx7 ....and it worked without a hitch. Yes this new model is more advance when compared to the old version.....but too new for my comfort. I am not saying anything is wrong with it.....its just too new and limited feed back.
Same goes for the ProEFI......This product may turn out to be the best EMS on the market.....it may prove to be better than the Motec..... But as of this date....this has not been proven to me. Like Doug (I think it was Doug) stated.....Greedy still has not completed there upgrades....and its over 2 years late. Not saying that this is the direction ProEFI is going....I am just saying get back with me when all the upgrades have been completed and then we will see who can run with the Motec.
I agree that the V-Pro is very expensive when purchased fully loaded.....but you know what you are getting. Yes its locked....but HKS wants to protect their products good name. Can you just imagine what would happen if this thing was unlocked....and someone like me with Zero knowledge of how to use it starts playing around with it? So I love having mine locked and trouble free.
Motec? Prove to me that it has a reliable equal
I have been using the Motec now for over 5 years. Why? Because it has been proven...on the fly adjustment and sideline monitoring. Like I said its a PROVEN product and no one that races at my level would be willing to experiment with a new unproven product in its growing stage. So to sit here and try and diminish the abilities of the Motec by comparing it to a product that is new and is still in a learning stage is just crazy and biased....which is really unfair to people that are really looking for a TROUBLE free EMS.
I know what Jorge, Raj, George, Gurgen, Rude and a few others are trying to say and I do agree with most of what has been said.
My reason for going with the V-Pro is.....I told Sharif that I wanted something that is PROVEN and some what trouble free. I did not want to be a guinea pig for any new product. To date ( over one year ) and I have ZERO issues....To be running the kind of whp I am running without any problems is more than I can ask for.
I am very familiar with the Haltech. When I was part of Pettit racing....we use the Haltech with the 3 Rotor Rx7 ....and it worked without a hitch. Yes this new model is more advance when compared to the old version.....but too new for my comfort. I am not saying anything is wrong with it.....its just too new and limited feed back.
Same goes for the ProEFI......This product may turn out to be the best EMS on the market.....it may prove to be better than the Motec..... But as of this date....this has not been proven to me. Like Doug (I think it was Doug) stated.....Greedy still has not completed there upgrades....and its over 2 years late. Not saying that this is the direction ProEFI is going....I am just saying get back with me when all the upgrades have been completed and then we will see who can run with the Motec.
I agree that the V-Pro is very expensive when purchased fully loaded.....but you know what you are getting. Yes its locked....but HKS wants to protect their products good name. Can you just imagine what would happen if this thing was unlocked....and someone like me with Zero knowledge of how to use it starts playing around with it? So I love having mine locked and trouble free.
Motec? Prove to me that it has a reliable equal
The ECM is designed to meet automotive industry standard under
hood environmental requirements for 12 volt and 24 volt systems,
and also meets marine industry environmental requirements.
Validation tests included extreme operating temperatures
(-40° to +105° C), thermal shock, humidity, salt spray, salt fog,
immersion, fluid resistance, mechanical shock, vibration, and EMC.
It is the responsibility of the application engineer to assure that the
application does not exceed the demonstrated capabilities of the
unit; vibration or thermal. It may be necessary to perform additional
tests to validate the unit in the application.
STORAGE TEMPERATURE: -40° to +125° C
OPERATING TEMPERATURE: -40° to +105° C
THERMAL SHOCK: -40° to +125° C transition within 10s for 500 cycles
FLUID RESISTANCE: Two stroke motor oil,Four stroke motor oil,
Unleaded gasoline,
ASTM Reference 'C' fuel
HUMIDITY RESISTANCE: 85% humidity at 85°C for 1000 hours of operation
SALT FOG RESISTANCE: 1000 hours
IMMERSION: Submersible in 8% saltwater solution to 10'
MECAHANICAL SHOCK: 50 hours of 50 g's
DROP: Random drop tests on concrete from 6'
VIBRATION: Engine mountable and tested to high-performance levels
ABNORMAL SUPPLY VOLTAGE RESISTANCE:
Conditions Supply Voltage Time
Reverse Battery -24VDC 5 Minutes
Abnormal Alternator Output 36VDC 5 Minutes
Minimum Battery 6VDC Indef.
Originally Posted by XKR
If my V-Pro was not doing what I expected to .....Yes....but the V-Pro has not let me down to date....so no.
The word "Guinea Pig" is not a reflection on the Haltech or ProEFI.....its me demanding a proven product be installed on my car. Later on if anyone of the above products can gain the track record of the Motec or V-Pro or better....yes I would have FP install it.
The word "Guinea Pig" is not a reflection on the Haltech or ProEFI.....its me demanding a proven product be installed on my car. Later on if anyone of the above products can gain the track record of the Motec or V-Pro or better....yes I would have FP install it.
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Originally Posted by XKR
If my V-Pro was not doing what I expected to .....Yes....but the V-Pro has not let me down to date....so no.
The word "Guinea Pig" is not a reflection on the Haltech or ProEFI.....its me demanding a proven product be installed on my car. Later on if anyone of the above products can gain the track record of the Motec or V-Pro or better....yes I would have FP install it.
The word "Guinea Pig" is not a reflection on the Haltech or ProEFI.....its me demanding a proven product be installed on my car. Later on if anyone of the above products can gain the track record of the Motec or V-Pro or better....yes I would have FP install it.
Originally Posted by XKR
I have stayed on the side line and watch the name Motec tossed around by some that I am sure are not familiar with its abilities.
I have been using the Motec now for over 5 years. Why? Because it has been proven...on the fly adjustment and sideline monitoring. Like I said its a PROVEN product and no one that races at my level would be willing to experiment with a new unproven product in its growing stage. So to sit here and try and diminish the abilities of the Motec by comparing it to a product that is new and is still in a learning stage is just crazy and biased....which is really unfair to people that are really looking for a TROUBLE free EMS.
I know what Jorge, Raj, George, Gurgen, Rude and a few others are trying to say and I do agree with most of what has been said.
My reason for going with the V-Pro is.....I told Sharif that I wanted something that is PROVEN and some what trouble free. I did not want to be a guinea pig for any new product. To date ( over one year ) and I have ZERO issues....To be running the kind of whp I am running without any problems is more than I can ask for.
I am very familiar with the Haltech. When I was part of Pettit racing....we use the Haltech with the 3 Rotor Rx7 ....and it worked without a hitch. Yes this new model is more advance when compared to the old version.....but too new for my comfort. I am not saying anything is wrong with it.....its just too new and limited feed back.
Same goes for the ProEFI......This product may turn out to be the best EMS on the market.....it may prove to be better than the Motec..... But as of this date....this has not been proven to me. Like Doug (I think it was Doug) stated.....Greedy still has not completed there upgrades....and its over 2 years late. Not saying that this is the direction ProEFI is going....I am just saying get back with me when all the upgrades have been completed and then we will see who can run with the Motec.
I agree that the V-Pro is very expensive when purchased fully loaded.....but you know what you are getting. Yes its locked....but HKS wants to protect their products good name. Can you just imagine what would happen if this thing was unlocked....and someone like me with Zero knowledge of how to use it starts playing around with it? So I love having mine locked and trouble free.
Motec? Prove to me that it has a reliable equal
I have been using the Motec now for over 5 years. Why? Because it has been proven...on the fly adjustment and sideline monitoring. Like I said its a PROVEN product and no one that races at my level would be willing to experiment with a new unproven product in its growing stage. So to sit here and try and diminish the abilities of the Motec by comparing it to a product that is new and is still in a learning stage is just crazy and biased....which is really unfair to people that are really looking for a TROUBLE free EMS.
I know what Jorge, Raj, George, Gurgen, Rude and a few others are trying to say and I do agree with most of what has been said.
My reason for going with the V-Pro is.....I told Sharif that I wanted something that is PROVEN and some what trouble free. I did not want to be a guinea pig for any new product. To date ( over one year ) and I have ZERO issues....To be running the kind of whp I am running without any problems is more than I can ask for.
I am very familiar with the Haltech. When I was part of Pettit racing....we use the Haltech with the 3 Rotor Rx7 ....and it worked without a hitch. Yes this new model is more advance when compared to the old version.....but too new for my comfort. I am not saying anything is wrong with it.....its just too new and limited feed back.
Same goes for the ProEFI......This product may turn out to be the best EMS on the market.....it may prove to be better than the Motec..... But as of this date....this has not been proven to me. Like Doug (I think it was Doug) stated.....Greedy still has not completed there upgrades....and its over 2 years late. Not saying that this is the direction ProEFI is going....I am just saying get back with me when all the upgrades have been completed and then we will see who can run with the Motec.
I agree that the V-Pro is very expensive when purchased fully loaded.....but you know what you are getting. Yes its locked....but HKS wants to protect their products good name. Can you just imagine what would happen if this thing was unlocked....and someone like me with Zero knowledge of how to use it starts playing around with it? So I love having mine locked and trouble free.
Motec? Prove to me that it has a reliable equal
Well said. I can appreciate your viewpoint and prudence. But it's going to take some pioneers who are willing to take a chance to give ProEFI an opportunity to prove itself worthy on the track. Hopefully this will happen within the next several months.
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
Forgive me here, but if it wasn't doing what you expected, isn't that "letting you down".
Not sure what you mean....but the Vpro and the Motec is trouble free to date. KNOCK ON WOOD
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
That's a very fair post!
Well said. I can appreciate your viewpoint and prudence. But it's going to take some pioneers who are willing to take a chance to give ProEFI an opportunity to prove itself worthy on the track. Hopefully this will happen within the next several months.
Well said. I can appreciate your viewpoint and prudence. But it's going to take some pioneers who are willing to take a chance to give ProEFI an opportunity to prove itself worthy on the track. Hopefully this will happen within the next several months.
Porsche took a chance with Motec.....so i am sure the ProEFI with find a racing family. 
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
This is actually a pretty reasonable post...well thought out. Are you trying to say that a motec ecu is more reliable than an OEM Ecu? If you are, then you simply do not understand what the OEM's DEMAND of their suppliers. Their failure rates are listed in the parts per MILLION. This sheet was included in my ProEFI. Post which one (if any of these tests the Motec would pass).
The ECM is designed to meet automotive industry standard under
hood environmental requirements for 12 volt and 24 volt systems,
and also meets marine industry environmental requirements.
Validation tests included extreme operating temperatures
(-40° to +105° C), thermal shock, humidity, salt spray, salt fog,
immersion, fluid resistance, mechanical shock, vibration, and EMC.
It is the responsibility of the application engineer to assure that the
application does not exceed the demonstrated capabilities of the
unit; vibration or thermal. It may be necessary to perform additional
tests to validate the unit in the application.
STORAGE TEMPERATURE: -40° to +125° C
OPERATING TEMPERATURE: -40° to +105° C
THERMAL SHOCK: -40° to +125° C transition within 10s for 500 cycles
FLUID RESISTANCE: Two stroke motor oil,Four stroke motor oil,
Unleaded gasoline,
ASTM Reference 'C' fuel
HUMIDITY RESISTANCE: 85% humidity at 85°C for 1000 hours of operation
SALT FOG RESISTANCE: 1000 hours
IMMERSION: Submersible in 8% saltwater solution to 10'
MECAHANICAL SHOCK: 50 hours of 50 g's
DROP: Random drop tests on concrete from 6'
VIBRATION: Engine mountable and tested to high-performance levels
ABNORMAL SUPPLY VOLTAGE RESISTANCE:
Conditions Supply Voltage Time
Reverse Battery -24VDC 5 Minutes
Abnormal Alternator Output 36VDC 5 Minutes
Minimum Battery 6VDC Indef.
The ECM is designed to meet automotive industry standard under
hood environmental requirements for 12 volt and 24 volt systems,
and also meets marine industry environmental requirements.
Validation tests included extreme operating temperatures
(-40° to +105° C), thermal shock, humidity, salt spray, salt fog,
immersion, fluid resistance, mechanical shock, vibration, and EMC.
It is the responsibility of the application engineer to assure that the
application does not exceed the demonstrated capabilities of the
unit; vibration or thermal. It may be necessary to perform additional
tests to validate the unit in the application.
STORAGE TEMPERATURE: -40° to +125° C
OPERATING TEMPERATURE: -40° to +105° C
THERMAL SHOCK: -40° to +125° C transition within 10s for 500 cycles
FLUID RESISTANCE: Two stroke motor oil,Four stroke motor oil,
Unleaded gasoline,
ASTM Reference 'C' fuel
HUMIDITY RESISTANCE: 85% humidity at 85°C for 1000 hours of operation
SALT FOG RESISTANCE: 1000 hours
IMMERSION: Submersible in 8% saltwater solution to 10'
MECAHANICAL SHOCK: 50 hours of 50 g's
DROP: Random drop tests on concrete from 6'
VIBRATION: Engine mountable and tested to high-performance levels
ABNORMAL SUPPLY VOLTAGE RESISTANCE:
Conditions Supply Voltage Time
Reverse Battery -24VDC 5 Minutes
Abnormal Alternator Output 36VDC 5 Minutes
Minimum Battery 6VDC Indef.
I am not saying that the Motec is more reliable than the OEM ECU.....How can I compare the 2? The OEM ECU cannot be used in a high performance platform....but the Motec can be used in a stock platform.
I could say....
The Motec is as reliable in the racing platform as the OEM ECU is in the stock setup.
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
That's a very fair post!
Well said. I can appreciate your viewpoint and prudence. But it's going to take some pioneers who are willing to take a chance to give ProEFI an opportunity to prove itself worthy on the track. Hopefully this will happen within the next several months.
Well said. I can appreciate your viewpoint and prudence. But it's going to take some pioneers who are willing to take a chance to give ProEFI an opportunity to prove itself worthy on the track. Hopefully this will happen within the next several months.
Hope things are going good
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Originally Posted by XKR
I am not saying that the Motec is more reliable than the OEM ECU.....How can I compare the 2? The OEM ECU cannot be used in a high performance platform....but the Motec can be used in a stock platform.
I could say....
The Motec is as reliable in the racing platform as the OEM ECU is in the stock setup.
I could say....
The Motec is as reliable in the racing platform as the OEM ECU is in the stock setup.
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
The environment that you use it in is the most important. A vehicle that sits in a showroom under controlled climate conditions with no vibration does not need the same stress capabilities as on that is say used on a boat, or used on a car that see's intense vibration and climate changes. The fact that you are using it a racing environment just means that you don't have to worry about the drivability, fuel economy, and emission requirements that the O.E.'s must meet. Read the specs, and compare them with motec's specs, this should give you alot of insight to how rugged and reliable an ecu the ProEFI is.
I am talking about the more aggressive setup. I agree...the way my car is tuned even with a license plate and removal of the big azz spoiler and stickers and numbers ... it would be a hand full to drive on the street.
Originally Posted by XKR
RUDE !!! Whats up with the G? You FI yet? What you mean RIP....why you changed?
Hope things are going good
Hope things are going good
As for the RIP in my sig... That has been there a looong time. My '04 G got wrecked 2 years ago and was immediately replaced with the '06 I currently have.
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Intense is still working on it. Completion date has been set back due to some unforeseen delays on projects ahead of mine, including Jorge's Z. Maybe Darren can help shed some light on when my car will be ready.
As for the RIP in my sig... That has been there a looong time. My '04 G got wrecked 2 years ago and was immediately replaced with the '06 I currently have.
As for the RIP in my sig... That has been there a looong time. My '04 G got wrecked 2 years ago and was immediately replaced with the '06 I currently have.
Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
... I asked your previous question about the front tires for the traction control, and he said that there are programmable delay timers that can be set up to ignore the motionless front wheels under those circumstances. Traction control comes on every module, but you have to request to have it setup, and ofcourse time is money.
Originally Posted by SlideFox
Marshall, the TQ converter... was that from when you got it from that shop out of state?
