what ems do you prefer
Originally Posted by XKR
My point stays the same......The track record is not there as yet...I am sure it will get there....but its still in a infant stage. I am ONLY speaking for myself here....and once again....I am not trying to deny the potential of the ProEFI. At one time...I felt the same about the Motec
Firm example:::::: The iPhone! No one can deny its greatness. But I refuse to buy one until it had a track record and was proven....
Firm example:::::: The iPhone! No one can deny its greatness. But I refuse to buy one until it had a track record and was proven....
Originally Posted by athenG
I don't think XKR is just talking about just hardware reliability. He's talking about the EMS as a whole. Why are you so defensive? Motec don't have to prove anything and it is the new guys in the block that has to prove themselves. Let us wait until ProEFI fix all the bugs or have all the feature working before we all kiss their ****... Utec promised us so many things but look were they are now? Only time will tell so stop the nuthugging!! ProEFI does have so many promising feature a head of them and I myself is interested on what kind of EMS they will be once all the features are working.
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
Your example is really a poor one in your defense. If the I phone was and had been in use for over 5 years by millions of people with a flawless hardware and software record, with little to no failures, and then was released to the general public with open software, would you then say "it doesn't have a proven track record"? This is actually a good analogy for ProEFI. There isn't anything you are going to do in a race car that is harder to do than a street car.... that is the bottom line. The ProEFI's hardware is CLEARLY more proven than any of it's competitors. So now we are down to any software changes they have made. As most all of us know, software doesn't change it's mind, it either works...or it doesn't, and so far every report from everyones personal experience has been that of excellent performance. 

Like AthenG said....why are you so defensive. Let the product speak for itself. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself.
Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
That's just my point. No one who has this ECU is reporting any bugs, in talking with ProEFI, all the features are present and working, except the Can gage functionality. Where do you get that all the features aren't there, or have bugs? It sounds to me like you are assuming. This ecu was being tested for OVER a year on local street vehicles before the first unit was EVER sold. It's not like it came out over night and untested like some other ecu's that are on the market.
And EVERY new product has issues that need to be tweaked and fixed. The ProEFI is not some magic device. A human is doing the programming and a human can make mistakes, and make improvements.
Here is one person reporting a problem for past 5 months with the ProEFI?
Originally Posted by Glex25
Wow that scares me cause I seem to have the same issue with the closed loop CEL's and having issues with startup, idle AFR and fuel cutoff @ 6700RPM. I'm running a PROEFI and was going to try the Haltech but I think I will just go back to the Utec for now. I'm getting the PROEFI pulled and putting the Utec back this week. I dealt with the same **** for almost 5 months already.
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
That's just my point. No one who has this ECU is reporting any bugs, in talking with ProEFI, all the features are present and working, except the Can gage functionality. Where do you get that all the features aren't there, or have bugs? It sounds to me like you are assuming. This ecu was being tested for OVER a year on local street vehicles before the first unit was EVER sold. It's not like it came out over night and untested like some other ecu's that are on the market.
Originally Posted by rcdash
It's hard to say all the features are working when no one has yet tried them all out yet. Like traction control. I really want to hear what some of the local 350z guys with the ProEFI have to say about it first hand. Or what about CAN integration? What channels can it read? What kind of "protection maps" can you set up? What about METH injection? The features might all be there, but until real world experience comes back, then it's hard to evaluate for that use/feature.
And EVERY new product has issues that need to be tweaked and fixed. The ProEFI is not some magic device. A human is doing the programming and a human can make mistakes, and make improvements.
Here is one person reporting a problem for past 5 months with the ProEFI?
Just because no one is reporting bugs on a public forum, does not mean that the bugs don't exist. It sounds like most ProEFI users are getting good support after the sale, so that is positive.
And EVERY new product has issues that need to be tweaked and fixed. The ProEFI is not some magic device. A human is doing the programming and a human can make mistakes, and make improvements.
Here is one person reporting a problem for past 5 months with the ProEFI?
Just because no one is reporting bugs on a public forum, does not mean that the bugs don't exist. It sounds like most ProEFI users are getting good support after the sale, so that is positive.
/end ProEFI Ranting's eveyone. Let the product do the talking.
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
Your example is really a poor one in your defense. If the I phone was and had been in use for over 5 years by millions of people with a flawless hardware and software record, with little to no failures, and then was released to the general public with open software, would you then say "it doesn't have a proven track record"? This is actually a good analogy for ProEFI. There isn't anything you are going to do in a race car that is harder to do than a street car.... that is the bottom line. The ProEFI's hardware is CLEARLY more proven than any of it's competitors. So now we are down to any software changes they have made. As most all of us know, software doesn't change it's mind, it either works...or it doesn't, and so far every report from everyones personal experience has been that of excellent performance. 

BTW....iphone Gen1 and Gen2 even the mighty G3 is having problems.... This device was well tested...but as Raj stated...its man made....**** happens....but its how often things go wrong that counts.
Raj posted a few valid points about areas that have not been fully tested on this EMS.....but I wont go any further...because I am really in the center on this and dont want it to seem like I am bashing. Why would I bash? If the ProEFI proves itself.... it would only benifit me and other that are interested.
I am finished...I will just sit on the side lines and watch.
I think Intense has three good vehicle's in there shop right now that will show the true colors of the ProEFI 48-Unit and 128-Unit.
IIQuicksilverII's Z is going to be a beast running a Stage 5 Powerlab Kit w/ a 76S Turbo. Mazzoo's Z w/ the twin GT37R's, and a local customer's Nissan Skyline R34 V-Spec II w/ Twin HKS Turbos. Both Z's are getting 48-Units; while the Skyline is getting a 128-Unit with every option ProEFI has to offer. I am deffinetly excited to see the streetability as well as the trackability of all three of these cars. I have seen first hand what it can do on Saad Saad's 8-sec Supra. Time will tell folks....
IIQuicksilverII's Z is going to be a beast running a Stage 5 Powerlab Kit w/ a 76S Turbo. Mazzoo's Z w/ the twin GT37R's, and a local customer's Nissan Skyline R34 V-Spec II w/ Twin HKS Turbos. Both Z's are getting 48-Units; while the Skyline is getting a 128-Unit with every option ProEFI has to offer. I am deffinetly excited to see the streetability as well as the trackability of all three of these cars. I have seen first hand what it can do on Saad Saad's 8-sec Supra. Time will tell folks....
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Originally Posted by SlideFox
I think Intense has three good vehicle's in there shop right now that will show the true colors of the ProEFI 48-Unit and 128-Unit.
IIQuicksilverII's Z is going to be a beast running a Stage 5 Powerlab Kit w/ a 76S Turbo. Mazzoo's Z w/ the twin GT37R's, and a local customer's Nissan Skyline R34 V-Spec II w/ Twin HKS Turbos. Both Z's are getting 48-Units; while the Skyline is getting a 128-Unit with every option ProEFI has to offer. I am deffinetly excited to see the streetability as well as the trackability of all three of these cars. I have seen first hand what it can do on Saad Saad's 8-sec Supra. Time will tell folks....
IIQuicksilverII's Z is going to be a beast running a Stage 5 Powerlab Kit w/ a 76S Turbo. Mazzoo's Z w/ the twin GT37R's, and a local customer's Nissan Skyline R34 V-Spec II w/ Twin HKS Turbos. Both Z's are getting 48-Units; while the Skyline is getting a 128-Unit with every option ProEFI has to offer. I am deffinetly excited to see the streetability as well as the trackability of all three of these cars. I have seen first hand what it can do on Saad Saad's 8-sec Supra. Time will tell folks....
I have a house in Carefree and plan to be there for a few months starting in September....so I plan to do some visiting
Originally Posted by SlideFox
Raj, from what I saw posted... I think there is more to Glex's situation than meets the eye. From what I read, he was supposed to bring it back to his tuner, but from some reason refused to. I don't know the story, just what I read.
/end ProEFI Ranting's eveyone. Let the product do the talking.
/end ProEFI Ranting's eveyone. Let the product do the talking.
It's funny how everyone in Az seems to know about my situation when I'm all the way in the east coast. I wonder how they knew about my situation maybe it was cause I was in constant communication with the NE ProEFI dealer about my issues?
I was even willing to travel 14hrs to another PROefi dealer to get a second opinion(Chris and Larry @ SP) only to be told that the trip would be fruitless since all I needed were some updates.Which was done the same day I spoke with them by the NE ProEFI dealer and still the same thing.
As far as the remark that there is more than meets the eye, you damn skippy but I'm not here to create a fight/war whatever. I'm just happy my car is back in proper running condition, so take it as you like.
Ps.
What happened to the self learning so the car can run right?
or the safety features so you don't blow your car up or wash out your piston rings?
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Originally Posted by Glex25
It's funny how everyone in Az seems to know about my situation when I'm all the way in the east coast. I wonder how they knew about my situation maybe it was cause I was in constant communication with the NE ProEFI dealer about my issues?
I was even willing to travel 14hrs to another PROefi dealer to get a second opinion(Chris and Larry @ SP) only to be told that the trip would be fruitless since all I needed were some updates.Which was done the same day I spoke with them by the NE ProEFI dealer and still the same thing.
As far as the remark that there is more than meets the eye, you damn skippy but I'm not here to create a fight/war whatever. I'm just happy my car is back in proper running condition, so take it as you like.
Ps.
What happened to the self learning so the car can run right?
or the safety features so you don't blow your car up or wash out your piston rings?
I was even willing to travel 14hrs to another PROefi dealer to get a second opinion(Chris and Larry @ SP) only to be told that the trip would be fruitless since all I needed were some updates.Which was done the same day I spoke with them by the NE ProEFI dealer and still the same thing.
As far as the remark that there is more than meets the eye, you damn skippy but I'm not here to create a fight/war whatever. I'm just happy my car is back in proper running condition, so take it as you like.
Ps.
What happened to the self learning so the car can run right?
or the safety features so you don't blow your car up or wash out your piston rings?
Originally Posted by Glex25
It's funny how everyone in Az seems to know about my situation when I'm all the way in the east coast. I wonder how they knew about my situation maybe it was cause I was in constant communication with the NE ProEFI dealer about my issues?
I was even willing to travel 14hrs to another PROefi dealer to get a second opinion(Chris and Larry @ SP) only to be told that the trip would be fruitless since all I needed were some updates.Which was done the same day I spoke with them by the NE ProEFI dealer and still the same thing.
As far as the remark that there is more than meets the eye, you damn skippy but I'm not here to create a fight/war whatever. I'm just happy my car is back in proper running condition, so take it as you like.
Ps.
What happened to the self learning so the car can run right?
or the safety features so you don't blow your car up or wash out your piston rings?
I was even willing to travel 14hrs to another PROefi dealer to get a second opinion(Chris and Larry @ SP) only to be told that the trip would be fruitless since all I needed were some updates.Which was done the same day I spoke with them by the NE ProEFI dealer and still the same thing.
As far as the remark that there is more than meets the eye, you damn skippy but I'm not here to create a fight/war whatever. I'm just happy my car is back in proper running condition, so take it as you like.
Ps.
What happened to the self learning so the car can run right?
or the safety features so you don't blow your car up or wash out your piston rings?
Originally Posted by XKR
My point exactly....Time wll tell.
I have a house in Carefree and plan to be there for a few months starting in September....so I plan to do some visiting
I have a house in Carefree and plan to be there for a few months starting in September....so I plan to do some visiting
Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
there are 3 proefi dealers in your area...what about turbo people?
Only 2 listings for ProEFI dealer in the Tri-State Area.
Originally Posted by Glex25
....but I'm not here to create a fight/war whatever.
Ps.
What happened to the self learning so the car can run right?
or the safety features so you don't blow your car up or wash out your piston rings?
Ps.
What happened to the self learning so the car can run right?
or the safety features so you don't blow your car up or wash out your piston rings?
Darrrren(is reminded that there's 2 sides to every story...)




