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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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Yes, I got my built motor, built tranny, fuel return system, tranny cooler, etc all from SGP Racing in Houston, TX.
Dooood, you just keep hitting speed bumps!! I guess it'll make it all that much sweeter when it's done.
Old Aug 4, 2008 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Intense is still working on it. Completion date has been set back due to some unforeseen delays on projects ahead of mine, including Jorge's Z. Maybe Darren can help shed some light on when my car will be ready.

As for the RIP in my sig... That has been there a looong time. My '04 G got wrecked 2 years ago and was immediately replaced with the '06 I currently have.
Eric, the last time I was at the shop, Jorge's Z was getting his hart transplant done!
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Originally Posted by XKR
I am not saying that the Motec is more reliable than the OEM ECU.....How can I compare the 2? The OEM ECU cannot be used in a high performance platform....but the Motec can be used in a stock platform.

I could say....

The Motec is as reliable in the racing platform as the OEM ECU is in the stock setup.
I think you may have misunderstood what he meant by "an OEM ECU." He was not referring to the stock ECU that comes from the Nissan factory in our 350Z's. He was referring to the Pro-EFI which is an EOM computer developed and tested by Mototec/Motorola. The point of his post is that the testing and adherence to manufacturing guidelines when it is put into literally 1,000,000's of vehicles are much more stringent that what other aftermarket ECU's go through.

His comment was responding to your post about being unsure of the reliability.
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Hey, everyone..why dont we get back on topic and instead of arguing which EMS you think sucks, why dont you talk about which EMS you like and why(using personal experience as a ground point) Most of you guys are arguing about **** you don't even have no have personal experience on...and then your arguing about arguing about which ems's suck...lets try to come back to topic here and possible(doubtful)turn this into a useful thread instead of a pissing contest.
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Originally Posted by SlideFox
Dooood, you just keep hitting speed bumps!! I guess it'll make it all that much sweeter when it's done.
Everyone is taking care of me pretty well, so it's getting there. SGP has caused me some major headaches, but Mark is being cool about this and sent me another TC on Friday.

Originally Posted by rb26ina240
Did your Mototron/Pro-Efi tell you that you had a bad torque convertor and injector, it should have been able to compensate its a learning computer right
I know you were poking at the system, but in reality, yes it did find the problems, throw a CEL, shut off the boost, shut down the throttle, and limit the revs. It put me into a limp mode and a boost cut mode (not sure of the name) and when we got it to Jason, he was able to see that an injector was bad.

The TC issue was discovered by Jason a long time ago, but SGP wasn't very forthcoming with a replacement until Jason called them for me. They thought it was fine and we thought we could work around it. Now it seems that the TC in my tranny is possibly still stock (even though it should not be).
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Now it seems that the TC in my tranny is possibly still stock (even though it should not be).
, damm... that sucks...at least it seems like you got that taken care of
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
Microsoft gives us all excel...does that also mean we are all going to use it the same way? Are you now saying that Edelbrock's ecu has the same capabilities as the ProEFI? I'm not seeing even half of the capability listed on Edelbrocks site...or in their software. Never mind the fact that Edelebrock is one of the most successful aftermarket performance companies in the world, and could probably outright purchase motec, yet they chose to go with the same electronics as ProEFI did! Seems like someone at ProEFI made a pretty wise choice if that's the case.
their new ecu line using inferior boxes(motec stlye)? humm

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Originally Posted by mrg1981
Everyone is taking care of me pretty well, so it's getting there. SGP has caused me some major headaches, but Mark is being cool about this and sent me another TC on Friday.



I know you were poking at the system, but in reality, yes it did find the problems, throw a CEL, shut off the boost, shut down the throttle, and limit the revs. It put me into a limp mode and a boost cut mode (not sure of the name) and when we got it to Jason, he was able to see that an injector was bad.

The TC issue was discovered by Jason a long time ago, but SGP wasn't very forthcoming with a replacement until Jason called them for me. They thought it was fine and we thought we could work around it. Now it seems that the TC in my tranny is possibly still stock (even though it should not be).
I have had another TC built for a swap once I find the time and motivation.
Do you have transmission temp being logged or displayed? I would be very interested to know what kind of temps you run after a few runs.

I currently have the GTM-5AT and it is very high stall at 14 psi of boost (just under 5k rpms). It launches like crazy but the amount of heat generated is just unreal, even with a tranny cooler. It is probably perfect for drag racing, but not too good for road racing or the mountains (at ZdayZ, I had to keep the trans locked in 4th to keep temps below 240 degF ). I had Andre at Edge build me another one from an '06 with heat control in mind (more efficient, only slightly higher stall, higher STR).

What issue were you experiencing with your (possibly stock) TC? I was actually considering throwing a stock TC back in for comparison but decided it was safer to have Andre strengthen the internals at least. He wouldn't let me keep the stock stall either (he said I would be unhappy with it)... By the way, although the FSM states the stock stall is 2600-2900 rpms, he said that is in no way accurate and only possible with "cavitation", which he eliminates when he upgrades the TC. I didn't exactly understand what he was saying, but there you have it. Maybe some of this info is helpful as you rebuild your TC.

PS. No one else seems to run a 5AT temp gauge. The trans has 2 built in temp sensors, but I don't know of any solution that can read those over CAN. I've been bugging UpRev and Haltech to try to read those through CAN, but neither can at the moment. They figured out CAN for ECM stuff, so I don't know why decipering the TCM is so difficult. Can the ProEFI intrinsically decode all Nissan CAN channels or does Jason have to figure it out one by one? To make it worse, I'm afraid the CAN packets are likely different for different TCM versions across different models...

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Originally Posted by mrg1981
I think you may have misunderstood what he meant by "an OEM ECU." He was not referring to the stock ECU that comes from the Nissan factory in our 350Z's. He was referring to the Pro-EFI which is an EOM computer developed and tested by Mototec/Motorola. The point of his post is that the testing and adherence to manufacturing guidelines when it is put into literally 1,000,000's of vehicles are much more stringent that what other aftermarket ECU's go through.

His comment was responding to your post about being unsure of the reliability
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My point stays the same......The track record is not there as yet...I am sure it will get there....but its still in a infant stage. I am ONLY speaking for myself here....and once again....I am not trying to deny the potential of the ProEFI. At one time...I felt the same about the Motec

Firm example:::::: The iPhone! No one can deny its greatness. But I refuse to buy one until it had a track record and was proven....
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
This is actually a pretty reasonable post...well thought out. Are you trying to say that a motec ecu is more reliable than an OEM Ecu? If you are, then you simply do not understand what the OEM's DEMAND of their suppliers. Their failure rates are listed in the parts per MILLION. This sheet was included in my ProEFI. Post which one (if any of these tests the Motec would pass).
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I don't think XKR is just talking about just hardware reliability. He's talking about the EMS as a whole. Why are you so defensive? Motec don't have to prove anything and it is the new guys in the block that has to prove themselves. Let us wait until ProEFI fix all the bugs or have all the feature working before we all kiss their ****... Utec promised us so many things but look were they are now? Only time will tell so stop the nuthugging!! ProEFI does have so many promising feature a head of them and I myself is interested on what kind of EMS they will be once all the features are working.

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Originally Posted by athenG
I don't think XKR is just talking about just hardware reliability. He's talking about the EMS as a whole. Why are you so defensive? Motec don't have to prove anything and it is the new guys in the block that has to prove themselves. Let us wait until ProEFI fix all the bugs or have all the feature working before we all kiss their ****... Utec promised us so many things but look were they are now? Only time will tell so stop the nuthugging!! ProEFI does have so many promising feature a head of them and I myself is interested on what kind of EMS they will be once all the features are working.

Well said

Correct .....I am speaking about the EMS as a whole...You have made my point....the Motec has already been proven... Thanks.

Believe me.....I am watching the ProEFI very closely......so if this thing turns out to be more reliable than the V-Pro, I will install it.
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Originally Posted by XKR
Well said

Correct .....I am speaking about the EMS as a whole...You have made my point....the Motec has already been proven... Thanks.

Believe me.....I am watching the ProEFI very closely......so if this thing turns out to be more reliable than the V-Pro, I will install it.
I don't think people here know that you have a very fast Porsche that has alot of goodies in it..
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Doug where's your AV?
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Doug where's your AV?
check the sig part of my ongoing joke
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Originally Posted by doug
check the sig part of my ongoing joke
hahahahaha
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Originally Posted by SlideFox
Informative post....
Am I not correct in saying that?
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trevor.. you west indian?
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I don't think people here know that you have a very fast Porsche that has alot of goodies in it..
Whats up Doug.

You had me going with your RSX post.....

Hope things are going good.
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Whats up Doug.

You had me going with your RSX post.....

Hope things are going good.
things are going good man.. the RSX-S is pushing 280 whp right now..
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trevor.. you west indian?
If by West Indian you mean Jewish, yes.



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