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09-08-2011, 05:16 PM
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Don't jinx it!!!
But the haltech math is interesting:
Uprev is 700 bucks out of the gate plus tuning it (let's call it 1000). Then there's the upgraded maf when you go anywhere near 400hp... So thats probably 500 if someone else installs it (sorry rounding a bit i dont remember what the device Costs). Then there's the installation and potential retune (depending on your order of doing things) then there's a cipher cable which is about 200. A nice to have, most will agree. And then we need a boost controller so assuming you go a decent route that's about 800 bucks for purchase and install.
Lo is a priceless commodity, no doubt about it. A magician as already described... But the haltech... Despite its daunting price tag... Is a compelling option especially as numbers start to creep into the 5-600s.
Uprev says they can tune cars up to 1200 hp- which is undoubtedly true... But as I'm learning there's a lot of extra equipment to purchase while youre at it.
I'm still pro uprev... But I'm "seeing" haltech a bit differently now. Provided of course that the guy working on it knows what he's about!
But the haltech math is interesting:
Uprev is 700 bucks out of the gate plus tuning it (let's call it 1000). Then there's the upgraded maf when you go anywhere near 400hp... So thats probably 500 if someone else installs it (sorry rounding a bit i dont remember what the device Costs). Then there's the installation and potential retune (depending on your order of doing things) then there's a cipher cable which is about 200. A nice to have, most will agree. And then we need a boost controller so assuming you go a decent route that's about 800 bucks for purchase and install.
Lo is a priceless commodity, no doubt about it. A magician as already described... But the haltech... Despite its daunting price tag... Is a compelling option especially as numbers start to creep into the 5-600s.
Uprev says they can tune cars up to 1200 hp- which is undoubtedly true... But as I'm learning there's a lot of extra equipment to purchase while youre at it.
I'm still pro uprev... But I'm "seeing" haltech a bit differently now. Provided of course that the guy working on it knows what he's about!
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Sorry- not trying to sway you either way... Moreover I'm just thinking out loud. Most of the times I see guys talking about the cost it's 700... But there's more to it-
I saw an "it's alive" update on intecs fb page... I can't view the video here... Is that yours?
I saw an "it's alive" update on intecs fb page... I can't view the video here... Is that yours?
09-09-2011, 04:38 PM
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o i know im just saying. people with haltech still have to shell out the $700 for osiris to get there stock ecu set up to get the haltech working properly. na thats joes G he did some hose deletes and new turbos lines and stuff and the pathfinder mod
09-10-2011, 09:14 AM
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on a side note dont most people who have a haltech still run a boost controller anyways aswell?
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nah, it's not overkill. Haltech isn't just about numbers it's about ease of use and tunability. If i was doing a big NA build i would probably still use a haltech. I have a logger, dual wideband, boost controller, and tuner all in 1 thing. No mix and match. It has other things that the stock ecu doesn't do. adjustable air temp fuel maps, post start enrichment maps, adjustable timing vs air temp maps. It opens up so many features that the stock ecu falls short of and it's so simple to tune with. I used osiris for a year and it's by far the hardest of all things to tune with.
The all in 1 feature is just so nice. The fact that i can log without having to hook up a computer. I just set the parameter that starts the logger in the haltech and it does the job. that means i can check the logs later for anything i've previously done.
and no, i'm pretty sure everyone uses the haltech built in boost controller since you can adjust it for duty cycle, boost per mph, boost per slip, or basically boost verses any parameter that the haltech can see. It has features that would cost 500-700$ for a boost controller not just the simple "duty cycle" boost controllers (that still cost 300$ at the cheapest ones). It's very versatile and simple to setup.
I do see your issue with not having a tuner around. I'm not sure the nearest haltech tuner to you up in the northwest and that's an issue if you do'nt plan on tuning yourself. although, i will add that any competent tuner would easily be able to adjust timing and fuel on a haltech without having any knowledge of the features of it. Those maps are simple to adjust.
The all in 1 feature is just so nice. The fact that i can log without having to hook up a computer. I just set the parameter that starts the logger in the haltech and it does the job. that means i can check the logs later for anything i've previously done.
and no, i'm pretty sure everyone uses the haltech built in boost controller since you can adjust it for duty cycle, boost per mph, boost per slip, or basically boost verses any parameter that the haltech can see. It has features that would cost 500-700$ for a boost controller not just the simple "duty cycle" boost controllers (that still cost 300$ at the cheapest ones). It's very versatile and simple to setup.
I do see your issue with not having a tuner around. I'm not sure the nearest haltech tuner to you up in the northwest and that's an issue if you do'nt plan on tuning yourself. although, i will add that any competent tuner would easily be able to adjust timing and fuel on a haltech without having any knowledge of the features of it. Those maps are simple to adjust.
09-10-2011, 10:18 AM
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nah, it's not overkill. Haltech isn't just about numbers it's about ease of use and tunability. If i was doing a big NA build i would probably still use a haltech. I have a logger, dual wideband, boost controller, and tuner all in 1 thing. No mix and match. It has other things that the stock ecu doesn't do. adjustable air temp fuel maps, post start enrichment maps, adjustable timing vs air temp maps. It opens up so many features that the stock ecu falls short of and it's so simple to tune with. I used osiris for a year and it's by far the hardest of all things to tune with.
The all in 1 feature is just so nice. The fact that i can log without having to hook up a computer. I just set the parameter that starts the logger in the haltech and it does the job. that means i can check the logs later for anything i've previously done.
and no, i'm pretty sure everyone uses the haltech built in boost controller since you can adjust it for duty cycle, boost per mph, boost per slip, or basically boost verses any parameter that the haltech can see. It has features that would cost 500-700$ for a boost controller not just the simple "duty cycle" boost controllers (that still cost 300$ at the cheapest ones). It's very versatile and simple to setup.
I do see your issue with not having a tuner around. I'm not sure the nearest haltech tuner to you up in the northwest and that's an issue if you do'nt plan on tuning yourself. although, i will add that any competent tuner would easily be able to adjust timing and fuel on a haltech without having any knowledge of the features of it. Those maps are simple to adjust.
The all in 1 feature is just so nice. The fact that i can log without having to hook up a computer. I just set the parameter that starts the logger in the haltech and it does the job. that means i can check the logs later for anything i've previously done.
and no, i'm pretty sure everyone uses the haltech built in boost controller since you can adjust it for duty cycle, boost per mph, boost per slip, or basically boost verses any parameter that the haltech can see. It has features that would cost 500-700$ for a boost controller not just the simple "duty cycle" boost controllers (that still cost 300$ at the cheapest ones). It's very versatile and simple to setup.
I do see your issue with not having a tuner around. I'm not sure the nearest haltech tuner to you up in the northwest and that's an issue if you do'nt plan on tuning yourself. although, i will add that any competent tuner would easily be able to adjust timing and fuel on a haltech without having any knowledge of the features of it. Those maps are simple to adjust.
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there probably are people running separate boost controllers but they are wasting money. Chances are they had them before the haltech and just didn't convert over. Haltech boost controller is so easy to adjust and the boost verses anything maps you can setup are just priceless.
it also has knock threshold maps as well as knock control where it will pull timing or whatever you want if it detects a certain level of knock.
it also has knock threshold maps as well as knock control where it will pull timing or whatever you want if it detects a certain level of knock.
09-10-2011, 04:03 PM
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ha ,haltech wasnt enough for my build. its missing alot of basic safety features needed on a high strung engine 
Their new I/O box will hopefully address that though.
most people run external boost control solenoids over the 22psi internal one in the haltech.. Thats probably what you are thinking of. Not external boost controllers. thats 80$ vs 400$
Their new I/O box will hopefully address that though.most people run external boost control solenoids over the 22psi internal one in the haltech.. Thats probably what you are thinking of. Not external boost controllers. thats 80$ vs 400$
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ha ,haltech wasnt enough for my build. its missing alot of basic safety features needed on a high strung engine Their new I/O box will hopefully address that though.
most people run external boost control solenoids over the 22psi internal one in the haltech.. Thats probably what you are thinking of. Not external boost controllers. thats 80$ vs 400$
Their new I/O box will hopefully address that though.most people run external boost control solenoids over the 22psi internal one in the haltech.. Thats probably what you are thinking of. Not external boost controllers. thats 80$ vs 400$
09-11-2011, 12:08 PM
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Could be Im outa town atm for a big hot rod show at the beach ill see if I can dig it up when I get back tonight. Almost positive it was a full external boost controller tho
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nah, it's not overkill. Haltech isn't just about numbers it's about ease of use and tunability. If i was doing a big NA build i would probably still use a haltech. I have a logger, dual wideband, boost controller, and tuner all in 1 thing. No mix and match. It has other things that the stock ecu doesn't do. adjustable air temp fuel maps, post start enrichment maps, adjustable timing vs air temp maps. It opens up so many features that the stock ecu falls short of and it's so simple to tune with. I used osiris for a year and it's by far the hardest of all things to tune with.
The all in 1 feature is just so nice. The fact that i can log without having to hook up a computer. I just set the parameter that starts the logger in the haltech and it does the job. that means i can check the logs later for anything i've previously done.
and no, i'm pretty sure everyone uses the haltech built in boost controller since you can adjust it for duty cycle, boost per mph, boost per slip, or basically boost verses any parameter that the haltech can see. It has features that would cost 500-700$ for a boost controller not just the simple "duty cycle" boost controllers (that still cost 300$ at the cheapest ones). It's very versatile and simple to setup.
I do see your issue with not having a tuner around. I'm not sure the nearest haltech tuner to you up in the northwest and that's an issue if you do'nt plan on tuning yourself. although, i will add that any competent tuner would easily be able to adjust timing and fuel on a haltech without having any knowledge of the features of it. Those maps are simple to adjust.
The all in 1 feature is just so nice. The fact that i can log without having to hook up a computer. I just set the parameter that starts the logger in the haltech and it does the job. that means i can check the logs later for anything i've previously done.
and no, i'm pretty sure everyone uses the haltech built in boost controller since you can adjust it for duty cycle, boost per mph, boost per slip, or basically boost verses any parameter that the haltech can see. It has features that would cost 500-700$ for a boost controller not just the simple "duty cycle" boost controllers (that still cost 300$ at the cheapest ones). It's very versatile and simple to setup.
I do see your issue with not having a tuner around. I'm not sure the nearest haltech tuner to you up in the northwest and that's an issue if you do'nt plan on tuning yourself. although, i will add that any competent tuner would easily be able to adjust timing and fuel on a haltech without having any knowledge of the features of it. Those maps are simple to adjust.
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Thom on the forums here had an AEM truboost boost controller with his g35 that was mid 600hp and he switched over to a proEFI which has a very nice built in boost controller. I think it was the better part of a year before he actually switched over to use the proEFI boost controller over the aem one. Sometimes people just don't have the time to spend to switch over.
You won't find a 400$ boost controller that will do boost by speed, or any other of the 100's of things that haltech can log so there is no comparison.
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There is no way to hook aftermarket wideband or boost controllers into uprev. If the tuner was to adjust your boost controller he would have to adjust that separate the uprev software either with software from that boost controller (if used) or by adjusting the controller with dials or however it is adjusted.
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ya, timing and fuel. Stock ecu doesn't have boost or wideband (unless 04.5). The 04.5 have wideband but they are junk to tune with. They only read down to 11.25 a/f so no tuner would rely on cheap stock widebands to tune.
09-11-2011, 10:16 PM
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hmm, ill find out a little more about it this week when i head up there. he doesnt seem to think its a hastle at all, and he manually dials in the boost controller while tuning (mines mounted right in the cubby above the headunit easy access)
thanks to midz!
