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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by navybulldog68
I have a 2003 Brickyard Touring Automatic with 21000 miles on the car. My original rear tires were shot at 15000 miles. There was no abnormal wear on them, just worn down to the wear bars. Kept 40 lbs of air in them as per advice of Firestone tire tech. Original front tires lasted 9500 miles before being replaced by Nissan. New front tires now have 11500 miles on them. Kept 40 lbs of air in them also. Tire wear was ok tilll I got lazy and quit checking air pressure. At last oil change air pressurewas found to be about 34 lbs and tire wear had started again. It looks like if you keep a good alignment on the car and bump up the air pressure to 40 the tires will last longer. These REO 040's dont come with any tread wear waranty. They are rated below 200 for tread wear by the government. What this means to you is this. They stick like hell in the summer but leave a lot of rubber behind. Theay also need you to check the air pressure very regulary and make sure you keep your car in alignment. Add to this the Nissan factor of the car being very alignment sensitive at the least and you have a reciepe for early tire wear in some peoples mind. I for one feel very fortate to get 15000 miles out of the 040's. I believe Nissan could and should do something to make the alingment bettor but barring that if you love your car pay attention to it and dont just drive it. I wonder how many of these complainers even check the air in there tires once a month. That said I love my Z and I am willing to deal with the problem, even though I think Nissan is not doing this right. There, I've said my piece and stirred up the water so now I'LL sit back and be prepared to be called all kinds of names. Thanks, Navybulldog
Thanks for the info. I usually run around 35 I think. I haven't paid close attention to the tire pressure. I will bump it up to 40 because I still have slight feathering on both the inside and outside tread blocks. I wont know if it helps until later this spring because the Z is in the garage unit winter breaks.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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82 Z28, 89 Supra, 91 Talon

I put 110k on the Talon and only had 3 sets of tires. Never had a problem

I drive this car on the interstates and highways mostly and hardly EVER go over 80. I drive it as if it were an accord and that is what really makes me mad.

I also had to replace both the pads and the rotors on this car at 20k on the front and 25k on the rear. Again I drive almost like a grandma and that is completely unacceptable. Nissan tells me that is normal.

The car rides like a stagecoach. Again, normal.

Just about every latch on the interior is broken.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Satchel


I also had to replace both the pads and the rotors on this car at 20k on the front and 25k on the rear. [/B]
Rotors at 20K? That doesn't seem right. On my previous car I replaced the front rotors at 120,000 and never replaced the rears (sold it not much further after). Take into mind that it wasn't a true sportcar, but I was a teen when I got it.

I have the original rear tires at 18,2XX miles and probably can get 5000-6000 more miles out of the rears. I don't really do burn outs, but I have fun driving. The front tires were replaced at 12,000. I haven't heard the growl yet, but it'll probably come back.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Satchel
82 Z28, 89 Supra, 91 Talon


I put 110k on the Talon and only had 3 sets of tires. Never had a problem

I drive this car on the interstates and highways mostly and hardly EVER go over 80. I drive it as if it were an accord and that is what really makes me mad.

I also had to replace both the pads and the rotors on this car at 20k on the front and 25k on the rear. Again I drive almost like a grandma and that is completely unacceptable. Nissan tells me that is normal.

The car rides like a stagecoach. Again, normal.

Just about every latch on the interior is broken.
Hit the track or some back road twisties. Freeway commuting is thought to aggravate the problem. Feathering occurs as a result of the toe angle with the forward path of the car. If the front tires are both slightly pointing outward as the car rolls straight forward the instead edge tread blocks are preferentially worn. If straight line driving is the only type of wear the tires are subjected to, and the alignemt is not right, they will feather rapidly.

However, the wear is entirely different under hard cornering. I can tell from my personal experience that the feathering subsides substantially after I drive aggressively on curvy roads.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Satchel
82 Z28, 89 Supra, 91 Talon

I put 110k on the Talon and only had 3 sets of tires. Never had a problem

Do you think any of these cars compare to the performance of the 350Z? Think about the handling characteristics and also the type of tires on each car. Not to mention the Talon was fwd.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by pulpz2
Do you think any of these cars compare to the performance of the 350Z? Think about the handling characteristics and also the type of tires on each car. Not to mention the Talon was fwd.
I don't really care about the perfomance of the Z and I'm not going to take it to the track and run it just so it wil work like it is supposed to.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Satchel
I don't really care about the perfomance of the Z and I'm not going to take it to the track and run it just so it wil work like it is supposed to.
Why the h@ll did you buy the car then???
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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I liked the way it looked, and last time I checked that was my choice to do so. I understood it wasn't going to be economical, but this is ridiculous.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 11:43 AM
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I owed a 1994 RX7 that I qualify as more of a race car than our plushy Z's... It NEVER had feathering problems like the Z has. Honestly don't get me wrong I like the Z for all around use, however the RX-7 was an unrefined beast in comparision.
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Originally posted by Satchel
I've had several sports cars and never had this problem or anything equivocal. Good for you if you can afford to have this as a second car. I can't.

I do not have the settings as I work about 70 hours a week and don't really have the time for all of that. I HAVE to trust Nissan to treat me fairly and they haven't.

So anyway, you guys can take it in the *** from Nissan and like it all you want. I'm not going to stand for it. Luckily the lawyers agree
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 03:59 PM
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I had a 93' rx7 and agree with you. I aligned the car when I bought Tires and that was it. New tires every couple of years.

I laugh when someone talks about how harsh the ride is in thier Z.

I owed a 1994 RX7 that I qualify as more of a race car than our plushy Z's... It NEVER had feathering problems like the Z has. Honestly don't get me wrong I like the Z for all around use, however the RX-7 was an unrefined beast in comparision.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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I had a 1993 RX7TT and you guys are right it was a go-kart. That sucker would fly. I didn't like the fact that some of the coating chipped off of some of the trim on the inside, kind of cheap, but that was my only complaint. It is also a real good looking car. I had one of the first ones in Atlanta and I took the Mazda emblems off and people would ask me at gas stations if it was the new Ferarri I alway said yes if she was good looking
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by pulpz2
Do you have your alignment data sheets? If so can you post the data?


I understand your fustration about the problem but at the same time when you own a car like this (or any for that matter) you have to take ownership inthe problems. Don't accept some service puke saying "Its all fixed sir!" and believe it.
Nissan said they aligned it to the new specs, and the feathering problem did not go away. I asked for a copy of the specs, and they said (since they outsourced the alignments at that time, but since got an alignment machine in their shop) that they didn't have the specs to show me.

Has anyone been able to actually correct this problem through alignment alone? If so, how do I take care of this? I don't want a refund on my Z, I just want a solution that works.

I wouldn't even mind replacing the tires every 10 to 15 thou, but the feathering is really upsetting, because it sounds really really bad, and makes my brakes feel like they are grinding all the time.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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Question on the 40 lbs? Are you talking 40 lbs "COLD"? I'm going to up my air pressure to 40 lbs. I had them at 36 lbs and just notice the other day with the cold weather they are 32 lbs first thing in the morning, but after a couple of miles they are up to 35 lbs and after 10 miles on the freeway they are up to 36 lbs.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:00 PM
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has anyone heard what caused tire feathering in the first place?
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by Pit Bull
I had a 1993 RX7TT and you guys are right it was a go-kart. That sucker would fly. I didn't like the fact that some of the coating chipped off of some of the trim on the inside, kind of cheap, but that was my only complaint. It is also a real good looking car. I had one of the first ones in Atlanta and I took the Mazda emblems off and people would ask me at gas stations if it was the new Ferarri I alway said yes if she was good looking
Do you want tire problems or turbo problems???
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by msims
Nissan said they aligned it to the new specs, and the feathering problem did not go away. I asked for a copy of the specs, and they said (since they outsourced the alignments at that time, but since got an alignment machine in their shop) that they didn't have the specs to show me.

Has anyone been able to actually correct this problem through alignment alone? If so, how do I take care of this? I don't want a refund on my Z, I just want a solution that works.

I wouldn't even mind replacing the tires every 10 to 15 thou, but the feathering is really upsetting, because it sounds really really bad, and makes my brakes feel like they are grinding all the time.
You are being too cooperative. It’s a problem. They should be willing to give you the data sheet. If they told me I couldn’t have it I would come unglued. Its your car, its your alignment, own it. And own anybody that touches your car. It’s your ****in Z. If some punk tells you that you don’t have the right to know what’s happened to your car while they serviced it then you better have real problem with it. Bottom line is, you worked hard to make that car yours, and they better work hard to make it right. And it’s your job to make sure that happens. Know what is supposed to happen, and know what does happen. Get the data, know what it is supposed to be, and don’t accept anything less.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by un7oucha8le
has anyone heard what caused tire feathering in the first place?
Incorrect alignment
Unaggressive driving(hit the twisties!)
Low tire pressure
Tires with outside tread blocks that wear poorly


And some are suggesting that the caster angle is too great. But no one has come back with any definitive data on this. Nismo suspension supposedly gets rid of it altogether.

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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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oh ok. I just heard today from a fleet manager that the reason it was started in the first place was due to the way they were shipped. But yeah since they were in the big crates and when they lowered them, it caused the front frame to bend itself, which caused the feathering. but yeah anyone else hear this from any dealer or anyone?

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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by un7oucha8le
oh ok. I just heard today from a fleet manager that the reason it was started in the first place was due to the way they were shipped. But yeah since they were in the big crates and when they lowered them, it caused the front frame to bend itself, which caused the feathering. but yeah anyone else hear this from any dealer or anyone?

-Mark
What about JDM/ Is this just an international problem?
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by un7oucha8le
oh ok. I just heard today from a fleet manager that the reason it was started in the first place was due to the way they were shipped. But yeah since they were in the big crates and when they lowered them, it caused the front frame to bend itself, which caused the feathering. but yeah anyone else hear this from any dealer or anyone?

-Mark
And if that is true. The lawyers have the case locked up.
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