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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by ChinaClipper
Boomer, Shadowrwr already had the TSB at 7,000 miles, so Nissan has already applied the TSB to his car once. I don't think they will apply a TSB twice to the same car.

Not surprising, I think - my rear tires are illustrated below. I took them off after 20,000 miles and the bars are not showing just yet (though they are close)! That 20,000 miles included a Track Day at Hallett in September, and a Drivers Ed event at Motorsports Ranch in August.
OK, I misread his post. However, several owners have had their dealers replace their front tires after 15, 000 miles. You have more tread on your back tires than many, fortune must be smiling on you.
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 08:26 AM
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Okay so i just got my car back on friday after leaving it with them all day and the only thing they did was replace my tires. Not even an alignment, 8 hours and they only replace tires. Well this is the second time the front tires have been replaced, first time at 7,000 miles, second 15,000. Well i also noticed my back tires had developed the problem too. They were worn from the inside out. there was only about 2 inches of tread left on the outer side of the rear tires. I dont know how i didnt notice this but i finally did and it was to late. Well the dealership charged me for the rear tires and replaced the front for free. They claim that i must be driving the car like a nut and burning rubber all the time for the back tires to do that. Well i know for a fact that only once, and i mean once, i decided to throw off the vdc and spin it, and this was after the tires were bald, because i knew i couldnt hurt them anymore. Another thing is, if it is an alignment issue they only masked the problem instead of fixing the problem. Im in a big arguement with the dealer and NNA, so ill see what happens. So, what i want to know is if anyone else has had this problem with the rear tires?
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The problem was obviously apparent for the front tires since it's your second set. Why would they deny a claim that the same problem occured for your rear tires and and up charging you for them? This doesn't sound right! I think you should fight this. IMO
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 01:55 PM
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New to the 350Z, just wondering if there wasn't a "problem" how many miles would you guys expect to get from the OEM 18 inch tires? Fronts? Rears?
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Pit Bull
New to the 350Z, just wondering if there wasn't a "problem" how many miles would you guys expect to get from the OEM 18 inch tires? Fronts? Rears?
See previous post on preceding page .
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Old Oct 19, 2003 | 02:29 PM
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I agree, 15K miles on ultra performance tires would be pretty good. I would think some people that drove hard would only get 10K miles and the ones that baby it would get 18-19K. Nissan is being real nice replacing tires on anything over 4-6K miles. I could see them doing an alignment check at 8K miles but I bet a lot of the feathering problem is with this brand of tire. I had a 91 Acura NSX that would eat a set of rear tires every 10-15K miles depending on how you drove it and the fronts every 15K-20K miles. Comes with the high performance sports car territory. Not saying that there is not an alignment problem but after that is fixed and if they gave you a couple of new tires I would think you would be on your own after 15K miles.

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Old Oct 20, 2003 | 12:55 AM
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Pit Bull,
I have 9200 on mine and the fronts, for a Z, are wearing fairly evenly. The car was aligned at 1700 and since then there has been no apparent problem. You can bet I check frequently for feathering. The rears seem brand new; hardly any noticable wear...I will have the alignment checked at the next oil change (10K, and at every oil change). I also over inflate the tires, I have 36psi in all four!
To be honest, I can't wait for the tires to go so I can replace them with Michelins.
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Old Oct 20, 2003 | 02:57 AM
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Road and Track replaced their tires at 19K (on their long term 350z test car) with no feathering problems (that I have heard).
Please keep in mind NOT everyone is having this 'problem'... so there MUST be something that differs between a car with the problem and one without (or it is just driving conditions or 'habits'). And there are people with 'old' cars without the problem.
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Old Oct 20, 2003 | 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by jeffa55
Road and Track replaced their tires at 19K (on their long term 350z test car) with no feathering problems (that I have heard).
Please keep in mind NOT everyone is having this 'problem'... so there MUST be something that differs between a car with the problem and one without (or it is just driving conditions or 'habits'). And there are people with 'old' cars without the problem.
If you see the full NSB that the dealer prints out it calls out 2 specific VIN ranges. So appearently Nissan knows which cars fall into this category. If we only knew how.
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Old Oct 20, 2003 | 06:33 AM
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Pit Bull,
I have 9200 on mine and the fronts, for a Z, are wearing fairly evenly. The car was aligned at 1700 and since then there has been no apparent problem. You can bet I check frequently for feathering. The rears seem brand new; hardly any noticable wear...I will have the alignment checked at the next oil change (10K, and at every oil change). I also over inflate the tires, I have 36psi in all four!
To be honest, I can't wait for the tires to go so I can replace them with Michelins.
Lew
Mine came with 36psi in them and I will keep them at that pressure. How often do you have them balanced? My Z was made in 5/03, sounds like I just need to keep a close eye on the tires and I will, thanks to you guys and this great web site. I read on another thread that the dealer put Michelins on one of the members Z to eliminate the feathering problem. Really gives an owner an advantage when he has all this information available.

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Old Oct 20, 2003 | 09:04 AM
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Is there any fix yet? I've been reading this thread for about 2 months now. I noticed the feathering by hand, but not by sound about two months ago. A service guy at the dealership said I had the feathering and they could align and swap tires. He said they would scrape my rims by swaping the tires, so I said don't do it yet. I didn't have much road noise then, but now between 40-50 mph it is really annoying. The only thing that seems to fix it is different tires like the S03's or Michelins. Should I request new tires even though they'll probably give me re040's and not fix the problem?
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Old Oct 20, 2003 | 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by MatthewZ
If you see the full NSB that the dealer prints out it calls out 2 specific VIN ranges. So appearently Nissan knows which cars fall into this category. If we only knew how.
Hey, do you know where one can get the NSB? It would be good to know for sure it only effects car's with a certian VIN. Can anyone confirm?
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Old Oct 21, 2003 | 09:53 AM
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The original NSB that specified the ranges of VIN's affected has been proven to be invalid and Nissan has had to (attempt) fix a lot more cars after the original list was posted. My car for a fact is not listed on the NSB range but it has been worked on twice for the problem and is getting new tires this week.
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Old Oct 21, 2003 | 09:57 AM
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To answer your original question though, you can see the TSB in the Resources section on this site at:

https://my350z.com/forum/forumdispla...s=&forumid=106

Look for TSB titled "2003 350Z; tire road noise when braking "
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 12:43 AM
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Pit Bull:
I have yet to have my tires rebalanced. I do a great deal of highway driving and there is no evidence of the balanace being off in any way.
Lew
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 06:41 AM
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I just got a call from my Customer Service Representative, and she said NNA has authorized new front tires for me under warranty. I'm @ around 12,500 miles The tires are on backorder, so it might be a while. I asked her what was up with this issue (not in those words), and of course she put it on Bridgestone, and said the tires are probably not an adequate compound for our car. Nissan should have put the dang Michelins on our cars that they put on theirs. Ah well...I'm getting 2 new tires soon - that will soon be replaced with 19" Michelin Pilot Sports that I already have..... as soon as I get some wheels.
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 10:40 AM
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Howdy all.. This is my first post on the Z forum, I found this because I was looking for answers on this "feathering" issue.

I have a Touring model. After about 4k, it started to ride like I was driving over a washboard. So I complained about it at my 6k oil change. Initially... now get this, my jackass dealership just rotated the tires just like it was any other car and sent me back out on my way. This didnt work out real well as the front tires, which were previously on the rear, didnt have enough room to turn all the way, and scraped the hell out my wheel wells. So they put them back the way they were and didnt rotate them. Sent me on my way.

Next oil change (9k), I complained about the road noise again, so they realigned and did the tire break down/side-2-side swap. Sent me on my angry way once again

12k oil change was Monday, they tell me 'Those tires.. they dont look too good.", "You must be having fun driving the car that fast", etc, etc... And essentially that I should buy a new set (NOT!)

This all has propmpted me to investigate this through our old friend, the web, leading me here.

My front tires are severely scalloped to the point where the noise sucks, the ride sucks, and I can see the drop in my gas milage. The back tires are supposed worn evenly (I havent looked yet), bars showing, but not all the way to the bar. I'm waiting to hear back from the dealer service as to whether they used the new alignment/toe-in specs when they did the alignment, as they seem fairly uninformed and oblivious. They already said the back tires are my responsibility, I'm waiting for verdict on the front, and what they intend to do as a solution.

Readin thru the posts in this thread, I noticed there is no concerted action being propsed. Might I make a suggestion?

Eveyone on this thread should goto the NHTSA Site and file a complaint, give as many details as you see fit. I suggest eveyone do so under the 'Vehicle' complaint type, not the 'Tires' type as they are not the problem only a result of defective OEM vehicle equipment and/or specs. I filed mine under the 'Suspension: Front" component type.

I've talked to the National Highway Traffic Saftey Administration. They assure me that Defect Investigations are launched as a direct result of registered complaints. In this dissatified person's opion, once a Defect Investigation is started, Nissan will be pressured to begin accepting responibility and implement a solution or a recall.

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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 12:34 PM
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Well I had my car into the dealer today and they are going to do the TSB for the front tires. So I asked them.... I am still going to have road noise because my tires are not still going to have the wear and will still make noise right? They looked at me with a funny face and said to call and complain to nissan. I did this and opened up a case with them. I am just waiting to pick up the car and find the noise is still there call nissan again and ask them to replace the tires. If nissan will not replace the tires i have another way of getting them replaced by the dealer. When the tire issue first came up on the board I brough my car to the dealer to check the alignment. They proceeded to test drive it and told me there was no need. So i am going to press the dealer if I find out my front was out.

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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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Just talked to dealer, getting 4 new Michelins, feathering started at 3K. $1200 cost to Nissan. front and back alignment were out.
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 05:32 PM
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Mrice
Is your car an 04? It has a tire problem?
Is this the first 2004 car we have seen with the tire problem???? t Mark
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Old Oct 22, 2003 | 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by perauto1
Mrice
Is your car an 04? It has a tire problem?
Is this the first 2004 car we have seen with the tire problem???? t Mark


*sigh* I think it's the first and I'm sure not the last.

$**t!!! I want my deposit back!
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