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Old Jan 10, 2004 | 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by ezchief
Check if they are the REO 92 All Weather. I believe they are 220 rated. Tire Rack does not show a size to fit the rear 17" wheels. I can see NNA having this be the fix and realize "Oops, no match for the rears. Well who cares, put the 040's on the rear!"
i was at work and could not check about the data on the tires but what you wrote was exactly right. my fronts are now the bridges reo 92 and they did not replace the rears however my rears appear fine. the tread is even and there is no noise what-so-ever. like i said before i am drifting right very minimally, mostly road related (dont think i want to mess with the tsb that some have said have screwed their steering wheel). my plan, since i love driving the z so much, is to have them flopped from side to side every other oil change, and have the alignment checked. compared to a passenger car that can afford rotation from front to rear and vice versa, this aint so bad. while there are problems with this car, especially with the tire wear and the OG tires, people have to realize that they did not buy a 100,000 mile honda, huyudai, etc. to get the max life out of these tires and suspension, one has to be pro-active and get the settings re-adjusted every 6 months or so.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 01:55 AM
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Just get your Z aligned right, and you will have no problems..

God, when are you people going to stop?
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by CottonWoodz
Just get your Z aligned right, and you will have no problems..

God, when are you people going to stop?

Some of us have had the Z realigned FOUR times - still the problem exisists. So no I'm not going to stop untill they get it F'n right.


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I drove the LL's Z all weekend. She still pulls to the right all over the place. I had 6 people drive it last night on a Zero crown road. Every person said the same - we're having to pull on the wheel with the left hand to keep it straight. So this would be the 4th alignment and the 2nd control arm that they've replaced. I'm going to call the BBB and infrom them I'm not happy with the "Final" repair work signed off by NNA Rep C. Smith.

I can not handle this any more. I've had the car for a year 1/25/04 and been in for service way way to much.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by kbsig106
Some of us have had the Z realigned FOUR times - still the problem exisists. So no I'm not going to stop untill they get it F'n right.


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I drove the LL's Z all weekend. She still pulls to the right all over the place. I had 6 people drive it last night on a Zero crown road. Every person said the same - we're having to pull on the wheel with the left hand to keep it straight. So this would be the 4th alignment and the 2nd control arm that they've replaced. I'm going to call the BBB and infrom them I'm not happy with the "Final" repair work signed off by NNA Rep C. Smith.

I can not handle this any more. I've had the car for a year 1/25/04 and been in for service way way to much.
This is the same problem that I'm currently on. They tried swapping the tires to see if this would work because my tech is determined that it's the tires. Well guess what , IT'S STILL PULLING. Well, he still want's to repalce my front tires to see if it will solve the problem. Unfortunately as you all know it's on back order so it's been several months of waiting. And of course now, I'm getting the symptoms for Tire Feathering.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 09:00 AM
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The TSB that calls for a 'tire swap' is ludacris. I would not accept that as a viable solution from your dealer. Tell them you want NEW tires. Do not accept the TSB swap. If you have to, go all the way to the general manager of the dealership to get your car properly serviced.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by kbsig106
Nissan has certified that my Z has been completely repaired under the State of Florida LL process. So here's the run down:


The dealership called me yesterday afternoon to infrom me the required repairs were completed and she ran down the work order w/ me. Here's what was reported (I'll scan the actual report tonight):

1) Check for vibration in rear of vehicle. NNA rep test drove and found cupping on the rear tires. Replace rear tires with OEM. Ok'd by C. Smith

2) Check for customer hears single knock from right front when going from park to reverse while wheel is turned. NNA rep found a internal failure with the right front compression rod. Rod was first replaced on 8/23/03 - needs to be replaced again. Good at this time. Ok'd by C. Smith

3) Check for vehicle pulls to right and steering wheel is off center. NNA rep found excessive play. Completed alignment. Inspected by C. Smith - ok'd


So folks - that's it. I have my Z back. So here's my impressions even though my left wrist is broken (in a cast). The Z seems to be tight and she's drving straight for the time being. The wheel hop is gone and my steering wheel is straight - but the damn rattle from the rear view mirror is all of a sudden here. The true test will be in about 6 months if the problems resurface.

Since this was the "final" repair - if the same problems resurface, NNA does not have the option for another "final" repair. We pretty much go staright to settlement per BBB and Attorney General. This can happen any time between now and 1/25/05. So I have 12 months to figure out if he problem returns. I have new rubber on the front and the back (about 700 miles apart in age). So, the road noise should come back (cupping) if the rapairs do not hold up.

I've had (2) compression arms and (4) alignment's and (4) new tires since 1/25/03. Totally unacceptable if you ask me - this isn't a "abused" car.

I'm going to scan the alignment spec's and post them tomorrow.

Good luck and I'll keep everyone posted.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 05:04 PM
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My build date was 12/02 and I thought the problems had been fixed by then.... Nope
My build date was 3/03 and I have the same issues and have filed for the LL
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 07:15 AM
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i am currently debating whether or not to get the drifting issue addressed. i have heard different stories, some saying it is worse post tsb because of the wheel not be straight afterward and one gentleman saying that his car even started drifting to the left. my question is it worth getting the drifting tsb done? if not done, does it accelerate the tire feathering? my drifting is very minimal, and if it does not neccessarily accelerate the feathering i wont do it if it means i keep my steering wheel cosmetically in the correct position. oh yeah i have heard that some people if not everyone had to pay for that tsb, something beween 100 and 200 bucks, is this so? If it is, why isnt it warrantied? my car just rolled over 16k. Thanks for the help>
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 07:22 AM
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Well, I could not get my dealer to give me new tires so I am going to go ahead purchase new ones. Can anyone give me some advice on some good tires to purchase to replace the feathering tires?
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by grifferjr
i am currently debating whether or not to get the drifting issue addressed. i have heard different stories, some saying it is worse post tsb because of the wheel not be straight afterward and one gentleman saying that his car even started drifting to the left. my question is it worth getting the drifting tsb done? if not done, does it accelerate the tire feathering? my drifting is very minimal, and if it does not neccessarily accelerate the feathering i wont do it if it means i keep my steering wheel cosmetically in the correct position. oh yeah i have heard that some people if not everyone had to pay for that tsb, something beween 100 and 200 bucks, is this so? If it is, why isnt it warrantied? my car just rolled over 16k. Thanks for the help>
This was one of the first problems that I brought to my dealership. I did not pay to get this TSB completed. The tech decided to change out my front tires arguing that this is the reason of the drifting. Personally I think it's an issue that shouldn't be taken lightly. I just think that if it doesn't get fixed it might get worse to where you're constantly battling with the steering wheel to keep it straight.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by only1
Well, I could not get my dealer to give me new tires so I am going to go ahead purchase new ones. Can anyone give me some advice on some good tires to purchase to replace the feathering tires?
You can't get them to replace your tires without you paying for them? I would probably call NIssan on this. It's a comon occurance at this point for the dealership or Nissan to repalce your tires at their expense.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 07:34 AM
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I had the TSB done around 14k and they didn't charge me for it. Of course, my tires were so worn at that point that even after swapping, the noise was still incredibly loud. The car felt better after the alignment and the compression rod change. However, now I'm at 17k and the car seems to be pulling to the right again and I get a really weird vibratrion that starts around 70mph and increases in intensity through 85mph. I haven't taken it faster than that in a long time since the cops seem to be everywhere lately. I really don't need a ticket. The tires were just computer balanced so I don't think it's that. All I can think of is the alignment issue.

I wrote a several page e-mail to my service manager outlining all of the problems (about 9-10; you name it-I've got it) with the car, what they have done so far, what's worked and what is still an outstanding issue. I told him to contact me when they formulate a plan of attack to fix them all, and I'll give them the car for as long as they want. If they can't fix it, I can guarantee that it's not their fault but NNA's. This service department rocks but they will only be able to do so much. So, I told him that I would persue legal courses of action against NNA if the repairs don't work. I have had the car since the end of May 03 and it's been in the shop around 15 times so far. I'd say that's well more than 30 man hours of repair in less than a year.

I haven't heard back yet, followed-up with a voicemail to the service manager and to my service consultant. I'll let everyone know what happens.


Originally posted by grifferjr
i am currently debating whether or not to get the drifting issue addressed. i have heard different stories, some saying it is worse post tsb because of the wheel not be straight afterward and one gentleman saying that his car even started drifting to the left. my question is it worth getting the drifting tsb done? if not done, does it accelerate the tire feathering? my drifting is very minimal, and if it does not neccessarily accelerate the feathering i wont do it if it means i keep my steering wheel cosmetically in the correct position. oh yeah i have heard that some people if not everyone had to pay for that tsb, something beween 100 and 200 bucks, is this so? If it is, why isnt it warrantied? my car just rolled over 16k. Thanks for the help>
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 07:41 AM
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i have had the tire feathering issue already addressed. the dealer gave me new fronts, a harder compound than the crappy original birdges 040, but have kept the rears on cause they are fine. i bought this car used at 11k and by the time we noticed the tires, they were shot. now with the tires replaced it does very well, very minimal drifting. to my knowledge though the compression rod tsb was never done. so thats my question, is it worth having done? if it doesnt prolong tire wear then i wont have it done cause of the problems i have heard with the steering wheel. much in the same way am i not having the window grease done cause of all the problems with t he door afterward that i have read about on these threads.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 08:56 AM
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Well they performed the tsb and did the tire swap but the tires were already shot. They told me I should go to Bridgestone to try to get new tires as they would not replace them. I also filed a claim with the NNA but they gave me the same bull**** as they even tried to tell me that all sports cars had loud tires :-/
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by only1
Well they performed the tsb and did the tire swap but the tires were already shot. They told me I should go to Bridgestone to try to get new tires as they would not replace them. I also filed a claim with the NNA but they gave me the same bull**** as they even tried to tell me that all sports cars had loud tires :-/
Find another dealership if possible. I went from one dealership that didn't want to perform the TSB because they didn't want to be liable for "possibly scratching the wheels" to a dealership that ordered new fronts as soon as they saw my tires and said the wheels would be replaced if scratched.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 09:06 AM
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So does anyone know what is going on with this. I took my car in the other day to get the alignment worked on, and the mechanic was like dude, you need new tires up front cause it was making a hell of a lot of noise. I also need back tires but I do not think they will replace them.

The dealer is not working with me, so what else can I do about this? Anyone have a phone number where I can call and complain about this problem? Anybody in the MD/VA/DC area that have had this problem taken care of and if so what dealer are you going to?

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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 09:34 AM
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Pass that on to my wife would ya.

I swear, if I hadn't fallen and broken my wrist - I think my wife would have done it for me over this 350z....

Update:
Well, I drove her hard all weekend and I'm 50/50 on the drifting to the right. So I'm going to keep on driving and when I get the cast off in a few weeks - I hope to be able to feel the wheel better w/ my left hand. The BBB is going to call me again on 2/7 for a follow up.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by only1
Well, I could not get my dealer to give me new tires so I am going to go ahead purchase new ones. Can anyone give me some advice on some good tires to purchase to replace the feathering tires?
From what ive read on the tires sites and feedback ive gotten from other Z freaks, the Michelin Pilot Sports or Pilot sport A/S woueld be a good buy.
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 01:11 PM
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Hello all..Got rid of my Z a while back..I just wanted to see if they fixed the Tire issues yet..Looks like they still have not fixed the problem..as always------>NISSAN
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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 04:00 PM
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Hello all..Got rid of my Z a while back..I just wanted to see if they fixed the Tire issues yet..Looks like they still have not fixed the problem..as always------>NISSAN
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