Conceyted. I agree with you. But the irony is his PARAGRAPH's where better written than yours..

 

I don't believe my paragraph had any reason to be separated into multiple paragraphs. Every sentence in the paragraph pertains to every other and it flows as it should. Perhaps you would be better off finding something constructive to post rather than trying to nitpick my grammar.

 

Isn't that exaclty what you just did to the post above you? **** relax tough guy. I was agreeing with you.

 

I nitpicked while replying to his questions. My post was constructive. Your post? Not so much.

Oh, and I am relaxed

 

No? I agreed with your point did I not? Geezs champ.. Go rub one out or something.. Get ya mind off things.

 

Okay, well maybe you did Sorry it's been a rough morning. My apologies.

 

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Hardly, the majority of my posts are quite informative and I've been around here for quite some time.

 

Sense of humor = sorely lacking.

 

Sorry, I figured smilies would lighten the mood. It's pretty hard to convey feelings over the internet.

 

Can't we all get along?

 

Well, you did pick a good/accurate screen name.

 

group hug!

 

Probably.. But with no updates in this thread.. What else do we have to do?

 

Sorry about my spelling, I was typing during my Java class while trying to do my java. Didn’t work so well.

I understand, even with the Z32 how long did it take for Ashz to produce a tunable program without sending the ecu off someplace. A long time is the correct answer, why b/c he had to do it 100% by himself for the most part to get away from spending 700 dollars on logging software. I’m just don’t get it, for ls1 you have ls1 edit, and other hand held tuners. But for the Z you can send it off to get flashed and they can change everything they want. Why not give Us, the end user this tool? That is the question, all we are getting with this product is less downtime. That’s it, worth it? Sure, but that’s only if you plan on staying N/A. And I for one, (im sure they are others) am not. So you will still need to take it to them for the tune. So the benifit is where, in this situation? Sure we can log and make sure things are in check, but what if they are not? Send them the log and wait for it to be fixed.

My feeling, coming from a much cheaper world of tuning/building dsms, is that most of the improvement comes from a group rather than a few select shops. The shop or person starts the idea and other perfect it and help the community. Problems a shop can't figure out, maybe someone here can and share with more people. But without giving us the tools to diagnose and correct problems, we are forced to keep spending 700 dollars for a logging software with the ability to upload pre-set maps from a tuner. (Which is cool but at the same time not so much).

Im just saying the ability to fine tune these ecu's is out there and its in hands of a select few who for some reason wont let the average user attempt it. Be if for profit or just think we can't handle tuning our own cars, I don’t know. That’s what bugs me. I can look at a log and say something is right here, let’s add some fuel and see what happens or bump timing and see. But we can’t "yet", just bugs me that on the other end of this they are doing the same thing just wont give is the chance.

 

Because the current ECU programmers are an abbreviated form for tuning professionals and would be difficult for end users to use. They don't have many of the safeguards that an end-user tool needs to have for safety. End users constantly blowing up their engines might be bad for business.

Osiris gives us significantly less downtime, plus it removes the need to remove the ECU and mail it away. Saving a week or more in time is quite a gain... so is eliminating the need to actually remove and reinstall the ECU from the car. Plus, your vehicle isn't imobilized for the time period while the ECU is traveling in the mail.

Totally agree... But someone has to develop these tools for us to use. Since developing these tools is not trivial, the inventor will usually want to recover their cost of developing the tool and make a profit.

You only have to purchase Osiris once for one car. UpRev will make additional ROM maps for you at no charge. UpRev has even agreed to upgrade all Osiris users to the real time tuning version once it is released.

What you are suggesting will happen once the real time tuner code is added to Osiris. UpRev is currently the only company working on an end-user tuning program for the 350Z and G35. (As far as I know.)

The programs required to program ECUs is out there for Beta testing. It's not ready for release yet. These programs have the ability to kill an ECU when used improperly. It is important to have everything working correctly and have the proper safeguards in place before releasing the software to the public.

Additionally, these are to be commercial programs. No company would give their intellectual property away for free. They are spending money to create this software, they deserve to recover the costs and make a profit.

You'll just have to wait a bit. I think the UpRev guys are close to releasing their software, but I don't have any special information...

 

I have killed my ecu 3 times with the beta software. But honeslty i think it was a charging problem. The beta is easy to use, far easier that a utec.

 

As for SilverTrack03, you can use Osiris to manage once you move to FI. They are using it to control a greddy setup right now.

 

Have you been able to bring it back with the Osiris software or have you had to send it out to UpRev?

I killed mine once with the original version of Osiris. Now I have a backup... just in case.

 

This might be a dumb question, but I figure it's worth a shot. Right now I live up at 6000+ FT MSL, and obviously these maps are set up for a much lower altitude. So is it possible to change the AFR's or something to compensate? Obviously without FI it's impossible for me to get the same amount of O2 in my motor compared to someone at sea level, but maybe the right AFR would help. I guess I'm asking Jared this question, but anyone that wants to put in their .02 cents would be greatly appreciated. Thanks