New NASA Class for 2012: Spec Z
Good link to cooler discussion and pics of two versions of my install...
http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic....57132&start=20
Talk to this guy about the proper cooler and fan pack:
excerpts of a email conversation with a Tech at Setrab:
From: Marv Beals [mailto:marv@setrabusa.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Evans, John
Cc: zac; Brad Hubiak
Subject: Re: Question: can Setrab Oil coolers be mounted in any orientation?
good info! the cooler you have...50-625-7612...is a bit larger than I would ordinarily suggest for the application you indicate. It'll be fine but note: our coolers are very non-restrictive by design...your gpm will be fairly low and mounting such a large cooler with ports down may mean that the oil can enter/exit the cooler before completely filling. Optimally, we'd put you in a 50-616-7612 or smaller...or a multi-pass cooler. We'd make such recommendation in order to ensure the oil's exposure to the entire internal surface area of the oil cooler. In this instance, since you already have the -25 row unit, I'd recommend either placing the ports at the top of the installed cooler or if the ports are on the side, enter the bottom/exit the top.
Go well,
Marv Beals
OK, guys so I'm plalnning on making my first HPDE experience at Road Atlanta in June and since my plans are to turn into SpecZ, I'm going to keep the brakes to specs. Since I'm not running slicks, I'm thinking of doing like Hawk HPS+ or Carbotech XP8. Since the rules are to use blanks, I was looking at Centric and EBC rotors. Do you guys know the differences between the two? I'm going to be keeping them aside as my track sets and would like a set that will last a good bit with a good heat dispersion.
Last edited by Taereek43; Apr 20, 2013 at 07:40 AM.
Agreed, the difference between the XP8 and XP10 doesn't seem to be as great as XP10 and XP12. If you are going to get track pads go ahead and get the XP10 all around. The HPS+ pads will be gone in one, maybe 2 sessions.
This the pump I use http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?tp...action=product
Good link to cooler discussion and pics of two versions of my install...
http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic....57132&start=20
Talk to this guy about the proper cooler and fan pack:
excerpts of a email conversation with a Tech at Setrab:
From: Marv Beals [mailto:marv@setrabusa.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Evans, John
Cc: zac; Brad Hubiak
Subject: Re: Question: can Setrab Oil coolers be mounted in any orientation?
good info! the cooler you have...50-625-7612...is a bit larger than I would ordinarily suggest for the application you indicate. It'll be fine but note: our coolers are very non-restrictive by design...your gpm will be fairly low and mounting such a large cooler with ports down may mean that the oil can enter/exit the cooler before completely filling. Optimally, we'd put you in a 50-616-7612 or smaller...or a multi-pass cooler. We'd make such recommendation in order to ensure the oil's exposure to the entire internal surface area of the oil cooler. In this instance, since you already have the -25 row unit, I'd recommend either placing the ports at the top of the installed cooler or if the ports are on the side, enter the bottom/exit the top.
Go well,
Marv Beals
Good link to cooler discussion and pics of two versions of my install...
http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic....57132&start=20
Talk to this guy about the proper cooler and fan pack:
excerpts of a email conversation with a Tech at Setrab:
From: Marv Beals [mailto:marv@setrabusa.com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Evans, John
Cc: zac; Brad Hubiak
Subject: Re: Question: can Setrab Oil coolers be mounted in any orientation?
good info! the cooler you have...50-625-7612...is a bit larger than I would ordinarily suggest for the application you indicate. It'll be fine but note: our coolers are very non-restrictive by design...your gpm will be fairly low and mounting such a large cooler with ports down may mean that the oil can enter/exit the cooler before completely filling. Optimally, we'd put you in a 50-616-7612 or smaller...or a multi-pass cooler. We'd make such recommendation in order to ensure the oil's exposure to the entire internal surface area of the oil cooler. In this instance, since you already have the -25 row unit, I'd recommend either placing the ports at the top of the installed cooler or if the ports are on the side, enter the bottom/exit the top.
Go well,
Marv Beals
Group C race from 4/14/13:
OK, guys so I'm plalnning on making my first HPDE experience at Road Atlanta in June and since my plans are to turn into SpecZ, I'm going to keep the brakes to specs. Since I'm not running slicks, I'm thinking of doing like Hawk HPS+ or Carbotech XP8. Since the rules are to use blanks, I was looking at Centric and EBC rotors. Do you guys know the differences between the two? I'm going to be keeping them aside as my track sets and would like a set that will last a good bit with a good heat dispersion.
Please take any further track talk to another thread, instead of the SpecZ-specific thread.
I'm grabbing some parts from a wrecked Nismo (body panels) for my 2004 spec Z. The owner is also offering up the body dampers as well but I'm not sure they would benefit a car with a cage. Has anyone added them or have an opinion on whether they might be worth the extra $ and hassle to install?
This is the description from Nismo... Even if the car body is reinforced and made more rigid, road surface input through the tires and load shifts during cornering make the entire body act like a spring, causing the occurrence of micro vibrations. The performance damper acts to control the transmission of micro vibrations to the body. During circuit driving, micro vibrations from the car body are transmitted through the steering system to the driver, resulting too often in unnecessary steering corrections. With the performance damper installed, however these micro vibrations are eliminated and excessive steering wheel handling is no longer needed, resulting in more stable handling.
This is the description from Nismo... Even if the car body is reinforced and made more rigid, road surface input through the tires and load shifts during cornering make the entire body act like a spring, causing the occurrence of micro vibrations. The performance damper acts to control the transmission of micro vibrations to the body. During circuit driving, micro vibrations from the car body are transmitted through the steering system to the driver, resulting too often in unnecessary steering corrections. With the performance damper installed, however these micro vibrations are eliminated and excessive steering wheel handling is no longer needed, resulting in more stable handling.
I'm grabbing some parts from a wrecked Nismo (body panels) for my 2004 spec Z. The owner is also offering up the body dampers as well but I'm not sure they would benefit a car with a cage. Has anyone added them or have an opinion on whether they might be worth the extra $ and hassle to install?
This is the description from Nismo... Even if the car body is reinforced and made more rigid, road surface input through the tires and load shifts during cornering make the entire body act like a spring, causing the occurrence of micro vibrations. The performance damper acts to control the transmission of micro vibrations to the body. During circuit driving, micro vibrations from the car body are transmitted through the steering system to the driver, resulting too often in unnecessary steering corrections. With the performance damper installed, however these micro vibrations are eliminated and excessive steering wheel handling is no longer needed, resulting in more stable handling.
This is the description from Nismo... Even if the car body is reinforced and made more rigid, road surface input through the tires and load shifts during cornering make the entire body act like a spring, causing the occurrence of micro vibrations. The performance damper acts to control the transmission of micro vibrations to the body. During circuit driving, micro vibrations from the car body are transmitted through the steering system to the driver, resulting too often in unnecessary steering corrections. With the performance damper installed, however these micro vibrations are eliminated and excessive steering wheel handling is no longer needed, resulting in more stable handling.
Last edited by scotts300; Apr 22, 2013 at 09:29 AM.
Ran my first race with the car this past weekend with NASANE at NJMP Lightning.
Did the test n tune Friday which helped get the car sorted a bit more. Since LRP we added a brake bias controller. We choose the lever controller from Tilton and have it set up so we can adjust each rear wheel individually. The levers are mounted where the master cylinder is located.
Practice session #3 saw me run wide out of T1. I came in to have the car looked at. The brass T-fitting for the oil pressure sender unit broke. A quick trip to the parts store and 30min later she was back up and running.
Saturday, race day, I'm the only Spec Z there. Based on my times I'm moved to thunder. During qualifying I go off in T7. I come in and the grid marshal looks over the car and says I'm good. I go back out and again go off in T7. I had what felt like no front brakes, but my pedal was fine. Go back in and the same oil fitting broke. We remove the oil pressure sender unit and just run the temp sensor. Bad thing is was 5 sec slower than practice and qualified 39th out of 45 cars.
We get the car fixed and I'm able to start the race. Got some great video that I need to edit and upload, but I was able to finish 23rd.
Sunday I request to be moved to Lightning since that's where Spec Z runs. I make a brake bias adjustment and qualify 4th matching Fridays Practice times. During the race the car feels good, the tires got greasy but I was able to improve .2 seconds.
The added weight from last year makes tire management a must. We had the car scaled and with me in it, its at 3505lb. I know I can lose 100lbs. But the last thing I want is to accidentally come in under weight.
The car ran well. I wish it was lighter as that would help tire wear.
There's more changes to be made and improved upon.
All in all it was a good weekend. I just wish I had spec z-s to run against
Did the test n tune Friday which helped get the car sorted a bit more. Since LRP we added a brake bias controller. We choose the lever controller from Tilton and have it set up so we can adjust each rear wheel individually. The levers are mounted where the master cylinder is located.
Practice session #3 saw me run wide out of T1. I came in to have the car looked at. The brass T-fitting for the oil pressure sender unit broke. A quick trip to the parts store and 30min later she was back up and running.
Saturday, race day, I'm the only Spec Z there. Based on my times I'm moved to thunder. During qualifying I go off in T7. I come in and the grid marshal looks over the car and says I'm good. I go back out and again go off in T7. I had what felt like no front brakes, but my pedal was fine. Go back in and the same oil fitting broke. We remove the oil pressure sender unit and just run the temp sensor. Bad thing is was 5 sec slower than practice and qualified 39th out of 45 cars.
We get the car fixed and I'm able to start the race. Got some great video that I need to edit and upload, but I was able to finish 23rd.
Sunday I request to be moved to Lightning since that's where Spec Z runs. I make a brake bias adjustment and qualify 4th matching Fridays Practice times. During the race the car feels good, the tires got greasy but I was able to improve .2 seconds.
The added weight from last year makes tire management a must. We had the car scaled and with me in it, its at 3505lb. I know I can lose 100lbs. But the last thing I want is to accidentally come in under weight.
The car ran well. I wish it was lighter as that would help tire wear.
There's more changes to be made and improved upon.
All in all it was a good weekend. I just wish I had spec z-s to run against
Ran my first race with the car this past weekend with NASANE at NJMP Lightning.
Did the test n tune Friday which helped get the car sorted a bit more. Since LRP we added a brake bias controller. We choose the lever controller from Tilton and have it set up so we can adjust each rear wheel individually. The levers are mounted where the master cylinder is located.
Practice session #3 saw me run wide out of T1. I came in to have the car looked at. The brass T-fitting for the oil pressure sender unit broke. A quick trip to the parts store and 30min later she was back up and running.
Saturday, race day, I'm the only Spec Z there. Based on my times I'm moved to thunder. During qualifying I go off in T7. I come in and the grid marshal looks over the car and says I'm good. I go back out and again go off in T7. I had what felt like no front brakes, but my pedal was fine. Go back in and the same oil fitting broke. We remove the oil pressure sender unit and just run the temp sensor. Bad thing is was 5 sec slower than practice and qualified 39th out of 45 cars.
We get the car fixed and I'm able to start the race. Got some great video that I need to edit and upload, but I was able to finish 23rd.
Sunday I request to be moved to Lightning since that's where Spec Z runs. I make a brake bias adjustment and qualify 4th matching Fridays Practice times. During the race the car feels good, the tires got greasy but I was able to improve .2 seconds.
The added weight from last year makes tire management a must. We had the car scaled and with me in it, its at 3505lb. I know I can lose 100lbs. But the last thing I want is to accidentally come in under weight.
The car ran well. I wish it was lighter as that would help tire wear.
There's more changes to be made and improved upon.
All in all it was a good weekend. I just wish I had spec z-s to run against
Did the test n tune Friday which helped get the car sorted a bit more. Since LRP we added a brake bias controller. We choose the lever controller from Tilton and have it set up so we can adjust each rear wheel individually. The levers are mounted where the master cylinder is located.
Practice session #3 saw me run wide out of T1. I came in to have the car looked at. The brass T-fitting for the oil pressure sender unit broke. A quick trip to the parts store and 30min later she was back up and running.
Saturday, race day, I'm the only Spec Z there. Based on my times I'm moved to thunder. During qualifying I go off in T7. I come in and the grid marshal looks over the car and says I'm good. I go back out and again go off in T7. I had what felt like no front brakes, but my pedal was fine. Go back in and the same oil fitting broke. We remove the oil pressure sender unit and just run the temp sensor. Bad thing is was 5 sec slower than practice and qualified 39th out of 45 cars.
We get the car fixed and I'm able to start the race. Got some great video that I need to edit and upload, but I was able to finish 23rd.
Sunday I request to be moved to Lightning since that's where Spec Z runs. I make a brake bias adjustment and qualify 4th matching Fridays Practice times. During the race the car feels good, the tires got greasy but I was able to improve .2 seconds.
The added weight from last year makes tire management a must. We had the car scaled and with me in it, its at 3505lb. I know I can lose 100lbs. But the last thing I want is to accidentally come in under weight.
The car ran well. I wish it was lighter as that would help tire wear.
There's more changes to be made and improved upon.
All in all it was a good weekend. I just wish I had spec z-s to run against
Slightly off topic but how long are the XP12s lasting you guys who run them? I ran a set on my 370Z and absolutely loved them but they barely lasted 4 cold track days (2 road atlanta 2.5 mid-ohio). My in progress SpecZ car has XP10/XP8s on it now and those seem to last forever (and keeps costs down as a result) but it feels like a big step down in braking compared to XP12s.



